sithkllr Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Comparisons to WoW aren't really fair, given that Blizzard has been making updates to the engine over time. The one currently in use was not created in 2004; not by a long shot. Oh yeah, i forgot they improved the water effects lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gehoornde Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I agree with OP. WoW graphics > SWTOR graphics. However, games are not only about graphics so my logical conclusion is that both games suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBLCDiomedes Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 In other news, I prefer thin crust pizza to deepdish. Blasphemy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfabulous Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Wow can be run on: Intel Pentium 4 1.3 GHz or AMD Athlon XP 1500+ - 1 GB or more of RAM Where as TOR can barley be run on AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core 4000+ or better Windows XP: 1.5GB RAM Windows Vista and Windows 7: 2GB RAM The graphics in Tor are Slightly...and I do mean Slightly better then wow, but i would give up the graphics for better performance and right now WOW has bioware beat on Performance and everything else in a MMO. I like the game. I am just disappointed after all the years and all the hype that Bioware didn't deliver a quality product and they continue to show they cant fix any major issues...but atleast I can Emote on a speeder now. But seriously....Bioware blew it...this game isn't our savior from WoW I really was hoping it would be but sooner or later a good gaming company screws up. Nobodys Perfect and this game is far from being anything to compete with WoW. If you cant get your game to run on lower end machines you have no way of expanding your subscriber base. People dont have the cash to go out and drop on a new PC now a days. Bioware has issues with this game and by the time they get it sorted out it will most likely be to late. Bioware should of kept EA away from this game IMO maybe tera will be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FallenKnightGX Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) You're saying that this: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r4/Alkii/loldwarf-Copy.png looks better than this: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r4/Alkii/SWTORpic-Copy.jpg ?????????????????? Please leave. This is an inaccurate comparison. They choose old armor models specifically to make WoW look bad. Blizzard has never gone back and re-updated old armor models (mainly because people enjoy them and the nostalgia with them) aside from a few tweaks / additions. These screenshots were taken moments ago, both on the same machine, both games on Ultra. Swtor scenery shot: http://i.imgur.com/VaQwg.jpg Swtor up close character shot: http://i.imgur.com/hPd2m.jpg WoW scenery shot: http://i.imgur.com/p5JnV.jpg WoW up close character shot: http://i.imgur.com/JRUOb.jpg The reason this screen shot was picked was because it was a character from WoW wearing new armor. Armor in World of Warcraft has only recently been updated in terms of higher res looks since the Wrath of the Lich King Expansion / Tier gear. Anything prior to that is older and out of date. Please, if you're going to make the comparison do it properly. Compared to WoW of today SW:TOR may look prettier to some, but WoW's graphics are endearing in their own way too or perhaps I should say style. Arguing over which is better / worse is silly since WoW never aimed for "Good Graphics" but rather the Cartoony style they've had since Warcraft's inception. I'm glad Blizzard stuck true to the model of graphics Warcraft had. They are nice / unique in their own way. It really makes the experience. In doing so, the graphics may not be like OMG WITCHER 2 but they always give me a smile / warm fuzzy feeling simply because its' a style I enjoy. As another example... I dislike Crysis 2 graphics and style but I love Darksiders. That's the comparison you're attempting to draw here. The two styles are nothing alike so why bother comparing? At the end of the day? I like both for breaking outside the box that is Rift / Everquest / Aion / Lineage style graphics and carving out their own unique identity using their art styles. It really helped draw me in and hook me for both games! That being said people argue Final Fantasy XI's graphics don't stand the test of time but if ya ask me? The art style is so unique and well done that I don't mind. That game is beautifully done even for its age and you can see the love / thought put into the world, the characters, the models and the armor design. That's what makes a game and "graphics" good to me. On a side note ~ WoW had this which was amazing on it's own even if Deathwing wasn't to awesome... This was and gotta give credit where it's due: You can turn it up to 1080P and really see the graphics - But as for me? I'll enjoy the experience it delivered and I hope SW:TOR can match something of this magnitude with their ability to tell amazing stories! I can't wait to see what they have in store for us ! Edited January 12, 2012 by FallenKnightGX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papazooki Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 This is an inaccurate comparison. They choose old armor models specifically to make WoW look bad. Blizzard has never gone back and re-updated old armor models (mainly because people enjoy them and the nostalgia with them) aside from a few tweaks / additions. The reason this screen shot was picked was because it was a character from WoW wearing new armor. Armor in World of Warcraft has only recently been updated in terms of higher res looks since the Wrath of the Lich King Expansion / Tier gear. Anything prior to that is older and out of date. Please, if you're going to make the comparison do it properly. Compared to WoW of today SW:TOR may look prettier to some, but WoW's graphics are endearing in their own way too or perhaps I should say style. Arguing over which is better / worse is silly since WoW never aimed for "Good Graphics" but rather the Cartoony style they've had since Warcraft's inception. I'm glad Blizzard stuck true to the model of graphics Warcraft had. They are nice / unique in their own way. It really makes the experience. In doing so, the graphics may not be like OMG WITCHER 2 but they always give me a smile / warm fuzzy feeling simply because its' a style I enjoy. As another example... I dislike Crysis 2 graphics and style but I love Darksiders. That's the comparison you're attempting to draw here. The two styles are nothing alike so why bother comparing? At the end of the day? I like both for breaking outside the box that is Rift / Everquest / Aion / Lineage style graphics and carving out their own unique identity using their art styles. It really helped draw me in and hook me for both games! That being said people argue Final Fantasy XI's graphics don't stand the test of time but if ya ask me? The art style is so unique and well done that I don't mind. That game is beautifully done even for its age and you can see the love / thought put into the world, the characters, the models and the armor design. That's what makes a game and "graphics" good to me. A good post? On these forums?