Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 If people rerolled healers or tank then that would fix the ratio also. Yeah you still need 1 tank 1 healer and 2 dps in a flashpoint. You will have alot of difficulty to find a tank to gear up your alt in a flashpoint if everyone reroll an alt to meet the operative ratio (1:2:5) You see more dps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Are you just reading the posts that say its a good idea? People have told you why its a bad idea, I guess your not looking and only want to see what you want. uh no ive played games with the feature so i know it is a good idea to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaegaknight Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 It's clear to me that dual spec AKA the way WoW does it now is the optimal answer for this situation. People who hate WoW simply because it is WoW need not comment, as that perspective isn't sensible. I hate WoW because of what it became after Vanilla/TBC. Because of the type of MMO gamers it has bred. Because it is used as the example for all other MMO's when honestly? It shouldn't be. It has turned into a HORRIBLE game. There's no defending it! I'm sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 so YOU dont want it? and you have no reason why either. so in other words you are in here just to argue just for the sake of it. what is false about people wanting this feature? oh right you cant come up with a answer about it. like many have said dual spec is a "want" You do realize you cut-off part of my post when you hit the quote button, right? And what's with the straw-man? I never said people didn't want the feature. People clearly do. Here's the whole thing again, maybe you'll answer it this time: You didn't answer my question. I'll answer yours. I'd rather not see it added. So I post in threads countering the silly/false reasons those who do want it throw out. Now, will you answer mine? If dual-spec offers no advantage, why are you advocating for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExBrillig Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 uh no ive played games with the feature so i know it is a good idea to begin with. Newsflash - all games are different. Dual spec isn't anything we need for SWTOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 You're right. It does offer an advantage. Against the "pure" classes. Snipers/Marauders come to mind. Buff pure DPS damage and then I'll more than willingly accept the ridiculous utility boost the other classes will get. for the love of god you are NOT 2 specs at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 You're right. It does offer an advantage. Against the "pure" classes. Snipers/Marauders come to mind. Buff pure DPS damage and then I'll more than willingly accept the ridiculous utility boost the other classes will get. It will be interesting to see their reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolil Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Are you just reading the posts that say its a good idea? People have told you why its a bad idea, I guess your not looking and only want to see what you want. Oh, you're talking about all the posts that complain that we'll all be flooded with bad healers? That's the only semi-good argument I've seen against duel specing; and even that is a poor excuse for an argument because, as I've said before, it isn't up to other people what toon you play, only wether or not you make it into their "will group with again" book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Newsflash - all games are different. Dual spec isn't anything we need for SWTOR. yes SWTOR is sooooooooooooooooo different honestly only thing different is you have a storyline for your class everything is easily compared to WoW i mean EVERYTHING Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptor Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I have to say I'am against Dual Specs. Roll an alt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 That tanks are a part of a group doesn't translate into dual-specs are needed. One need to go dps. In some fight 2 tanks is better. Why he should be the only one to pay 100k credits. Do you understand the ratio or not? You need 1 tank, 1 healer and 2 dps in a fashpoint (4 man). You need 1 tank, 2 healers, 5 dps in an operative (8 man) So someone need to respec. The enrage timer make it impossible to have 2 tanks in some fight. Have you done any operative? More I read you more I think you only do some dailies and pvp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 for the love of god you are NOT 2 specs at the same time. He didn't claim that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I have to say I'am against Dual Specs. Roll an alt So the tanks need to roll alt but not the dps. It's fair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaegaknight Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 for the love of god you are NOT 2 specs at the same time. No, but why take a pure DPS class when you can take a DPS sorcerer who can also heal efficiently when necessary? That pure DPS class? Can only DPS. There'd be no need for the Snipers/Marauders of ToR. You might not be healing all the time but the OPTION is powerful. People need to stick to their choices, the roles they want to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 So the tanks need to roll alt but not the dps. It's fair... Sure