GoldSquadGirl Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I'll take getting camped by 100 imps over Republic players complaining that I interrupt their hand-holding sessions while they swap points with the imps any day. At least now, my faction appreciates me for fighting back. You want balance, fight back. Don't pity the Republic players, pity the imps. There's nothing they can do to find a challenging fight in Ilum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazorous Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 But they can entice us. War they had an RR and exp boost Sure, they could add some incentive... but there's a thin line to be drawn on how to make that work successfully. There's enough QQ for just about everything right now. There's no doubt that any proposed incentive to one faction will produce even greater QQ'ing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelticfury Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 So, get farmed or dont play is your solution? I guess you don't read more than one line before responding. Read it again and you will see where your mistake is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mallorik Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Just quit going to ilum and feeding the zerglings, if everyone did that then it would be the imps here ************ about ilum and bioware would probably listen. If youre here ************ about all the twilight tweens who over populated the empire and made ilum unplayable and you still go to ilum, youre an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myolinyr Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I'll take getting camped by 100 imps over Republic players complaining that I interrupt their hand-holding sessions while they swap points with the imps any day. At least now, my faction appreciates me for fighting back. You want balance, fight back. Don't pity the Republic players, pity the imps. There's nothing they can do to find a challenging fight in Ilum. I <3 you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWImara Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 What did you expect? This is open world pvp. I suspect most people asking for open world pvp to be viable had no idea what open pvp is. This is what is. This does not surprise anyone who has played open pvp before Well said. Its amusing to me that people cried on the forums for a focus on open world PvP and then find themselves unhappy with the result. Now that the spawn camping has been fixed, Ilum is pretty much the definition of open world PvP. Even in a FFA game there would be massive guilds that wtfpwnt people who showed up. I am impressed (deeply impressed) that BW still considers this an issue and is trying to balance something that is 100% player created (faction imbalance). Open World PvP zones are not meant for you to solo around. It is possible, but expect from time to time to run into a zerg. This is NOT world pvp. World pvp would be putting a cap on the number of empire and republic players who can be in the zone at the same time giving equal numbers. Ilum is full right now with 30 republic players and probably 70 empire (assuming the cap is 100). World pvp is something FUN it is NOT being zergged down by a 2+:1 ratio at 5 fps. Wait... says who? What examples do you have of this perfect version of world PVP, because what you are describing is just a big "battleground/warzone/etc" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surter Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 There's only so much they can do about the faction balance issue. On HoG - typically 100-120 Republic players at any given moment on the Republic fleet. Whenever I log over to my Imperial alt - 200-250. Suck it up, play Republic and adapt to overcome. Or, switch sides and run with Team Easy Valor. This is false, and a cop out. There are ABSOLUTELY ways to fix faction imbalance, the first being ratio-contolled Ilum instances. This wouldn't be very difficult to implement, and would - gasp - encourage people to ROLL CHARACTERS ON THE LESS POPULATED SIDE RATHER THAN THE MORE POPULATED SIDE! The second possible fix, if this is too hard, is a population-based buff to allow republic players to take on more sith at a time. If things stay the way they are now, your "adapt or give up" attitude will lead to exactly that: giving up. There is no "adapting" to Imperials camping both sides of your base. There is no "adapting" to 3:1 faction imbalances on Ilum. There is no adapting to the simple fact that Bioware has, with the recent changes to Ilum, made joining the more populous faction MORE attractive, rather than less. That's bad modeling, and it's bad business, and if it isn't fixed, I won't swap to empire - I simply won't renew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superpescado Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This is NOT world pvp. World pvp would be putting a cap on the number of empire and republic players who can be in the zone at the same time giving equal numbers. Ilum is full right now with 30 republic players and probably 70 empire (assuming the cap is 100). World pvp is something FUN it is NOT being zergged down by a 2+:1 ratio at 5 fps. You just described instanced pvp i.e. warzones. open world pvp has no rules. That's kind of what makes it open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWImara Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I'll take getting camped by 100 imps over Republic players complaining that I interrupt their hand-holding sessions while they swap points with the imps any day. At least now, my faction appreciates me for fighting back. You want balance, fight back. Don't pity the Republic players, pity the imps. There's nothing they can do to find a challenging fight in Ilum. A+ for this post. If you demand a fair fight, there are warzones and there will be more warzones. I am sure that the game's designers realize that's what most people want despite what they claim. Hopefully zones like Ilum are allowed to stick around for those who know what world PvP is and enjoy it. If anything maybe rewards should be toned down so those who enjoy warzones don't feel "obligated" to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barakus Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Give the Republic a bonus to Valor and Experience gains. I just fixed your game for you Bioware, I will be waiting for my check in the mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoidJustice Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Why play Empire or Republic? I'm going to be rerolling as New Conglomerate in Planetside 2. If you're serious about PvP you should look into that. After what BioWare has done with SWTOR, I think it's fair to give SOE another