Tristita Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 What's up with that? Three ways to Jump across obsticles isn't enough? I have an idea: Why not just change the rules in Huttball to "If a Jug grabs the ball, automatic point!" Oh wait. You just indirectly did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theballzz Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Its balanced they doint have knockbacks like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belialle Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Its balanced they doint have knockbacks like everyone else. I don't have knockbacks or gap closers. I can only be appeased if BW nerfs everyone but me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristita Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Its balanced they doint have knockbacks like everyone else. Force. Push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurary Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Its balanced they doint have knockbacks like everyone else. Thye have knockbacks. Marauder/Powertech doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonerjohn Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I understand that hutt ball is played on imperial side 95% of the time, but balancing the classes around hutt ball isn't something they should be trying to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auhfel Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong -- All they are doing is letting Force Push reset Force Charge/Jump's CD, yeah? That's hardly a buff at all.. You realize that Force Push is a long-ish CD, and you have to be fairly close to use it -- Great, you can jump one more time than you could before, but you're still going to be kited because the sage/sorc can simply pump out more CC than you can remove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetNausea Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Its balanced they doint have knockbacks like everyone else. Oh God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonerjohn Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong -- All they are doing is letting Force Push reset Force Charge/Jump's CD, yeah? That's hardly a buff at all.. You realize that Force Push is a long-ish CD, and you have to be fairly close to use it -- Great, you can jump one more time than you could before, but you're still going to be kited because the sage/sorc can simply pump out more CC than you can remove. They wanted to increase their time on target. Which I agree it is odd the way they are doing it, they require you to push the target out of range in order to get more time on it. However, in hutt ball, I can see juggs leaping to a target on a bridge, pushing him back across a fire pit, then leaping to that same target on the reset of charge. This seems to be more of a hutt ball carrying buff than what they intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belialle Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I understand that hutt ball is played on imperial side 95% of the time, but balancing the classes around hutt ball isn't something they should be trying to achieve. While I agree that it would be silly to balance the whole game around Huttball, the fact remains that Huttball is still a part of the larger game....and if one class has tremendous advantages compared to other classes, something should be fixed. Is that the case here? I don't know yet. I'm just saying. :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowingzero Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 What's up with that? Three ways to Jump across obsticles isn't enough? I have an idea: Why not just change the rules in Huttball to "If a Jug grabs the ball, automatic point!" Oh wait. You just indirectly did that. What's the third way? Are you including Zealous Leap? The range on that is incredibly short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlaid Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 So.....we can't buff a PVP spec that's underperforming across the board because they do well on Huttball? This change is perfectly acceptable. It's a longish cooldown and refreshes force leap. This lets you use it immediately after force push so you can get on the target you pushed, or use it as an ability to get a little more mobility. Honestly, I don't think this change was needed. Mobility isn't the problem with guardian/jugs anyway. It's the clunkiness, resource system and lack of elegant/quick ways to deliver damage in PVP. So while a bit unnecessary, the change will still do some good for the class and open up a little more in the ways of showing skill and proper timing with your class. The noobs will just spam force push on CD followed by force leaps. The pro's will use force leap+force push+intercede to bunny hop around the battlefield at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMornox Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 i consider this more a nerf than a buff (playing rank 53 guardian) force leap cooldown went from 15 to 30 seconds force push now resets force leap cooldown (1 min cd) so what does it mean? insane leaping once a minute and more getting kited in between. i want this change to disappear, no appeal in situational gameplay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee-Jay Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Being able to reset a 15 second cooldown ability once a minute hardly seems like a game-breaking change, especially since it's a gap-closer, not an actual damage-ability we're talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyrosso Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Its balanced they doint have knockbacks like everyone else. No no...operatives have no knockbacks, give me knockbacks thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonerjohn Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 