if what you are saying I wonder if this means more upgrades as you go along?? if so I am afraid VERY afraid.. every patch causes hell with my lag and game it seems (would love this if the game was more stable in behavior)

be happy you missed the first week.. the force is strong with you!!

at least you got a response .. last time I sent an in game petition I didn't just not get a response or a stupid pre written "canned" message but instead they just closed the request without saying a word.. It was about the lag .. I then canceled the game and the didn't come back till last month and yet again I am lagging badly after the patch .. I agree it isn't right but the CS staff are not programmers (which get paid too much to spend time answer phones I agree) but also aren't players and hence have no idea.. probably they are minimum wage employees just putting in time.. I have talked to them on the phone and got better responses and what actually felt like a customer service only reason I decided to try and resub but I unsubbed again after this month if they don't fix some issues quickly a week is a long time to wait for patches when there should have been hot fixes and failing that I will see if the same is occurring after this weeks maintenance and patch .. if issues that they figure can wait till the following week I will give this up as a lost cause.

no there are people not having issue and some it is insane .. and sometimes even those with issues have no issues (though it does seem that strong mobs are hitting a trifle harder in every instance .. in 2 guns I have taken to killing the 2 elites and 1 strong mobs as I often find these fight a lot easier and haven't killed me yet since patch were as the 2 strong and 1 elite has a couple times cost me 2 death 1 for each strong to be killed.) someone is mentioning else where about champions and how they are supposed to be "group" content but there are some champions in 2 man heroics that you can't at time kill 2 man but need a 4 man group with and this is just wrong somehow. I agree champions are supposed to be hard and but should be possible solo IF this is all you are dealing with.. 2 elites likewise possible though dangerous and risky (though 2 elites are fairly easy at times at any rate) 3 strongs should be chancy but at present if 2 strongs go head to head with a player they can come very close just seems a lot of the settings seem skewed somehow.

the only issue about champions being for groups whatever there are some in the 2 man heroic that spawn in them and sometimes need to be defeated and sometimes CAN'T be defeated.. It is a sign that something IS off about THEM at any rate.. hay I am all for say the champions are group content though this begs to question why there was no mention of this change either.. SORRY your logic is faulty I think as there are a lot of mobs NOT behaving as intended I think and this tells me there are problems needing solutions.. sometimes strong mobs are hitting like champions used to while the elites are tickling you with their hits... and the champions too are all over the place with the one at the end of hired guns in Narr Shaddaa and the one at the elevator leading in that sometimes is impossible to beat one time and a lot easier to solo later.. also the interrupts need to be reconsidered .. I don't mind the CD but if the CD is so long then the rate that some of the older mobs can use big attacks needs to be lengthened at least a little bit.. IF they could get the LAG under control it might prove a lot less an issue BUT they didn't and don't seem to acknowledge that the LAG and lag spikes are effecting people all over the server while not always effecting everyone.. Waiting a week between patches is a little annoying when you need to fix issues making playability possible and diagnose issue that are occurring but this is all conjecture since I thankfully don't work at bioware (willing to bet they end up with a case of hot foot what with all the complaints and issues not being solved already).. I don't mind waiting but this is nuts that it is another week and then patches then it will be another week? I am paying a monthly and yet can't play the game except off schedule while I could before the patch play anytime even though the servers were showing as busier. After lag issues with the base game at start followed by the issues I had at any rate after Hutt Cartel you would THINK someone would have figured out what it is so even if only temporary we the paying customers could be told something and not just ignored. Just a few thoughts.. Flame on as you will since so many thing because they don't have an issue it isn't an issue .

HI WB to the OP can I ask why such toxicity in this forum?? there are a lot of good, helpful and friendly people here but there seems to be a lot of trolls.. or people being rude enough to be trolls.. maybe all he was saying was that he played along time ago and is looking for others or people he knew.. can't we at least try to be cordial ??????????????????????????????

your adds to presence is going to probably be making a big difference... normally I play a healer or a tank but both are a might painful as tank companions (for me at least) seem to be taking a lot of burst damage from mobs and particularly the strong ones or silvers .. it could be the insane lag spike I seem to be getting ( my lag is going from 40 to over 100 regularly with means these spikes are way worse) I have logged out for the day already as I just can't play due to the issues and lag spikes.. Be well all and GL.. lets hope for fixes with the patch

