da_krall Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) It simply does to much damage, it easily does twice the damage of any other classes 1.5 second cast, adds a debuff and ontop of that they get to walk around in heavy armour with masses of HP. It seems totally out of wack with the rest of the powers in the game. Edited January 23, 2012 by da_krall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixxkruppel Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcend Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 1) Look at your classes "abilites" tab. 2) Find the skill that interupts channeled abilities. 3) Bind it. 4) ??????? 5) Profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurV Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Interrupt range = 5m. Grav range =30m. Profit? lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealBoz Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 It simply does to much damage, it easily does twice the damage of any other classes 1.5 second cast, adds a debuff and ontop of that they get to walk around in heavy armour with masses of HP. It seems totally out of wack with the rest of the powers in the game. Your arguments are solid and irrefuteable, your examples varied and your facts undisputable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSemaj Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Fireballs hurt? NEW CONCEPT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solonius Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Agreed. Tracer Missle is the ultimate easy button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkOpinion Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 No... It can be interrupted, it requires you to stand still, the timer gets knockback when hit. and its the primary dps path for merc, think of it like combo points, mercs need to do it 3-4 times before cycling unload or other moves etc. And mercs need heavy armor, thier basically stationary turrets for most of the good moves 1v1 its pretty bad to spam tracer, you get laid into, knocked down, and whatever melee classes full dps on you. merc+1-3v whatever then its good, if you leave the merc alone, `course it`ll hurt, their a dps class. its like wailing on a tank with a healer standing next to him, stupid.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transcend Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Interrupt range = 5m. Grav range =30m. Profit? lol. I should've added a step for "get in range" for melee classes, my apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkOpinion Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Agreed. Tracer Missle is the ultimate easy button. then your a terrible 50 guardian if you cant force jump a merc, interupt his derp spam, and start slapping him. watch his dps fall as you harass him, or stand there looking at him and take it up the *** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingzeron Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I should've added a step for "get in range" for melee classes, my apologies. You have no clue at all. By the time you get there as a melee, you have been CCed, stunned or knockbacked. Keep it realistic, ******* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSemaj Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) You have no clue at all. By the time you get there as a melee, you have been CCed, stunned or knockbacked. Keep it realistic, ******* And by that time, they have blown their CC, stun, and knockback. Are you being healed? If the answer is NO, you're already doing it wrong and get what you deserve. If the answer is YES, then you're still alive so run back to them and proceed to stomp them into the pavement. Big Hint for the Newbies: Charge is -NOT- supposed to be your OPENING attack! Get in range by running. Edited January 23, 2012 by LordSemaj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenon-se Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 If this had been fantasy, then Mercs would have been Mages. Tracer Missiles would have been spells (they are tech attacks that cannot be dodged or blocked etc). In fantasy games, leaving a nuker to.. well.. nuke. Is generally a bad thing. Tracer Missile spec can't get away from melee and they can't keep using tracer missiles when being hit / interrupted. But I fear sorcs more. They are mobile and got lots of CC. Good sorc players are very hard to deal with. Tracer Missile spam is really easy to play "good enough" even for a bad player. The threshold to play decent-good with tracer missiles is low. A bad player vs a bad tracer missile will probably fall in tracer missile favor. A good player vs a good tracer missile will probably stacked against the tracer missile. Sorc got a higher skill threshold i'd say. The skill needed to play decent-good with sorc dps is high. A bad player vs a bad sorc will be pretty balanced or maybe even stacked against the sorc. A good player vs a good sorc will be in sorc favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RycheMykola Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 It simply does to much damage, it easily does twice the damage of any other classes 1.5 second cast, adds a debuff and ontop of that they get to walk around in heavy armour with masses of HP. It seems totally out of wack with the rest of the powers in the game. I can solve your nerf idea by telling you not to go afk in WZ's. If you are letting a Merc get off multiple tracer missiles, well, you're bad. If tracer missile was an instant cast, it would be a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solonius Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I don't have a problem with killing the player or interrupting the ability. Its just overpowered, thats all. Most of them just sit in the middle of the map and spam it for their DPS numbers, while my team is busy winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RycheMykola Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Most of them just sit in the middle of the map and spam it for their DPS numbers, while my team is busy winning. Let them get there damage #'s higher up, I'd gladly take the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
