Xamota Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) I'd like to add a it of rational thinking to this discussion. (What am I, crazy?). OK, Here goes. When WoW came out, the majority of gamers at the time didn't really have any other MMO's to compare it to. I mean there was UO, EQ, DAoC, but it wasn't a fully realized genre as of then. WoW took it to the next level, supported it well, listened to its customers concerns (whether you personally agreed with them or not) and flourished. Now, every game company attempts to jump on this cash cow and profit. Well, profit for a gaming company doesn't always mean the best products for gamers. Hence, SWTOR. Look, let's be realistic... MMOs have been out awhile now. People expect a certain level of polish on a game. I put forth Rift as an example. A game that I didn't personally enjoy that much, but, with it's bugs and faults definitely felt like a finished product upon release. Also, Rift was master of the HOTFIX. A term that Bioware needs to come to know and love. I mean the Defend the Shipment Daily on Ilum has been broken for weeks?? Really, that can't be HOTFIXED in. People inexplicably falling over dead while out of combat in raids. These are all things that make people feel like they are still Beta testing a “finished” product that they spent hard-earned money for. And now, the coup de grace. Let’s postpone the patch. Why? Is it not ready..? Sure maybe. But a more likely reason is that Bioware knows that they have millions of Star Wars fans, who wanted nothing more than to love this game, (and will sometimes defend Bioware like a bullied child), and the opportunity to make them subscribe for at least another month if they delay the patch a few more days. Why? Because people want this game to be good, they want it to be fun, they want it to be polished, but goddamit I want it to be finished. And we should all, as customers, be upset by being treated like fanbois that will give every last dollar of our allowances to play their broken game. /rantoff Edited January 17, 2012 by Xamota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor_Doomhammer Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Rabble rabble rabble, the game should never have been released when it was, it obviously still needed polish and was pushed out early in time for Christmas, Biware and EA should be ashamed rabble rabble rabble. Rabble rabble rabble, what do you mean thay're delaying the patch because there are problems with it? They should just release as it is then fix stuff later rabble rabble rabble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Rabble rabble rabble, the game should never have been released when it was, it obviously still needed polish and was pushed out early in time for Christmas, Biware and EA should be ashamed rabble rabble rabble. Rabble rabble rabble, what do you mean thay're delaying the patch because there are problems with it? They should just release as it is then fix stuff later rabble rabble rabble. I was thinking this EXACT thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xamota Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Rabble Rabble people shouldn't voice concerns they have over faulty products they've purchased in the very forum designed in which to do so. Welcome to the thread, fanboiS. Edited January 17, 2012 by Xamota Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrellaris Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Rabble rabble rabble, the game should never have been released when it was, it obviously still needed polish and was pushed out early in time for Christmas, Biware and EA should be ashamed rabble rabble rabble. Rabble rabble rabble, what do you mean thay're delaying the patch because there are problems with it? They should just release as it is then fix stuff later rabble rabble rabble. pretty much what I read from it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparklehorse Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 (edited) Wow, I can't believe I actually read that crap. Ok here's how the thread should have started. What delaying the patch says to me... is that the patch isn't ready. That's it, nothing else. Anything else is just idle armchair developer speculation. Edited January 17, 2012 by LexiCazam Rude/PMd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshalleck Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Or they thought it's better to try and get the first major patch right the first time, rather than push out more bugs. For as much as this game's quirks and deficiencies irritate me, I support any decision to delay a content push if issues have been identified in testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor_Doomhammer Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Rabble Rabble people shouldn't voice concerns they have over faulty products they've purchased in the very forum designed in which to do so. Welcome to the thread, fanboiS. I'm not saying you can't argue about the faults, there are plenty. But they can either do it fast or do it right, it's very rare those aren't mutually exclusive in the development business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan_Hoffman Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I didnt even read it and still got rabble rabble rabble from it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xamota Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 Wow, I can't believe I actually read that crap. Ok here's how the thread should have started. What delaying the patch says to me... is that the patch isn't ready. That's it, nothing else. Anything else is just idle armchair developer speculation. If this decision is saying something more to you than that I suggest you see a psychiatrist because the voices in your head are finally winning and it's a downward spiral from here. Flag this crap, report the troll and move on. Enjoy the Kool-Aid, this is financially