it's fair. If DPS wants to tank they roll an alt. It all works out in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 He didn't claim that. he pretty much did You're right. It does offer an advantage. Against the "pure" classes. Snipers/Marauders come to mind. Buff pure DPS damage and then I'll more than willingly accept the ridiculous utility boost the other classes will get. read the bold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaegaknight Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 So the tanks need to roll alt but not the dps. It's fair... Yes. It's quite fair, thanks. Because you know what? Tanks and healers get into groups much easier than DPS. There's always a flood of people wanting to do damage(Most of them badly) So the tanks and healers have a much less painful time finding groups for flashpoints or guilds for raids. Fair? Life's not fair. Sorry babe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaegaknight Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 he pretty much did read the bold You're denying that dual spec is a massive boost to a class's utility? If so - you've lost any sort of argument you were trying to have here. Goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guzul Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 No, but why take a pure DPS class when you can take a DPS sorcerer who can also heal efficiently when necessary? That pure DPS class? Can only DPS. There'd be no need for the Snipers/Marauders of ToR. You might not be healing all the time but the OPTION is powerful. People need to stick to their choices, the roles they want to play. So we shouldn't be able to respec at all? What about the tank you need only one time or 2 in 8 raid boss? He switch for an alt or you replace it for the fight you don't need it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaegaknight Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 So we shouldn't be able to respec at all? What about the tank you need only one time or 2 in 8 raid boss? He switch for an alt or you replace it for the fight you don't need it? Oh you should be able to respec. Just not on the fly. That's stupid. So that tank gets both a tank AND a DPS spot? At the same time? You were speaking of unfairness. BAM. You just pointed out an example of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 No, but why take a pure DPS class when you can take a DPS sorcerer who can also heal efficiently when necessary? That pure DPS class? Can only DPS. There'd be no need for the Snipers/Marauders of ToR. You might not be healing all the time but the OPTION is powerful. People need to stick to their choices, the roles they want to play. that makes no sense how i can heal well if im not spec into heals? the dual spec we want you can NOT change during COMBAT you can only be 1 spec not 2 at the same time you can only change it out of combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeda Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yeah you still need 1 tank 1 healer and 2 dps in a flashpoint. You will have alot of difficulty to find a tank to gear up your alt in a flashpoint if everyone reroll an alt to meet the operative ratio (1:2:5) You see more dps. Yeah because when you start doing operations you are going to combine 2 flashpoint groups. And we all know guilds only have 8 people in it and cant have anyone as a backup or a casual raider. But anyways (players a listed a-h with their alts having a 1 next to them) group 1 a-tank b-heal c-dps d-dps group 2 e-tank f-heal g-dps h-dps group 1 a1-dps b1-dps c1-tank d1-heal group2 e1-dps f1-dps g1-tank h1-heal now for any fight you have the ability to have 4 tanks,4 heals,8 dps. You also would not have a problem finding a tank or a healer for you alt group either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surakis Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 he pretty much did read the bold I did, I suggest you re-read it. "Buff pure DPS damage and then I'll more than willingly accept the ridiculous utility boost the other classes will get." Some classes have two options, DPS and Heal or DPS and Tank. Others have DPS or DPS. Dual spec would give those with two different choice a huge utility leg-up (the ability to fill multiple roles in a group) while those classes with only DPS options are pretty much screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
genmyke Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 You're denying that dual spec is a massive boost to a class's utility? If so - you've lost any sort of argument you were trying to have here. Goodbye. so where is this boost i get for being asrenal spec? and healing offspec when needed? las ti check snipers do AMAZING damage your argument is invalid who doesnt want a IA in their OP group for the crit buff? think about it that for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emeda Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Yes. It's quite fair, thanks. Because you know what? Tanks and healers get into groups much easier than DPS. There's always a flood of people wanting to do damage(Most of them badly) So the tanks and healers have a much less painful time finding groups for flashpoints or guilds for raids. Fair? Life's not fair. Sorry babe. If they have such an easy time then why do you need a duel-spec so you can tank or heal instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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