Finding groups for heroics and flashpoints is rediculously HARD

[YooYooMa]

Thats not totally true. There was a global channel very briefly but it was the gold sellers wet dream and they got rid of it.

 

Getting a group during most of LK meant sitting in town spamming trade for a group.

 

This is the system we have in SWTOR because for some zanny reason people think spamming a trade channel or sending /tells to random people = social and commnity

 

I played between 2005 and 2006 and I remember that LFG chat being there for quite a while in that time period.

[Vydor_HC]

Come on, man. It takes nothing away from you to be supportive of someone that is having an issue. They've clearly stated they're having problems. Just because you're not does not mean someone else isn't. Don't be that guy. Please.

 

Nah, stating I'm not experiencing the issue, and letting him know what I am doing so that I don't have the issue. Not sure what the problem is.

Edited January 3, 2012 by Vydor_HC

[Dogblaster]

No its not, easy to find groups

[belialle]

It's basically being whispered with advertisements, so yeah i find it rude AND annoying, maybe it's you who needs to remove the stick from your behind if you think this game couldn't do with a decent LFG tool or chat channel whatever floats your boat.

 

 

Maybe I do. Maybe I like my stick though!

 

Hey, man, I agree that this game could do with a decent LFG tool or channel.....but it doesn't have one right now, does it? When I say that I'm happy we don't have a WoW-style dungeon finder, I only mean that I'm happy to not have a cross-server dungeon finder, that's all.

 

We do the best we can with the tools we are given. You can continue to spam General for 30 minutes at a time, trying to get your group together. I will continue to politely whisper people I see buzzing around the Heroic/FP area and get my group going in 10 minutes. Seems fair to me.

Edited January 3, 2012 by belialle

[mesha]

Seems fair to me.

 

Bothering people seems fair to you? Alright then.

[silkforcalde]

My highest level is 32, I also have an 18 and a 17. Because of my odd hours of play, I usually play the highest level first and I find it VERY easy to find heroics and dungeons. As soon as the zone I am in drops below, say, 20 people then I log over to my lower levels.

 

My 32 is a combat medic commando which helps to find groups but I don't always heal, which is kind of odd. I was actually in a group the other night that had three healers.

 

It has not taken me longer than 5 minutes to form a flashpoint group and rarely longer than 10 minutes to form a heroic quest group.

[silkforcalde]

Here is the best way to find a group for your flashpoint.

 

1. /who

 

2. Locate the search box at the top. Type in the level range (ex: 30-34)

 

3. Start whispering people politely to ask them if they want to do a flash point. PROTIP: If you write using complete sentences, you will come across as trustworthy and reliable. People will be more inclined to run with you. If you write something like, "u tnak 4 MgT" .... you probably won't get very far.

 

4. ????

 

5. Profit.

 

 

Seriously. This is how we used to always have to do things back in the days when LFD didn't even exist.....even in WoW. You might even meet some new friends or something. Crazy idea, I know.

 

Spamming General is not the way to get things done. I'm just saying.

 

I actually get super annoyed when people whisper me and usually put them on ignore if they don't take the hint.

 

I form 100% of my groups using General chat.

[belialle]

Bothering people seems fair to you? Alright then.

 

If someone tells me that I am bothering them, I will certainly apologize to them and never ask them again. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. Most of the time, though, people will respond back that they are, in fact, up for it. Or, if they are AFK/don't feel like responding, they don't say anything. That happens less often though. It's mostly just a question of knowing who to ask. Obviously, it wouldn't make sense to whisper someone who is sitting at Fleet if they want to do a Heroic on Alderaan, right?

 

....But if you are questing outside a heroic area, and you see a bunch of other people running around there, too....Well, I'll just say that most of them actually seem relieved that someone is asking them if they want to do the stupid thing. Just yesterday I was questing on my new character on Balmorra....Asked for 15 minutes in General if anyone wanted to do X heroic.....No response. I noticed a couple of people around questing in the area and asked them if they wanted to do the heroic, and they said yes. I did a quick /who for the last person, and the first person I asked wanted to do it, too. Voila! 5 minutes later we were ready to go.

 

Maybe there's an art to it, I dunno. I have had extremely good success with my methods though, and I've even met a few friendly people for my friends list along the way. I mean, I have had people whisper me for help with things, and I never even thought to consider it rude unless they were rude in how they approached me. It's just not that big a deal to me.

 

Do you also get angry when the person standing in line behind you at the grocery store asks you for the little divider bar to put between your orders? Does it fill you with animal rage when a stranger at a gas station makes a comment about the weather?

Edited January 3, 2012 by belialle

[Orvish]

Whispering people you don't know who aren't marked as LFG is generally considered to be rude.

