Kabloosh Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I don't think anyone will ever top Blizzard for worst MMO mistakes, except for maybe APB. I played a fire mage in Vanilla. "Oh lets do Molten Core!" "Ok cool!" "Oh wait everything in the instance is immune to me." They were following an model based off of MMOs of the time. MMOs back then weren't exactly geared towards your average gamer. People who played MMOs expected to be killing a thousand boars to gain a level or spend 5 hours in 1 dungeon. Things have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_magic Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Would Asia be in the red? Meaning they had to order from amazon or ebay out of their country? I dont know if its officially released in Asia. Asked same question, they getting it from some websites and and ebay. Amazingly, its officialy getting banned for " fraud advertisement " and I really /salut the law there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHeadCapper Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 "How in the world could any of the Devs have played an MMO before when they made it like this?" Still wondering. Likely on a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHeadCapper Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Asked same question, they getting it from some websites and and ebay. Amazingly, its officialy getting banned for " fraud advertisement " and I really /salut the law there. Citation please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisar Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Likely on a computer. lol..you are quite the funnyman Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenrishero Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 No, no. This game isn't the worst MMO mistake ever. It's beaten Tabula Rasa. That game lasted a month. It might pass Hellgate: London, which made it two months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamilek Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Haters will always hate so why you all dont quit?!?! I can say only 1 thing: Patch Update 1.1 makes imporvement today maintenance as well. Future Option contest what BW present on movie makes me happy and want to say only one: Thank You BioWare All WoW players go back to your funny WoW. SWTOR will never be like WoW and I would quit it When that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuraBob_Fl Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 They were following an model based off of MMOs of the time. MMOs back then weren't exactly geared towards your average gamer. People who played MMOs expected to be killing a thousand boars to gain a level or spend 5 hours in 1 dungeon. Things have changed. That was just one example. In Wrath I'd get these awesome new tier pieces, and then compare them to what I had on. They'd actually be downgrades because of all the wasted hit they slathered on plate gear. Oh and once again, "Additional Instances Cannot be Launched at This Time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mormack Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Perfect example of the hype vs the product. Your link is from 2010, his is from this week. But they're both from Massively talking about how an MMO screwed up....SWTOR is fine. Its a little rough around the edges but people have forgotten what an MMO launch is like. They assume all the MMO companies go to each other and tell secrets like Middle School Girls on how to be successful. They don't. Its a lot of Trial and Error. Remember guys...WoW has been dying since day 1 and SWTOR is the same....Might as well start a list similar to this one: What killed WoW? rooftop camping the removal of rooftop camping the lack of honor the implementation of honor the lack of dishonor the implementation of dishonor the removal of dishonor the removal of wall walking rank rewards decaying rank the removal of rank decay the removal of PVP titles Ahn'Qiraj Scourge Invasion Zul'Gurub the cost of mounts the lack of information about TBC all information released about TBC playable Blood Elves playable Draenei Horde Paladins Alliance Shaman flying mounts the timing of the release of TBC the cost of flight, Jewelcrafting the LFG channel holding people accountable to the Terms of Use meeting stones arenas the number of arena teams one player can have arena-based gear rewards the lack of battlegrounds the addition of battlegrounds everything about battlegrounds Illidan being killable Daily quests instance-based reputations the Darkmoon Faire /pizza playable wisps Tinfoil Hat the Armory Warden the lack of information about Wrath all information about Wrath a failure to revamp old world areas the inability to transfer from PVE to PVP servers hero classes siege engines cold weather flying Wintergrasp being a PVP zone death knights the inability to start a new character of any class at 55 or higher the lack of a dance studio character recustomization the inability to change race or faction the cost of mammoths and motorcycles Spirit of Competition the fall damage negation of mammoths and motorcycles the removal of fall damage negation from mammoths and motorcycles the ability to transfer from PVE to PVP servers dual specs Achievements holiday events Mountain Dew Game Fuel streaming Blizzcon ’09 on pay per view the revamping of Onyxia’s Lair Worgen for the Alliance Goblins for the Horde revamped old world areas the ability to change faction the ability to change race new race/class combinations purchasable vanity pets Icecrown Citadel cross realm LFG Celestial Steeds the