Baaddare Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Problem would be solved with combat logs/meters. Just sayin shockingly without even being there to see the fight let alone any dps meters or combat logs most of us can tell right off they are no ccing the mobs and thats the issue they are having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lornalove Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I thought foundry was an empire flashpoint. It is, but Mandalorian Raiders is for both factions. The boarding party you face will be made up of the mirror classes from the opposite faction. I like that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauzian Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 When server transfers become available, I invite all dps to come to Krayt Dragon. On both my Imperial and Republic toons, all I see is LFM need dps for w/e they are running. I swear its a server full of tanks and healers. Rarely do I see calls for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryzyra Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 shockingly without even being there to see the fight let alone any dps meters or combat logs most of us can tell right off they are no ccing the mobs and thats the issue they are having. He beat the fight with a different healer. Did the 36 sentinel wake up and start doing some real damage? Did the 22 tank avoid some of the big hits that were doing him in before? Did the new healer spam heals better? Who knows. The OP sure doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baaddare Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 We were using CC but it only lasts so long in that fight (Each guy takes a minute or more to drop and they get stronger after each one you kill) as a healer i can tell you that my wirlwind ir ready to go to re cc a mob by the time the first one drops off. So i just re cc mine. Usually, i select the one we will kill last to cc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramyn Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 shockingly without even being there to see the fight let alone any dps meters or combat logs most of us can tell right off they are no ccing the mobs and thats the issue they are having. except CC wasn't the problem and usually isn't, so.... you fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anwg Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Don't think you can CC those guys? At least the jedi counterparts. I remember we tried it and they were all immune. And doesn't at least one of them drop aggro regularly? Also you should just have the sentinel tank the whole place. Edited January 16, 2012 by anwg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soshla Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 He beat the fight with a different healer. Did the 36 sentinel wake up and start doing some real damage? Did the 22 tank avoid some of the big hits that were doing him in before? Did the new healer spam heals better? Who knows. The OP sure doesn't. Interrupts would also probably massive in reducing the Sorc damage, as well as other classes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApesAmongUs Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 If the healer has mobs on him, he's spending more time healing himself that he could spend healing you. The area heals in this game leave a lot to be desired, and the healers take a lot more damage than the tanks. The end results of those two facts is - if the healer will always do better focusing on one main tank than on himself + 1 tank. There's almost no instance where you would want a healer to be tanking anything. If you can't keep up with 4 guys on the tank, then you're really not going to be able to keep up with 3 on the tank and 1 on the healer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosedog Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Interrupts would also probably massive in reducing the Sorc damage, as well as other classes. I remember using skada to see who got interrupts and who didn't. Fun times. Seemed like whenever something went wrong, you always knew the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoodlumpriest Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I run with guildies only and use TS so we have an advantage. I am a heal specced sage CC is your friend, this game is loaded with it. A 4 mob pull suddenly becomes only 2 and then it becomes much easier, a little time spent prepull arranging stuff goes a long way. Our tank rarely guards me, he reserves that for our goddam dps who take aggro off him far more than i do. But i have specced points into reducing my aggro through heals. I have noticed the ui is not healer-friendly and damage is very 'spikey' so i lose someone occasionally, but **** happens..... Luckily they love me so much they dont moan often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApesAmongUs Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 as a healer i can tell you that my wirlwind ir ready to go to re cc a mob by the time the first one drops off. So i just re cc mine. Usually, i select the one we will kill last to cc That works for all healers except IA (and likely the scoundrel mirror). They can only chain mez robots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baaddare Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Don't think you can CC those guys? At least the jedi counterparts. I remember we tried it and they were all immune. And doesn't at least one of them drop aggro regularly? Also you should just have the sentinel tank the whole place. yes he bounces around from target to target. Usually, he does not kill his target right off unless they are down on health. the Healer has to be quick to bring someone back up to health before he retargets them. If he just assumes they are not being hit now i can wait and they get retargeted they will die fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinadan Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 You used to not even be able to CC that fight, just need the right kill order (ie warrior first since he has random aggro). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 He beat the fight with a different healer. Did the 36 sentinel wake up and start doing some real damage? Did the 22 tank avoid some of the big hits that were doing him in before? Did the new healer spam heals better? Who knows. The OP sure doesn't. I WAS THE TANK ask questions before you point them out against other people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 Don't think you can CC those guys? At least the jedi counterparts. I remember we tried it and they were all immune. And doesn't at least one of them drop aggro regularly? Also you should just have the sentinel tank the whole place. Why on earth would the sentinel tank the place (he didn't last 10 sec after I died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 If the healer has mobs on him, he's spending more time healing himself that he could spend healing you. The area heals in this game leave a lot to be desired, and the healers take a lot more damage than the tanks. The end results of those two facts is - if the healer will always do better focusing on one main tank than on himself + 1 tank. There's almost no instance where you would want a healer to be tanking anything. If you can't keep up with 4 guys on the tank, then you're really not going to be able to keep up with 3 on the tank and 1 on the healer. The healer did not have mobs on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baaddare Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 That works for all healers except IA (and likely the scoundrel mirror). They can only chain mez robots. well thats why i mentioned my spell as i do not know all the classes and their cc's His list of group mates just said Healer. I figured if he had a sage they would have a mirror of my spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 yes he bounces around from target to target. Usually, he does not kill his target right off unless they are down on health. the Healer has to be quick to bring someone back up to health before he retargets them. If he just assumes they are not being hit now i can wait and they get retargeted they will die fast. the one that bounced I primarily focused aggro on him (I have a permanent 6 sec aggro I only used on him unless he wasnt jumping) (its a marauder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baaddare Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 You used to not even be able to CC that fight, just need the right kill order (ie warrior first since he has random aggro). yup usually good to mark them for kill order and get that guy down fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aryzyra Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 I WAS THE TANK ask questions before you point them out against other people I know you were the tank. But you don't know what happened in the first place, or what changed with the next healer. Which is why you made this thread in the first place. If you knew the answer, you wouldn't be asking the thread topic question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 well thats why i mentioned my spell as i do not know all the classes and their cc's His list of group mates just said Healer. I figured if he had a sage they would have a mirror of my spell. We won with a sage after our Smuggler left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 You used to not even be able to CC that fight, just need the right kill order (ie warrior first since he has random aggro). We were going in a pre planned order (which started with said marauder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevonLoy Posted January 16, 2012 Author Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) I know you were the tank. But you don't know what happened in the first place, or what changed with the next healer. Which is why you made this thread in the first place. If you knew the answer, you wouldn't be asking the thread topic question. read the whole thread I only posted conversation starter information in the OP this is a 7 page thread read the whole thing Edited January 16, 2012 by DevonLoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baaddare Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 the one that bounced I primarily focused aggro on him (I have a permanent 6 sec aggro I only used on him unless he wasnt jumping) (its a marauder) ya but he will still bounce you can never really stop him from doing it. Also since you were running with guildies do you know if they were focus firing. One thing i have noticed in this game is alot of dps will just be randomly picking off a mob to shoot at and not be focusing in on one target. Especially if that target is one like this one. They will tend to go off on one they think they can down quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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