motivated, guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yewdee Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Wow, I can't believe I actually read that crap. Ok here's how the thread should have started. What delaying the patch says to me... is that the patch isn't ready. That's it, nothing else. Anything else is just idle armchair developer speculation. If this decision is saying something more to you than that I suggest you see a psychiatrist because the voices in your head are finally winning and it's a downward spiral from here. Great the patch isnt ready, they delayed it, but what about his other points? What about the fact that people are experiencing the same bugs they experienced in open beta? 1 MONTH after physical release, and those bugs are still in? Don't disregard the whole post for one part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowcrashed Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I would rather they delay it than shove something out thats broken, Ive suffered through enough wow patches that made the game unplayable for a week or more while they tried to fix all the crap their patch broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokkus Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Pure speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthQube Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 tbh i rather see a fix about the WZ pop and the WZ not counting on dailies bug then a new content patch....that is just me offcourse. Though i can understand the OP , he has soem valid points there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparklehorse Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Enjoy the Kool-Aid, this is financially motivated, guaranteed. The crazy runs deep with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutharex Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Rabble rabble rabble, the game should never have been released when it was, it obviously still needed polish and was pushed out early in time for Christmas, Biware and EA should be ashamed rabble rabble rabble. Rabble rabble rabble, what do you mean thay're delaying the patch because there are problems with it? They should just release as it is then fix stuff later rabble rabble rabble. You nailed it mate, and this would work with 90% of whine posts (with the exception of "whaddya mean I can't hit all my attacks simultaneously liek in wow?!?!?!FAIL" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDozen Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 If I was unsubbing, delaying the patch would have confirmed my decision if I needed any confirmation. I would not resub just to see 1.1. I think anyone who does is gullible and deserves to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocNessMonster Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 If you got a problem with corporations trying to make massive amounts of money, methinks you should abandon the AAA games entirely and focus your attentions on the indie game scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrellaris Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Great the patch isnt ready, they delayed it, but what about his other points? What about the fact that people are experiencing the same bugs they experienced in open beta? 1 MONTH after physical release, and those bugs are still in? Don't disregard the whole post for one part of it. Very simple answer to be honest. Importance over convenience. Have you ever stopped to think that that one quest being bugged isn't an important factor? While there are other bugs to get fixed first. Like say, the performance issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xamota Posted January 17, 2012 Author Share Posted January 17, 2012 To me, it's the classic "keep 'em coming back". You want to see if we fixed your game, and made it better, it'll cost you $15. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutharex Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Great the patch isnt ready, they delayed it, but what about his other points? What about the fact that people are experiencing the same bugs they experienced in open beta? 1 MONTH after physical release, and those bugs are still in? Don't disregard the whole post for one part of it. You mean like in WoW at launch and after EVERY expansion o major content patch lol? Because, maybe you weren't there, but at launch and for months after taht, we kept on seeing teh same bugs that had been reported in beta truth is, coding a behemot of a project like a MMO is complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan_Hoffman Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 OMG Peeps on the test server found a bug that would have caused tons of cry babies to pour onto the forums and complain, so they stopped the patch to fix it!!! How dare they!!! Now the babies have something else to cry about!! No Patch!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanSolo Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 I can explain in one word what these delays say to me (it's not a first patch delay btw IN A MONTH TIME lol). INCOMPETENCE. Bioware seem to have a great ability of not meeting their deadlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PjPablo Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 Well if you read the PTR forum it looks like the Biochem fix was jacked up and actually would have resulted in the opposite impact they were looking for so no patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldPush Posted January 17, 2012 Share Posted January 17, 2012 If patching, critical fixes and general customer service were handled similarly where I worked (Software developer/project in the financial sector) there'd trickle down some very "positively urging notes about waking the fck up" from the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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