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoutlaw Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Hope that patch gives the game a bit of a boost and pleases most people upset. I'm not that angry over it as I only just started and got to level 13, but the game has been a lot fun, and isn't butt ugly to me in anyway. Keep at it Bioware team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qoojo Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 To OP, I suggest an eye exam, and don't drive until you get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papazooki Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I see the OPs point. I logged back into wow yesterday to send a buddy some gold and i literally thought I missed a big graphics update that happened because it looked so friggin good after playig SWTOR for a couple weeks. The characters in WoW seem to pop off the screen and everything is so vibrant and beautiful. Say what you will about WoW, but they designed a masterpiece of a graphics engine that uis still outperforming games 8 years later. This... gotta give credit where credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yfelsung Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Me and the OP have entirely different definitions of good graphics. Actually, it seems he has the opposite definition than I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendril Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 WoW became the juggernaut it is for many reasons. Their utterly brilliant artists are one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetrix Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 How a game made in 2004 that runs on a dual core processor, 2gb of ram, and an ati 3850, looks better with all max settings than a game just released late 2011. Now don't get me wrong I love SWTOR, but how this game can require a quad core processor, 4gb of ram, and a 4850 is beyond me. If Blizzard can make a game run and look good on such low hardware, then with TOR"S requirements we should be getting better results and performance then we currently have. Hear hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felioats Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Oh yeah, i forgot they improved the water effects lol. Right, only water. http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/08/25/brack-clarifies-graphical-update-plans/ Look, I think SWTOR's graphics need to be upgraded, but if you want to compare to 2004 WoW, why not look at the very best it had to offer? The launch trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-UIXdCNleA#t=0m46s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvonuk Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) WoW became the juggernaut it is for many reasons. Their utterly brilliant artists are one of them. The horrible childish cartoon like graphics and big pointy shiny shoulders were some of the few things i didnt like about that game. It became a juggernaut because it was easy and had a huge advertising budget. Edited January 12, 2012 by Rayvonuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans_Chosen Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Initial question is impossible to answer without objective visual quality benchmarks for comparison. It's like my saying all Warcraft related games look terrible compared to all TOR games. That's simply because I dislike Warcraft and like Star Wars, and that opinion is meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
excentric Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) Why do people keep insisiting on running this game on subpar 5 year old crappy laptops with prolly 800x600 resolution ? No wonder everything "look the same" Edited January 12, 2012 by excentric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendril Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 The horrible childish cartoon like graphics and big pointy shiny shoulders were some of the few things i didnt like about that game. It became a juggernaut because it was easy and had a huge advertising budget. Really? It was easy at launch? They had Mr T ads at launch? You are utterly not making sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yfelsung Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Really? It was easy at launch? They had Mr T ads at launch? You are utterly not making sense. Let's admit it, WoW's always been easy. It's EASIER now, but WoW was never hard. And some of us think Blizzard's artists and writers are terrible. I don't dig the little kid pallet set and the exaggerated features. I like colourful, and I like epic, but I like Warhammer 40k colourful and epic, not story book time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vendril Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Let's admit it, WoW's always been easy. It's EASIER now, but WoW was never hard. And some of us think Blizzard's artists and writers are terrible. I don't dig the little kid pallet set and the exaggerated features. I like colourful, and I like epic, but I like Warhammer 40k colourful and epic, not story book time. Ok, then we'll agree upon having different style choices. But my original point was that Blizzard's artists are one of the driving forces behind their success. You, personally, may not like them. But most people do. I am one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ishtori Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 go find the High Res texture thread. it's all explained there why the game looks dated. the short of it is: High res textures are not enabled for users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yfelsung Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 Ok, then we'll agree upon having different style choices. But my original point was that Blizzard's artists are one of the driving forces behind their success. You, personally, may not like them. But most people do. I am one of them. I'd argue about the "most people do", as even while I played WoW and my friends played WoW, the graphics and art style were a very common complaint I heard. We'd need actual metrics to determine what "most people like". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvonuk Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) Really? It was easy at launch? They had Mr T ads at launch? You are utterly not making sense. At launch it was no juggernaut, it only had around 300k subscribers, it did not become a juggernaut until the ad campagns started, when the burning crusade was released and afterwards. It was always easy though, basic hand eye co-ordination is requied at best. Edited January 12, 2012 by Rayvonuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordgracy Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 (edited) How a game made in 2004 that runs on a dual core processor, 2gb of ram, and an ati 3850, looks better with all max settings than a game just released late 2011. Now don't get me wrong I love SWTOR, but how this game can require a quad core processor, 4gb of ram, and a 4850 is beyond me. If Blizzard can make a game run and look good on such low hardware, then with TOR"S requirements we should be getting better results and performance then we currently have. because blizzard coded their own engine which is amazing and bioware uses a heavily modified version of the hero engine and it runs like * * * *. Bioware cannot handle an MMO. They are proving it on the daily. Edited January 12, 2012 by Vastalee circumvent filter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssBen Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 I fail fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexRose Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 You're saying that this: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r4/Alkii/loldwarf-Copy.png looks better than this: http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r4/Alkii/SWTORpic-Copy.jpg ?????????????????? Please leave. Congratz. You are qualified to go into politics. I played both games and I know very well how graphics looks in wow and in swtor. Yes, I agree that swtor graphics are better but your misleading is astounding: You took low-res picture of wow without antialiasing and compared it with a rendered hi-res picutre of swtor. Please le... ahem nvm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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