Disenchant option added to Need/Greed combining raid lockouts the initial announcement, then delay, then lack of information, then announcement, of the new X-53 Touring Rocket RAF reward mount the removal of Path of the Titans Archaeology changes to Archaeology the introduction of RealID as an option to the game servers the introduction of RealID as a matter of mandatory disclosure for forum participation as well as weekly maintenance and patches 1.1 through the current one inclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazzerswords Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 LMAO.... Cod clone? Are you kidding me? Please, just quit playing games. auto spotting from firing regnerating health Laser accuracy weapons perks tiny maps with forced choke points EA wanted that COD pie and failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angedechu Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 TOR is a good MMO This said, don't delude yourself. Customer service in the other game is top notch Someone trade tricked me a token in a LFR last friday, and I got it back within 5 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mormack Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 auto spotting from firing regnerating health Laser accuracy weapons perks tiny maps with forced choke points EA wanted that COD pie and failed. I personally love BF3.... but anyway...The Game is a little rough but they are making improvements every patch. Yes they will break things but this is nowhere near as bad as some MMO launches I've been a part of. People need to see that the developers are working and making things smoother. My Framerate doubled yesterday....Progress if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_magic Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) Haters will always hate so why you all dont quit?!?! I can say only 1 thing: Patch Update 1.1 makes imporvement today maintenance as well. Future Option contest what BW present on movie makes me happy and want to say only one: Thank You BioWare All WoW players go back to your funny WoW. SWTOR will never be like WoW and I would quit it When that happens. What ?! it made the game unplayable for thousands including me lol!! Can you play the game with the screen flicking then load screen pop up every few seconds ?! Edited January 20, 2012 by Dark_magic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mormack Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 What ?! it made the game unplayable for thousands including me lol!! Can you play the game with the screen flicking the load screen pop up every few seconds ?! Did you not read today's patch notes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krynos_Pentegarn Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 ... PvP now ruined at level 50 because of ridiculous queue times: clearly it was too early to implement this system, could have also been forseen instead of bowing to the cries of outraged casuals on the forums... TRANSLATION: PvP now ruined at level 50 because I can't beat anyone my level. I need the advantage of a level capped, geared out character to be able to fight the lower level characters of players who have jobs and lives outside the game in order to have a chance at winning a fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricFlea Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Some people really need to calm down. The vast majority of players are still levelling and clearly one of the major goals for 1.1 was to fix the problems that were spoiling the levelling experience. However, by the time 1.2 rolls around the situation will be quite different given the majority of players will be at level 50. If Bioware aren't well on the way to improving end-game and the combat system by that time, the game will fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_magic Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Did you not read today's patch notes/ I did ?? Did it fix the issue ?? No !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortwave Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) All WoW players go back to your funny WoW. SWTOR will never be like WoW and I would quit it When that happens. Funny WoW? Yeah, I guess you trying to get Corso to love you long time is serious business. So have fun grinding your "affection points" since this is likely the only place you'll get them. Oh newsflash: This game is already like WoW, save the talent trees. Those you learn from the bottom up whereas in WoW you learn them from the top down, therefore the talent trees are the opposite of WoW's design. You remind me of a religious person who claims "my religion isn't at all like x religion" Haha - "your book and ideas are borderline plagiarism of older philosophies!" I get a chuckle from these WoWphobic people who were likely addicted to that game just a few months ago. Like most "phobic" people their lines of reasoning are often highly illogical. You closeted, Downlow WoW fanboy -- you probaly have a Blood Elf paladin! Now let me insert an emoticon at the end of this sentence just to drive my point home and to be smug. Edited January 20, 2012 by Shortwave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mormack Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Some people really need to calm down. The vast majority of players are still levelling and clearly one of the major goals for 1.1 was to fix the problems that were spoiling the levelling experience. However, by the time 1.2 rolls around the situation will be quite different given the majority of players