Mookiethejookie Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Why did they choose a engine that is so heavily instanced instead of building their own like Blizzard did? Im just wondering because I keep hearing about all the money they spent and the heart of this game the main engine seems very cheap. Any reason for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcfabulous Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 its now the swtor engine, they designed the game the way they did because they wanted to next victim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookiethejookie Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 its now the swtor engine, they designed the game the way they did because they wanted to next victim they made it heavily instanced by choice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollah Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 So cute to hear players talk about things they are clueless about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommm Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) good question. hero engine is for free and the licence cost for a title probably low. imo they should have developed it with unreal tech instead. the pipeline and most tools for that being already established because of mass effect. the textures would not be as lowres and there probably would be no green laser surgery thingy. unfortunately they wont tell us any details. wonder why. Edited January 10, 2012 by Ommm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nautius Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 they made it heavily instanced by choice? Where have you been for the last 3 years? Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jswizzle Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 lol it's not instanced because of the hero engine. It's instanced because that's how they designed the game. Have you ever used the Hero developers kit? Have you ever wrote your own 3d engine? Have you ever ran a multi-million dollar company? Sorry to put this so bluntly, call it tough love. If you haven't done these things *** do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralBlue Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 So cute to hear players talk about things they are clueless about. Clueless doesn't even begin to describe some of the people that have and will post in this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mookiethejookie Posted January 10, 2012 Author Share Posted January 10, 2012 lol it's not instanced because of the hero engine. It's instanced because that's how they designed the game. Have you ever used the Hero developers kit? Have you ever wrote your own 3d engine? Have you ever ran a multi-million dollar company? Sorry to put this so bluntly, call it tough love. If you haven't done these things *** do you know? Thats why I ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amiracle Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Why did they choose a engine that is so heavily instanced instead of building their own like Blizzard did? Im just wondering because I keep hearing about all the money they spent and the heart of this game the main engine seems very cheap. Any reason for this? Why did you spend money on the game knowing that they used the Hero engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopPunkRocker Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Guys, I dont think he is bashing the engine per say, just curious as to why they didnt just build it from scratch themselves. My guess would be money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJShef Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Thats why I ask Define instanced. If you mean the actual instances which are separated by class/group, then it's so that some schmoe cant **** up your class/group quests as well as keep the surroundings seamless and realistic. If me and 3 friends are hired to get a deed, why are there 20 other people after it too? If you mean the sever channels, then because honestly, when was the last time you needed more than 100 people in a single zone for ANYTHING. I actually like being able to complete my quests without fighting for spawns, which I had to to on my FULL SERVER. People act like anything but the major city hubs in other MMOs are bustling with players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollah Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Guys, I dont think he is bashing the engine per say, just curious as to why they didnt just build it from scratch themselves. My guess would be money. They said time not money was the reason. But I am sure money played a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monjiay Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 They said time not money was the reason. But I am sure money played a factor. Funny, for me, time IS money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jswizzle Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Because writing a 3d engine is a long process. Would cost a ton of money and could of completely failed. The Hero engine is stable, it does what it needs to do with this game. Compared to what they are paying to use Unreal, I'm guessing it's a steal. And BTW Unreal on an MMO? Are you for real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkanovi Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Because writing a 3d engine is a long process. Would cost a ton of money and could of completely failed. The Hero engine is stable, it does what it needs to do with this game. Compared to what they are paying to use Unreal, I'm guessing it's a steal. And BTW Unreal on an MMO? Are you for real? Didn't Vanguard use the unreal engine? we all know how that turned out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommm Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) And BTW Unreal on an MMO? Are you for real? Yes, why