 

Before WoW had a LFD tool, it had a GLOBAL LFG CHAT. A chat exclusively for LFG people? So that you can find people who want to do dungeons and heroic quests? BRILLIANT

 

Global LFG was removed long before the dungeon finder was put in.

[Threefiddie]

ok we get you whisper, and the other doesn't

[belialle]

ok we get you whisper, and the other doesn't

 

It's true.

[silkforcalde]

Global LFG was removed long before the dungeon finder was put in.

 

Global LFG was definitely in place when LFD was introduced. Global LFG was removed and brought back. Did you even play the game?

[belialle]

Global LFG was definitely in place when LFD was introduced. Global LFG was removed and brought back. Did you even play the game?

 

Don't you remember all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that went on because they took it out and everyone was using Trade to form their groups, though? I admit, I'm a little hazy on the exact timeline, but I definitely remember getting lots and lots of whispers from people to tank things ("u tnak 4 MgT" - sadly, I can't take credit for this bit) back in the days before the LFD tool.

Edited January 3, 2012 by belialle

[Solaufein]

It's basically being whispered with advertisements, so yeah i find it rude AND annoying, maybe it's you who needs to remove the stick from your behind if you think this game couldn't do with a decent LFG tool or chat channel whatever floats your boat.

 

Wow. You think talking to people. Writing in full sentences / in a polite manner is rude!? Whoa.

 

LFD ruined the WoW community. We don't need it here. Leave that thing back with Blizzard. All it takes is some skill in communication, and a little bit of effort to find sound groups in SWTOR.

 

And as for the people that think it's rude to hear, "Hey, if you're interested we're putting together a Hammer Station run. You can come DPS if you like. Just /w me back if you're up for that." Well, I'd rather not group with you anyways if you're so over-sensitive.

 

Is it such a bad thing that an MMO (massively multi-player online) game should promote effective communication?

 

Really.

 

Do you also get angry when the person standing in line behind you at the grocery store asks you for the little divider bar to put between your orders? Does it fill you with animal rage when a stranger at a gas station makes a comment about the weather?

 

Maybe Mesha should try some anger management.

Edited January 3, 2012 by Solaufein

[Threefiddie]

least a lfg channel is all I ask!

[Kalorna]

I've found it quite difficult to find groups for heroics and have ended up having to skip a fair few of them. Level 23 and a healer at the moment and I've only managed to do one flashpoint (the first one) that I ended up soloing with my companion when I outleveled it to see what it was like.

 

I'm not sure if the relative ease people are having is server/faction or playtime based but I've tried using the LFG tool (I'm often the only person flagged as LFG in my zone) and spamming general and I've rarely had problems in other MMO games finding groups using the same sort of tactics so I'm hoping its my level/playtime causing the issue.

 

I'd love a server/level wide LFG channel or a bit of refining of the current system perhaps with selectable options for which flashpoint your looking for and your role from which you could form groups yourself a lot easier. While not being able to find groups for the heroic quests is a bit annoying I can deal with it but I'd really like to be able to find groups for flashpoints a lot easier. I don't want a "WoW Style LFG" which automatically groups players for instanced grouped content, however further development of the current tool to form my own groups would be nice.

[belialle]

Wow. You think talking to people. Writing in full sentences / in a polite manner is rude!? Whoa.

 

LFD ruined the WoW community. We don't need it here. Leave that thing back with Blizzard. All it takes is some skill in communication, and a little bit of effort to find sound groups in SWTOR.

 

And as for the people that think it's rude to hear, "Hey, if you're interested we're putting together a Hammer Station run. You can come DPS if you like. Just /w me back if you're up for that." Well, I'd rather not group with you anyways if you're so over-sensitive.

 

Is it such a bad thing that an MMO (massively multi-player online) game should promote effective communication?

 

Really.

Edited January 3, 2012 by belialle

[dreatlan]

I had the same problem. I am on Hyperspace Cannon. I ended up skipping all the Flashpoints because it was a waste of time. No one wanted to go. I am beginning to wonder how I will get my Biometric Crystals to make Havoc's Fist. Or how I am going to complete what I think is the final quest on Ilum. I have spent the last 8 days now saying LFG Siege on Ilum and I only got one response in those 8 days. Can't get anything done. It's frustrating. Bleh whatever I guess.

[Poganin]

I can relate to this problem. I'm on EU Shaltin Tunnels and it's all but impossible to get groups for heroic quests. At peak times there are 20 people on Balmorra. I still have 7 or 8 4man quests to do there.

 

As far as flashpoints are concerned, there seems to be a DPS shortage on the server, of all things. I play a healer, I made several tank friends but it took us 4 days to get a team together for Colicoid War Games. People in the correct level range just seem not to be interested in running flashpoints at all! With my experiences from WoW and Rift I expected dps to jump at the chance of being invited to a group that already had a tank and a healer but no such luck here.