will be at level 50. If Bioware aren't well on the way to improving end-game and the combat system by that time, the game will fail. As long as people are buying the game, testing it out, and the game is growing, the majority of players will not be lvl 50....I remember in BC and even in Wrath, Blizzard saying the majority of people were lvling...and that was when the game was still growing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthdoll Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 (edited) auto spotting from firing regnerating health Laser accuracy weapons perks tiny maps with forced choke points EA wanted that COD pie and failed. You forgot Big maps Vehicles Airplanes Bullet drop Respawn on squad Yep, totally copied cod. But, if you knew anything you would know BF came before COD. Edited January 20, 2012 by darthdoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrenath Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Look, You clearly have nobody on the developer team who has plays many (if any) MMOs extensively (or at all). Ilum issues in 1.1 would have been forseen if you properly tested patches prior to implementation. PvP now ruined at level 50 because of ridiculous queue times: clearly it was too early to implement this system, could have also been forseen instead of bowing to the cries of outraged casuals on the forums. Lack of properly functioning raid master loot system, BoP item trading to group/raid members, ability to pass on all items without them DISAPPEARING, multiple specialization trees, etc. would all exist if you had anyone on staff that had a clue what was going on. Customer Support BEYOND HORRIBLE. When there's a bug that affects us personally we get told "Sorry, can't help" Or "Galactic Droid CT2012414 here, thanks for the report it's been forwarded on" always ended by "....masters of customer service". I've been on raids where multiple of the same item from a boss went to the same guy, and GM REFUSED to fix the issue. I've been on a raid where an entire boss was un-lootable, GM REFUSED to fix the issue. Let's not even get started on the terrible technical design flaws in this game that affect performance and stability, the list is already long enough. So were you trying to make a game that wouldn't last a year or do you want to change your policies and start using your heads or, fire whoever is your current 'head', and replace it with someone who knows how an MMO in 2012 should actually function, what players EXPECT from customer support, and what features have come to be not only expected but necessary for an enjoyable user experience? That being said I'm still on the fence on re-subbing: might renew for 30 more days to see if anything gets better, but I definitely might not. Is the customer service sub-par? Yes indeed it is. I take issue with your complaints about PvP, however. The majority of the PvP problems are caused by the players, not BioWare. Players are choosing to exploit the turrets (or were, I don't know if this has been fixed yet). Players are choosing to play empire side in great numbers. I've played both sides extensively and see no real advantage to imperial side over republic. Is it cooler? That's a matter of opinion, not fact. Players are choosing to hang out in Ilum in a giant zergball farming those few poor republic souls foolish enough to venture to Ilum. Queue times for PvP are bad, yep. Why? See the previous point. PvPers LOVE to yell and scream that they want open world, unrestricted PvP. And what do they do when they get it? They do what happened yesterday in Ilum: they will choose to farm and exploit rather than look for real PvP. Queue times are awful because PvPers are CHOOSING to farm and exploit using superior empire numbers rather than engaging in real PvP that they love to claim they so desire. Seems to me that while BioWare made some significant mistakes, the players flatly refuse to take any responsibility for these problems, despite the fact that the griefing, corpse camping, and rampant exploiting was done by them. Does that mean that all PvPers are like this? Of course not. But based on videos from yesterday and the threads from PvPers QQing about the fact that their own community CHOOSES to exploit and farm rather than look for real PvP, it strikes me that they would far rather blame BioWare than take even the slightest responsibility for the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindorin Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 I've been on a raid where an entire boss was un-lootable, GM REFUSED to fix the issue. GM's can't fix that, without going through looooong lines of coding that's reserved for DEVELOPERS and is addressed in PATCHES. I'm sorry you're impatient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trineda Posted January 20, 2012 Share Posted January 20, 2012 Hello everyone! We do appreciate feedback, both positive and negative. However, we do ask that that feedback is constructive. Allison's thread goes into more detail about what we're looking for in feedback and how to make sure your feedback is constructive and helpful. Please take a moment to read through that sticky which can be found here: With that in mind, we're going to go ahead and close the thread. If you have suggestions for the game, we have a fantastic thread for suggestions and encourage you to continue your discussion there. Thank you for understanding and helping us make sure that the forums are as constructive and helpful as possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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