[Official High Resolution Textures Post] Can we get a clarification on this?

[Kashaan]

It would be better if they fixed these issues before release.

 

It was a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario because they f'd up, not because we're unreasonable customers.

 

If, within the first 5 threads, they would have been honest and forthcoming about what happened, and committed to fixing it... They wouldn't have been so 'damned'. Heck, I'll even take honesty and commitment now. But instead we get explanations about ui bugs and carefully chosen words about fidelity.

 

They've damned themselves.

 

Do YOU understand?

 

 

Check the attitude. I never denied anything you said above. I'm fully aware the game is poorly optimized and that that is fully BW's fault.

 

But they had a deadline they were given by EA and they did the best they could with a bad situation. They had two choices: One pissed off less people than the other one. They went with that.

[GeneralDiomedes]

I swear to god. My father would have beat the hell outta me for talking to people the way some of you folks do. And i would sure as hell lay the beat down to my kids if they dared to be that disrespectful to other people.

 

Stress releases cortisol which long term can impair brain function.

[Rophez]

I'm really confused as to how it went from being an option in beta to now being something that developers have to "explore" to implement at launch.

 

Hence the mistrust most of us have. Their stance simply isn't logical - something more to this story is not being told.

[Phadian_gess]

Fact isn't subjective.

Conan, Aion or LOTRO have superior graphics, in every concievable way.

Every. Single. Way.

 

If you think TOR is the new best thing, you are the one who's blind, not to mention easily amused.

 

You said Everyone

 

that implies that you think everyone has the exact same opinion as you and again what is stopping you from showing us a picture explaining your point in Every. Single. Way. ???

[mcfabulous]

Hence the mistrust most of us have. Their stance simply isn't logical - something more to this story is not being told.

 

basically what I've said 10 times in each series of pages haha.

 

They're hidin itttss!

[Your_dominus]

You said Everyone

 

that implies that you think everyone has the exact same opinion as you and again what is stopping you from showing us a picture explaining your point in Every. Single. Way. ???

 

lulz. there these people go again, with "opinion".

 

FACT: the other listed games have higher res textures.

FACT: the other listed games use DX10 or DX11

FACT: the other listed games use better shaders and lighting

 

Take the god darn blinders off. Fact is not an opinion. It's...well, a fact.

Edited January 12, 2012 by Your_dominus

[Oddzball]

You said Everyone

 

that implies that you think everyone has the exact same opinion as you and again what is stopping you from showing us a picture explaining your point in Every. Single. Way. ???

 

EH he is kinda right. Those game do have better graphics in pretty much every single way.

 

But then again I knew going into this that SWTOR wasnt going for great graphics.

[Kashaan]

Fact isn't subjective.

Conan, Aion or LOTRO have superior graphics, in every concievable way.

Every. Single. Way.

 

 

Prove it. If it's a fact, it's provable. Do it.

 

 

If you think TOR is the new best thing, you are the one who's blind, not to mention easily amused.

 

 

Quit being a *****. I've never said anything of the sort, in fact I've stated numerous times the game is poorly optimized, and this type of statement is completely against ToS. Please learn to be more respectful.

[Khechari]

Check the attitude. I never denied anything you said above. I'm fully aware the game is poorly optimized and that that is fully BW's fault.

 

But they had a deadline they were given by EA and they did the best they could with a bad situation. They had two choices: One pissed off less people than the other one. They went with that.

 

Oh okay, I didn't realize you weren't defending them, you were just playing Captain Obvious.

[Your_dominus]

Prove it. If it's a fact, it's provable. Do it.

 

 

 

 

 

Quit being a *****. I've never said anything of the sort, in fact I've stated numerous times the game is poorly optimized, and this type of statement is completely against ToS. Please learn to be more respectful.

 

I do not need to prove a gosh darn thing to you!! That's what you for some reason, can not grasp!

Go play em! They are far superior graphicaly!

Do i have to prove ( for example) that Crysis 2 looks better than Doom 3? no ! it's a fact!

If you are unaware, or havnt played them that's your fault.

 

Do I have to prove the world is round before I claim it's not flat???

Holy smooooookes,lmao.

Edited January 12, 2012 by Your_dominus

[gezodiac]

I will be unsubscribing to this game now.

 

I never really spent a lot of time tracking the game in BETA it was more of an impulse buy.

 

But I remembered the game looking a lot better than what I got and played December 24th, 2011 to today. My toon has no definition, it is a silhouette with muddy blodded texture from houd to feet.

 

PVP is jank and clunky.

 

ui is slow and unresponsive.

 

 

And for me... it has been the case with any somewhat recent bioware games, load times are far greater than what they should be.

 

I'm going back to rift, that game looks better than ToR with more stylized graphics and superb character models... also it doesn't take forever to load in to areas.

[Unruhe]

I'm so glad this celebrity decided to chime in. Thanks for letting us know. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you, as they say.

 

Seriously, if you folks obsess over character graphics, you're losing sight of the big picture. Do you play zoomed in nearly all the way, and do you focus on the sharpness of the Sith Inquisitor's chest texture when you're carrying a Huttball to the goal, and two guys are doing their darnedest to slow you/kill you?