 

Spamming in the Fleet's general chat yields no results. Whispering people gets either no responses or declines.

[Libertine]

I'm on the Sanctum of Exalted server(which is often very heavy or full) and ever since level 23 I have not been able to find a single group for heroics or flashpoints. I am level 43 now I doubt I'm that far ahead of everybody cause warzones are loaded full of level 50s.

 

It has just been the most difficult thing to do is find groups and I can even heal!

 

Is your server the same way?

 

even with the Majority way below 50 on Hydian Way it never takes more then 10min to get a full group for a Hardmode.

The clue is to add people you played with before to your friendslist and just talk to them...socialising makes things so much easier

[blackcerberus]

Here is the best way to find a group for your flashpoint.

 

1. /who

 

2. Locate the search box at the top. Type in the level range (ex: 30-34)

 

3. Start whispering people politely to ask them if they want to do a flash point. PROTIP: If you write using complete sentences, you will come across as trustworthy and reliable. People will be more inclined to run with you. If you write something like, "u tnak 4 MgT" .... you probably won't get very far.

 

4. ????

 

5. Profit.

 

 

Seriously. This is how we used to always have to do things back in the days when LFD didn't even exist.....even in WoW. You might even meet some new friends or something. Crazy idea, I know.

 

Spamming General is not the way to get things done. I'm just saying.

 

if someone whispers me for no reason to join a flashpoint/Heroic I didnt request, he will find himself in my black list faster than he can say "hello".

[Jeepguyx]

if someone whispers me for no reason to join a flashpoint/Heroic I didnt request, he will find himself in my black list faster than he can say "hello".

 

I really don't understand this. I have done all the flashpoints so far with my guild, so I am never looking for a group for these instances, however, I have been whispered several times and it has never bothered me. The people I have gotten whipsers from have been friendly, aren't begging, and usually even tell me to have a nice day or something after they have asked. Why in the hell would I blacklist them? They are getting a group formed while others are here complaining.

 

Yes, I would like to see a channel added or some kind of a tool added (NOT LFD but simply a LFG too lthat helps put groups together). However, right now, most people are still leveling and only doing flashopints occasionally. I am at 38 now on my main, 23 on my alt. There are very very few people around me at 38, while there is still usually a queue to get on to the server. That tells me that most people are still lower in level (or all on the empre side).

 

I am guessing a lot of the difficulty people are having relates to level, and Republic vs Empire..

[DogFu]

I’m not sure why I respond here, posting on the forums is sort of like p#$%ing in the wind. But this thread struck a nerve and since my brain hasn’t quite warmed up from the coffee for work, I thought I’d throw out my two bits.

 

First off, the comment about animal rage when someone comments on the weather - I really did LOL, well done, sir.

 

In reality, a LFG channel isn’t much better than tagging yourself for LFG and doing a /who for other like minded individuals. Pretty much any public channel these days degenerates into a chuck norris fest paralyzing them in stupidity.

 

Some people seem “scared” to make a group and being contacted helps them. A case in point, I was waiting for a “boss” to spawn and I kept seeing this jedi running back and forth, run away, run back, etc. I sent them a whisper “want to join to knock this boss out at the same time so we can be on our way?” I get an enthusiastic response back and we don’t have to fight over any pixels and we can both be on to enjoying our game.

 

The format of SWTOR IS a bit more single player due to the story. I do love that. But it can make it a little more touchy for “interrupting” people. That being said...

 

I just don’t get someone who plays a multiplayer game and doesn’t want to have contact with other human beings. But, the good news is it is self correcting because he puts you on his ignore list and you two will never have to interact again.

 

In closing I have a plea to the developer. Never implement a cross server flashpoint finder assembly line which hones people into mute sociopaths that foam at the mouth over pixels and data bits.

 

A server wide flashpoint finder, sure, but please don’t make it teleport you to the flashpoint. As simple as this sounds, I feel like it ruins the game experience and punishes people that want to explore and look around.

 

And remember, this game is less than a month old. There will be a lot of enhancements down the road. Enjoy the ride, don’t focus on what you don’t have.

[agac]

the problem is the lfg tab isn't global. you can't search for people who want to do a specific flashpoint. at best you could sort by level and read their lfg comment. and hope. also the lfg comment resets on zone change. and if it's too long you can't read it.

 

i usually only stop on the fleet when i finished a planet or when my class quest takes me there. on my sorc i find groups for flashpoints fairly easy. on my republic chars not so much.

 

i think lotro had a system where you could flag yourself for a number of quests/dungeons/flashpoints and look for people who are also doing them. can't we have it here?

[Lexieduss]

I for one am really against a random flashpoint find utility and thank god for now bioware is to .. yes u might want to become a bit more social to find groups but whats the worst that can happen .. and really stop acting like the spoiled WoW players because the LFG tool in WoW did nothing but removed the social aspect