While I agree that it would be silly to balance the whole game around Huttball, the fact remains that Huttball is still a part of the larger game....and if one class has tremendous advantages compared to other classes, something should be fixed. Is that the case here? I don't know yet. I'm just saying. :] I wouldn't say they are out of line currently doing objectives in hutt ball unless you compared them to operatives. Sages/sorcs seem to be the true stars of carrying and assisting in hutt ball. Pulls, sprints, heals, aoe knockbacks, and shields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soonerjohn Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 i consider this more a nerf than a buff (playing rank 53 guardian) force leap cooldown went from 15 to 30 seconds force push now resets force leap cooldown (1 min cd) so what does it mean? insane leaping once a minute and more getting kited in between. i want this change to disappear, no appeal in situational gameplay Wait, what? They increased the cooldown of leap? I didn't see any such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindianajones Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 What's up with that? Three ways to Jump across obsticles isn't enough? I have an idea: Why not just change the rules in Huttball to "If a Jug grabs the ball, automatic point!" Oh wait. You just indirectly did that. Today you learned that PvP isn't balanced around huttball. Seriously, go play a Jugg/Guardian and then come back here and tell me our mobility didn't need a buff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belialle Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Sages/sorcs seem to be the true stars of carrying and assisting in hutt ball. Pulls, sprints, heals, aoe knockbacks, and shields. Yes, they have strong heals, damage, and excellent utility. They can be pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auhfel Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 They wanted to increase their time on target. Which I agree it is odd the way they are doing it, they require you to push the target out of range in order to get more time on it. However, in hutt ball, I can see juggs leaping to a target on a bridge, pushing him back across a fire pit, then leaping to that same target on the reset of charge. This seems to be more of a hutt ball carrying buff than what they intended. I *suppose* it helps... but just minorly. I mean.. Force Push has a 10m range. If you already expended your first jump, and then the enemy knocks you back/speeds away/snares you or whatever else CC they have, and they get outside of 10m range, how are you going to catch them then? It really just doesn't seem like a proper amount of help for them. Maybe if Force Push had better range, say 15m or 20m, you might be able to push them soon enough before they get out of range of force push. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auhfel Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 ALSO OF NOTE FOR MOBILITY HELP ON WARRIORS/KNIGHTS!! Can we please do something about Obliterate, the 10m force charge/jump? Besides the terribad range it has, it has a huge issue -- It does not snare the opponent like Charge does, so what ends up happening is that you leap to where they were when they cast it, not where they are currently. So, you jump to where they were.. and now they are again out of range because they moved during it's cast duration. All I really want is like a measly .5 sec snare or something to help the mobility out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMornox Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Wait, what? They increased the cooldown of leap? I didn't see any such thing. ok i reviewed the patch notes, you are right its not in there. must have been a false rumor in the test server forum i did not read properly. so its just a buff, a rather strong one then. dunno why this was implemented, there should be more present issues on the agenda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vindianajones Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 ALSO OF NOTE FOR MOBILITY HELP ON WARRIORS/KNIGHTS!! Can we please do something about Obliterate, the 10m force charge/jump? Besides the terribad range it has, it has a huge issue -- It does not snare the opponent like Charge does, so what ends up happening is that you leap to where they were when they cast it, not where they are currently. So, you jump to where they were.. and now they are again out of range because they moved during it's cast duration. All I really want is like a measly .5 sec snare or something to help the mobility out.. Yes, it's quite annoying having that talent that is supposed to be an extra gap closer and it ends up sticking you 5 meters from where your target actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auhfel Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) I actually re-spec'd out of it because it's almost completely useless. The facts that you can do nothing during the animation, it's weak damage, and you end up not gaining anymore distance to your target, the bad range that you can't jump up levels with it... too much to even try to justify taking it. I'd rather spend my talent/rage points on something else. The only use I can see for it is proc'ing the smash/sweep and force scream talents. Edited January 17, 2012 by Auhfel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byteresistor Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Its balanced they doint have knockbacks like everyone else. Look closely ladies and gentlemen: these are the kind of players that get classes nerfed or buffed in MMO's. They QQ on the forums about classes they don't have a clue about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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