 

Because if that is a concern for you in a game like this... where you should be playing at a decent zoom-out to see the action around you... and FP/Ops/PVP action abounds... well, I feel bad for you. You either haven't played many MMOs, or your priorities are severely messed up.

 

A well-made game looks good both close up and far away. On top of that, it runs well under a variety of stresses.

 

The Blurry Republic is not a well-made game.

[Oddzball]

Now if you guys want to bit** and complain about ANYTHING, you OUGHT to be complaining about those

 

 

 

god awful shadows.

 

 

Thats something I can get behind.

 

THey are just plain bad and I havent heard a word about why that is.

 

Or how about these horrible forums.

 

Seriously, my website has better forums and I made that crap myself in like 20 minutes.

[Khechari]

lulz. there you go again with opinion.

 

FACT: the other listed games have higher res textures.

FACT: the other listed games use DX10 or DX11

FACT: the other listed games use better sharders and lighting

 

Take the god darn blinders off. Fact is not an opinion. It's...well, a fact.

 

That's a pretty solid argument^!!!

[Zeodic]

Fact isn't subjective.

Conan, Aion or LOTRO have superior graphics, in every concievable way.

Every. Single. Way.

 

If you think TOR is the new best thing, you are the one who's blind, not to mention easily amused.

 

Actually that is your opinion, I have played Conan and LOTRO and imo they are not as good as swtor. I have never played Aion but the screenshots I have seen it does look prettier, but its a different style of graphics. Almost like comparing Disney to Shounen.

[iheartnyc]

Great then. Unsubscribe. Vote with your wallet. When I see you on these forums 3 months from now I'll recall this post and my assumption will be right.

You want a developer that talks to customers and responds to feedback, try Fallen Earth.

 

Indie developer, best customer service I have ever seen. They literally post 50 times a day some months in the forums.

 

BioWare isnt nor never was that kind of company so I dont know why folks expect otherwise. I've accepted that.

 

I think you are mistaken about my intentions. Read my posts. I don't complain about textures (mean nothing to me) or about game features or bugs, generally never do about any game. I have no intention of unsubscribing (I paid 6 months upfront). My post is in response to those in the community who think it's OK to tell others to shut up when they have a legitimate gripe. The chances of the community being heard, as you pointed out, are low enough as it is. We don't need other members telling each other to S-T-F=U or G-T=F=O.

Edited January 12, 2012 by iheartnyc

[Kashaan]

Oh okay, I didn't realize you weren't defending them, you were just playing Captain Obvious.

 

 

No, you stepped into a conversation between two people that you had no understanding of.

 

Someone asserted that they should have left in the High-res textures option and let people have the choice of crashing or not. I was pointing out how objectively, that was a horrible idea compared to what they went with. Both choices they had were bad, but they went with the one that was less bad.

[BeeblesTV]

Now if you guys want to bit** and complain about ANYTHING, you OUGHT to be complaining about those

 

 

 

god awful shadows.

 

 

Thats something I can get behind.

 

THey are just plain bad and I havent heard a word about why that is.

 

Or how about these horrible forums.

 

Seriously, my website has better forums and I made that crap myself in like 20 minutes.

 

Make a thread for shadows. This is about high resolution textures.

[gezodiac]

Now if you guys want to bit** and complain about ANYTHING, you OUGHT to be complaining about those

 

 

 

god awful shadows.

 

 

Thats something I can get behind.

 

THey are just plain bad and I havent heard a word about why that is.

 

Or how about these horrible forums.

 

Seriously, my website has better forums and I made that crap myself in like 20 minutes.

 

 

 

Yeah, them shadows are made of lego blocks.... thought I was the only one.

[AuroraKet]

STO is great about graphics options, they're even working on the beta for DX11 support to go even on top of the current graphics. And that's for an MMO that's going F2P...

 

Too bad it has less than 1/10th the content, if that.

[Your_dominus]

Actually that is your opinion, I have played Conan and LOTRO and imo they are not as good as swtor. I have never played Aion but the screenshots I have seen it does look prettier, but its a different style of graphics. Almost like comparing Disney to Shounen.

 

No.....it's like comparing low res textures to high res ones.

It's like comparing dx10/11 to dx9.

It's like comparing crappy shaders, and lighting to good.

See where I'm going??

Edited January 12, 2012 by Your_dominus

[Homicidal_Panda]

wow, I was on the fence about subscribing but this seals the deal bioware.

[wildknight]

No, I'm not assuming anything. If they had left High-res in, people who used it would crash in high pop areas like the Fleet (BW has the metrics... it's not an assumption).

 

So, one of two things would have happened:

 

1) They would ***** about crashing and having to re-queue.

2) They would ***** about having to turn off High res in order to avoid crashing.

 

 

It would be no different than it is now, except that thousands of people would have been even more pissed off because they were crashing (losing game-time) and having to re-queue.

 

So yes, it was better that they disabled it from every possible angle. As I already stated, it was a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario, and the path they took was less damaging and had the least negative consequences.

 

Do you understand yet?