chance. jackhammernoob!!! Barney4ever!!! Shazbot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewvin Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Love the Screen shot... Die Republic scum. maturity is strong with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWImara Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 maturity is strong with this one. honestly it made me chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grewvin Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Give the Republic a bonus to Valor and Experience gains. I just fixed your game for you Bioware, I will be waiting for my check in the mail. lol... how would you like your credits? lump sum or monthly paycheck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYzMikey Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Third option: Stop playing badgame. sounds good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maradigamer Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Just quit going to ilum and feeding the zerglings, if everyone did that then it would be the imps here ************ about ilum and bioware would probably listen. If youre here ************ about all the twilight tweens who over populated the empire and made ilum unplayable and you still go to ilum, youre an idiot. I don't know which makes me sadder, your stereotyping of people who play Empire or your assumption that Republic players have to be told not to get farmed in Ilum every day. They'll figure that part out pretty quickly by themselves, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agroovesak Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Most who say they want world pvp actually don't lol. They just want to gank people. This IS open world pvp, you just happen to be the ganked. Just stay in warzones since that is what you actually want. Or arenas, there you would get your fair deathmatch gameplay but we couldn't have that could we. Not arenas oh no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekloffin Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 You mean open world pvp isn't perfectly fair?! Say it isn't so! /sarcasm If you want reasonably fair, that's what the instanced warzones are for. Don't be idiotic and expect fairness in something that in inherently designed to allow the more populous side to have an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hegr Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Take the bike north, and kill the singles running to the zerg. If they are not killing you ON THE REZ PAD, you have options. Yeah. I'm surprised more Reps havent thought of this instead of running into a wall of Imps and QQing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryptorchid Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 For all you people saying Ilum is Open World PvP, I'm sorry, but it isn't. It is essentially a non-player capped Warzone. It forces the smaller faction to fight against the larger faction in certain areas, ensuring that the smaller faction cannot use guerrilla tactics to their advantage. Additionally, the zone SHOWS YOU where enemy players are if they happen to sneak by you. Open up World PvP to actually exist in the World in multiple locations so the larger faction cannot just zerg a single rez pad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xSkynet Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Really, I feel no pity for someone with 17k health, and a caster no less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
va_wanderer Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Hey Bioware guess what you did by making it so they couldn't spawn camp us in our base? The exact thing that I said would happen, they are now simply camping us...OUTSIDE OF OUR BASE! On both sides, there are probably ~20-30 imperials sitting at the central outpost as well preventing any republic from collecting armaments. Good job on the "fix". More of a reason to not pay you on the 21st. The 5-10 fps also doesn't help at all. http://imageshack.us/f/594/screenshot2012011915110.jpg/ Are you being killed the second you respawn, preventing you from escaping the whole sorry mess? No? That's actually an improvement from yesterday. You can see the zerg, know that Ilum is dominated by the other faction, and bug out. Or feed the zerg like a fool. World PvP means a predator-prey relationship, and right now on your server the Republic players are an endangered, tasty species. I applaud the Republic players I heard about today, who apparently decided it'd be more fun to have a dance party in the base while the Imperial zerglings gnashed their teeth hoping for a corpse to dine on just watched. Rise of the Rakghouls indeed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosvidaniya Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yeah. I'm surprised more Reps havent thought of this instead of running into a wall of Imps and QQing. Well, there is a quest in this game requiring 30 "easter eggs" or kills. Amazingly enough, both of those must happen at a conflict area. (Namely, the bases, north, south, or central). You can kill random people while they travel; but amazingly enough, it doesn't count for your quest. So, they can go to the center to get ganked horribly but may get a stupid armament. Alternatively, they can look at the other areas. However, those just have an imp zerg group (as seen here). End result? They have the option to die a lot or leave. They sure aren't going to get the quest done by leaving. So, they sit by the gate and swap kills using ranged attacks and pulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiks Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 This is NOT world pvp. World pvp would be putting a cap on the number of empire and republic players who can be in the zone at the same time giving equal numbers. Ilum is full right now with 30 republic players and probably 70 empire (assuming the cap is 100). World pvp is something FUN it is NOT being zergged down by a 2+:1 ratio at 5 fps. Actually that's exactly what it is. World PvP has always been zerg like. What you are describing is instanced PvP like alterac valley. I said a thousand times this is what would happen if world PvP were made in this game and no one wanted to hear it. It was like this at tarren mill and south shore, crossroads and everywhere else before someone goes of referencing those. Welcome to world PvP kids. Stop asking for it if you don't like it, I swear most people asking for world PvP never even played a game with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leegrisham Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I love the new open world PVP except for my 1 FPS issue when im around the zerg... anyone else have super low frames? I mean it basically makes it impossible to fight for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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