athenabadb Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Is how the pros play, most just key bind Seeker or grav round to all key bindings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mamm Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 pfftfftfftfft i can use pyrotech build and have same results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da_krall Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) No... It can be interrupted, it requires you to stand still, the timer gets knockback when hit. and its the primary dps path for merc, think of it like combo points, mercs need to do it 3-4 times before cycling unload or other moves etc. And mercs need heavy armor, thier basically stationary turrets for most of the good moves 1v1 its pretty bad to spam tracer, you get laid into, knocked down, and whatever melee classes full dps on you. merc+1-3v whatever then its good, if you leave the merc alone, `course it`ll hurt, their a dps class. its like wailing on a tank with a healer standing next to him, stupid.. Every cast can be interupted, gets knockback when hit and requires you to stand still. Tracer still does easily twice that of any other cast of the same duration. As the disrupts, lockout is 4 seconds, given server lag, it probably gives you enough time to get two of your own abilities in before they can spam missle again. Basically looking at the speed merc and commando rush to defend their OP power is all the evidence needed. Everyone knows its OP. Edited January 23, 2012 by da_krall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlacke Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 (edited) Another whining, QQ thread. I know many people who don't have any problem with Commandos and Mercenaries and their respective abilities, therefore aren't complaining on the forums. Maybe you should adjust your approach when confronted with these classes? Edited January 23, 2012 by Vlacke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da_krall Posted January 23, 2012 Author Share Posted January 23, 2012 Tracer Missile spam is really easy to play "good enough" even for a bad player. The threshold to play decent-good with tracer missiles is low. A bad player vs a bad tracer missile will probably fall in tracer missile favor. A good player vs a good tracer missile will probably stacked against the tracer missile. Nice attempt to insult anyone who claims this is an OP skill by saying good players can stop it....nice divert of attention. Merc sill have other damaging options, its simply that tracer is to powerful for what it is meant to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solonius Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Let them get there damage #'s higher up, I'd gladly take the win. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearlessTeapot Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I wish they would change Tracer Missiles, simply because the play style is boring to me. There is very little variety or skill involved in it, simply run in range and press one hotkey several times to initiate your 1.5 sec spell, hoping you don't get focused, interrupted. or LOSd. After X number of keypresses, if your opponent is still in range you can press 1 or 2 other hotkeys. Ex-cit-ing. You get a long CD stun, and an AOE Knockback as your control, which doesn't take you very far, so any attention at all simply has you running for dear life. Melee class? Here's how you win. Initiate combat, get stunned. Trinket, get Knockbacked. Charge, win. If he initiates you, LOS him, wait for him to come around the corner, win. Alternate: Charge, get stunned. Trinket, get Knockbacked. Snare/Force Speed/Stun/Intercept/Whatever secondary CC you have, win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlacke Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Nice attempt to insult anyone who claims this is an OP skill by saying good players can stop it....nice divert of attention. Merc sill have other damaging options, its simply that tracer is to powerful for what it is meant to be. Tracer is just fine, the entire tree is built around that skill, learn to play maybe? If you allow Mercenary/Commando to lash out on you from distance you are dead and thats how it should be honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkOpinion Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Every cast can be interupted, gets knockback when hit and requires you to stand still. Tracer still does easily twice that of any other cast of the same duration. As the disrupts, lockout is 4 seconds, given server lag, it probably gives you enough time to get two of your own abilities in before they can spam missle again. Basically looking at the speed merc and commando rush to defend their OP power is all the evidence needed. Everyone knows its OP. Or, everyone thinks your a idiot and comes here to flame you, and fyi im a sorcerer. If a merc gets left alone to spam tracer missile 3-4 times, note the number, and then cycles to skills doing more dps, then hes doing well. If said merc gets chased after and moves away, hes also doing well If a merc spams tracer missile and stands still, hes *********** terrible, hes not getting the best dps out of his class. and hes asking for a spanking. Routinely see stealthers going for derp spammers aswell, because they know how bad said players are, so basically, if you let a merc spam tracer, which isnt his best dps path to being with. Your doing it wrong, and so is your team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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