 

yes it is an assumption. saying bioware has the metrics does not substantiate your argument. as i have said before they do not know every system spec of every user of their product. nor will they attempt to. your metrics are at best an average, and at worse a baseline assumption of the lowest level hardware specs possible for this game to even run.

 

the second option is the right one. because i will be damned if i should have to limit my graphics options so you and your crappy computer can have the false pretense of running at the highest level graphics. option 1 i would have no remorse for someone who is too idiotic to turn down their graphics if their machine can't handle it.

 

no it was not a damned if you do damned if you don't. people have good computers, great computers, or crappy computers. people with good computers run on medium settings. and people with great computers get their eye candy max settings. while people who have crappy computers get their low settings. that is how the world works.

 

this isn't preschool where everyone is a special sparkle pony. if you can't afford the highest level computer hardware, know your place and play at a lower setting and like it.

 

limiting everyone because not everyone can have the best thing is similar to communism. last i checked we weren't a communist society.

 

do YOU understand yet?

[Awarain]

Wow. Another misleading game.

 

Why has game quality gone soooo down since COD started pumping out sequels every 7 months? I watched the videos for this game and followed its progress LONG before there was ever a release date. Why did they **** the graphics so much? All of the released "in game" videos and pictures look great, yet when I get on to play it fully maxed out, it looks like i'm playing a wii game. Come on! Zero AA, Med-Res textures at BEST...***.... The voice acting and story are good, but they do not compensate! ****** graphics take away AT LEAST 50% of the appeal, leaving little left to appreciate. I should have listened to the customer reviews instead of the "professional" critiques on this. BIOWARE, TAKE NOTICE ON HOW THIS IS A 5 DAY OLD THREAD AND THERE ARE ALREADY 90 PAGES OF RANTING TO THIS! I am posting this because I want someone to realize this is a problem and get it fixed asap. They really screwed the players on this one.

 

I will give them no more than two months to fix this, it degrades most of the appeal to the game, and I would feel better going back to LOTRO, a 2005 MMO with infinitely better graphics, than having to re-assure myself every time I get back on that this will maybe get fixed.

 

Please, I really want to be proud of this game

 

This early posting of mines has been made a new. Although I've caned my sub to swtor, and told my guild of friends that I was leaving; new light has came to be after finally deciding to tweaks things. I'm not saying that this bandaid fix will make me feel better about bioware but it might buy them one more sub. I downloaded rivatuner and changed the LOD Bias setting to -3 from 0. This change has made the armor textures on par with classic-wow armor looks. In addition it has also improve the world textures a lot. This change has went far as to sharpen up the textures and details in world. I'm not sure what kind of neg impact it will have on my computer hardware but as of now its the only way I can even think about playing the game going forward. with that being said the tweak was used on a nvida gfx card and I have no clue if it works with any other brand.

 

Not to change my first post 100% here; bioware has discredit their community and dishonor them selves in my eyes. SWTOR was the first bioware game and the last bioware/EA game I'd buy. Bioware would really have to pull out the stops for me to consider subing long term and buying future expansions. Playing the game long term also depends on my friends staying; They're not that into tweaking their gfx drivers for better results like me.

 

I find it very funny and upsetting that bioware would really say that they can't allow higher res textures in the game for player's computer safty. What is this, socialist or something, I mean where do they get off saying that kind of junk. I'd hope every other studio makes funny jokes about that statement. Also if other DEV studios can make High RES and even HD gfx for their game, why not bioware? Is it talent or the upper powers to be? I'd wager to bet it was both but whatever... bioware showed their true colors.

Edited January 12, 2012 by Awarain

[Titansofoz]

See for me it is just simple pride. When I play other games like Skyrim, I spin the camera around from time to time and awe in my charters greatness and look. I feel pride in the look I created for him. With MMO's like WoW it is the same, I put so many hours of my life into a game, sometimes just to get a FULL set of the same type of gear just to look, well.....EPIC. I feel the sense of pride in my Characters look. Let's face it with MMO's the way our gear looks has become a symbol of how much we played, a status symbol if you will. We all go from wearing simple robes, or armor to gear with spikes, blades, rockets, flashy bits and smoke. Its one of the reasons that drives us to level, and explore. No buddy looks at a level 2 running around with a robe on and thinks "Wow, that guy/girl must be really good." The reason people are getting so upset, felling cheated, and wanting to quit is because our status symbols, our badges of honor, our late nights drinking energy drinks. Has become pixelated, poorly rendered thanks for participating medals, sometimes looking so bad you can't tell the difference between level 10 gear and level 40 gear. I like this game a lot, I'm only level 40 and will continue to work towards 50 and the end of my quest-line. After reading this forum and logging on and looking at my character, I couldn't tell the difference between his level 10 robe and his level 40 robe because they were both rendered so poorly. I felt like I was starting at level 10 again, hoping that I will one day soon look EPIC, and when I walk around the market new players will be like " Wow, that guy must be really good, what do I have to do to look like that."

 

That's just my two cents on this. The game is really good, I wasn't a Star Wars fan before this, but I am certainly one now. I look forward to the future of this MMO.