not? You think the renderer cannot pull it of or something? The only diffrence i can see on my beginner level between the two is, hero engine seems to have more interesing management tools in how you develop the content. There are a few short videos about in on youtube. Well and it got the inferior graphics, no doubt. They will have modified it for their needs, but still and maybe that is exactly why they got the issues. Who knows. Maybe they totally overloaded it. Unreal would have handled the load of data more smooth. It is constantly being developed as an engine since years and a big seller. Edited January 10, 2012 by Ommm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcgregorya Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Why did they choose a engine that is so heavily instanced instead of building their own like Blizzard did? Im just wondering because I keep hearing about all the money they spent and the heart of this game the main engine seems very cheap. Any reason for this? People are complaining about the bugs of a licensed engine and you want to suggest they build one from scratch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden_Dissent Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 This was last week's bandwagon. Sorry, you missed the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisfriend Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 i read this article... ok, well i sorta looked at this blogg post. ok... really. i sorta heard from a friend, who says he read this thread post by this guy. that said the hero engine is why my life suxxorz why did bioware do this to me? (actually i just read the term Hero Engine somewhere here... and thought that'd make my post sound important) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varcan Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) Yes. Let's use the Unreal engine on an MMO with possibly hundreds on players in the same area. 20 fps per second on a $2k gaming rig sounds just super! Wait...no it doesn't... Edited January 10, 2012 by Varcan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malice_Nihilim Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 Hero Engine was only used on the most limited sense anyway. They redesigned and tore that thing apart to get it to do what they wanted to do. As for just 'writing your own engine', why reinvent the wheel every time you want to make a game? Hero Engine had some potential and they hoped it would give them a good foundation to build what they wanted on it, which makes perfect sense. Now 3 years into development, they figure out its not what they hoped, but at that point, they are stuck. So they continue to develop with it. Hero Engine has some limitations, but you won't notice many of them in the game as a player, most of the instancing etc are all design decisions. The #1 bad program you have to look at is there Pathing Engine, it causes more problems then anything else. They are using Kynaps which is a steaming pile IMHO. The game industry has evolved enough that it is healthy to use as many pre-produced programs as possible to help flesh out existing software instead of creating from scratch what you want every time, which adds a big dollar sign and another year of development. Companies not using all the tools available, including speedtree, etc are often doomed to failure. Please understand that when WoW was developed, MMO price tags were relatively cheap, now with the maturation of the industry, MMO's specifically, and games in general just are sky rocketing in development costs. Abusing Dev's like indentured slaves is no longer a viable model with the law suits that have hit the industry so cost of employees goes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jswizzle Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 The unreal engine was designed with FPS shooters in mind. That is just a simple fact, yes you could make it work for an MMO. Hero was designed with MMOs in mind. It's a far more logical choice. I don't judge Unreal off original Unreal 1.0 trust me. I'm judging based on Unreal 1.0 to it's current form. Melee combat is non existent or doesn't feel right ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommm Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 (edited) The unreal engine was designed with FPS shooters in mind. That is just a simple fact, yes you could make it work for an MMO. Hero was designed with MMOs in mind. It's a far more logical choice. I don't judge Unreal off original Unreal 1.0 trust me. I'm judging based on Unreal 1.0 to it's current form. Melee combat is non existent or doesn't feel right ever. But mass effect, including the new one, it is all unreal tech. Anyway i agree with the fact that hero engine seems like a nice choice for mmos. Except for the fact, that it does not scale well. Edited January 10, 2012 by Ommm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godsfear Posted January 10, 2012 Share Posted January 10, 2012 I believe the issue is in the fact the Hero engine is single threaded. From what I understand this means that a multithreaded CPU (which they all are now for year and years) won't be able to fully utilize it's potential because the software can only process one action at a time where a multi threaded piece of software could send 2 or 4 actions to the cores of your cpu and each core will work with a thread. I might be wrong about all that but that's my current understanding of it. So basically the Hero engine is 1999 tech. I don't even know if any game int he last 6 years was made that is single threaded software? Multithreaded software has been around for along time. Why you would use a engine that lacks such a fundamental feature is beyond me but I'm sure money has something to do with it. Politics follows economics. Fundamental truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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