did The Morgukai 2 man in nar shaddaa .. first tried solo as JK guardian and the strong mobs hit harder and are way more difficult as they stun you all the time with their one attack (you only have one stun release with a very long CD and till you stun release you can't interrupt this) and it was always annoying but it does a lot of damage.. the elites were also VERY tough and Treek not able to keep up with damage incoming even though the mobs are 30-31st level and I am 34th with leveled up gear .. found someone else to help and we got through the first part with a little grief but ok .. then the champion that we have to kill wasted us both time and time again with huge hits .. stuns and uninterruptable damage. hey I like a challenge but with the lack of stuns against things larger than normal (JKGs used to get hilt strike but it is now found at 41st level and that seems a little high).. but if it ways 2 man heroic most of us thing 2 players and 2 companions should be able to handle it.. IF you were intending this please change these to 4 mans in the tool tip as they really aren't 2 man possible atm I should also mention that as is being said IT could be the LAG causing this issue.. though you don't always notice it I think it really is in effect (spikes that double you lag per microsecond means a serious issue and mean game is not updating correctly I hope tomorrows patch has some fix for this

I don't think it is more flexible.. and I hate it but trees (proper) have always been open to exploiting certain weaknesses and are very hard to manage/balance. in theory this change could mean better and more FPs, Ops, storylines and WZs in the future.. customization maybe gone (or at least the illusion of) but this still MIGHT make the game better going forward. I am NOT really for the changes BUT I understand them (the few have spoiled it all for the many)

I will also say I notice certain passives have been moved to a much higher level for some classes at least (for my trooper it is 36th level for my passive armor bonus and damage reduction and AE accuracy debuff which is called riot gas is 41st level) which COULD be grossly impacting classes at lower to mid levels.. This could all be a lag issue or just need a switching of one ability with another to alleviate the issue .. either or none but the lag and latency with servers atm is intense for many of us (not necessarily all as some are not having lag they say). hopefully that helps TUXs to explain it a bit and you aren't as clear as mud as I was day 1 and 2. also of course the ranting is getting worse (and even my frustration) when the proud and the rude pipe up that it is a L2P issue causing players who are actually JUST trying to get info or repost and issue to become actually angry with being attacked.. The L2P crowd (many of) were in possibly in diapers when I started playing MMOs and I have seen a lot of changes so I can see a lot of things but still not be sure until someone else states they have an issue .. IF you aren't having an issue the answer is "it is not my experience to have this issue" not "you need to L2P" which will drive players away from a seemingly "toxic' community

TUXs it can be any level from what I have seen (this is yet another thread sigh) and it isn't always the same experience for fight to fight. I was frustrated as heck for the 1st 2 days since, especial tanks/healers seemed for me to be having issues as the companions weren't healing as well and the tanking companions were taking a lot of damage that you just couldn't keep up with. My tanks (trooper and jk) were both taking HUGE amounts of incoming damage from what appeared to be greys in the 30s to 40 level and yet the elites (gold) though having more health seemed to hit infinitely less hard (terrible comment there sorry bare with my I am not as a wake as I should be I think).. taking 3 to 4 deaths in rapid succession. Day 3 doing the same content though it did seem that 2 stronger(silver) and an elite (gold) took more health prior to taking down the elites than 2 elites and 1 strong .. it was VERY possible and almost easy to complete the daily Hired Gun 2 and the champion that spawns at the end was fairly easy... champion up the elevator also fairly easy, though I had to kite him a bit before the end of the fight to avoid his charge up and allow my companion to heal me up a bit. Also I noticed on these 2 days I was getting ability lag while it didn't seem I had any lag the other 2 days. day 4 I had the same issue with rapid deaths from every group I fought BUT this time serious lag apparent at all times both from abilities and from Treek's behavior as a healer.. Though I do think there might be a difference between before and after I think it also can't be figured out till after the lag spikes are at least under control. I should point out though that after days 1 and 2 I stopped even bothering with the trooper because he seemed infinitely harder but again it could have been lag too. Also people keep saying to interrupt the "terminate" but the issue here would be like against the champions I have fought you can interrupt 1 (if lag not too bad) but YOU will eat the 2nd one and then you interrupt 3 due to the CD on the interrupt.. even if you interrupt with the special interrupt you will still have a long time for that one to come of CD and you are again back to eating big damage and this is only considering 1 melee mobs while if it is 2 ranged mobs the issue is infinitely harder. This might not be an issue after lag is better or it might be we can't and won't know till much later

"One thing I will suggest to anyone thinking about rage quitting because the game feels out of whack to you: Do what I did and delete all your characters, and start from the beginning. Relearn your professions from the ground up. There is a lot of people complaining that just are not used to a challenge, and need to relearn their class. Gear isn't overcompensating for skill yet. It will buy time for them to fix a bunch of the pestering end game bugs as well." opens him up to criticism of this nature .. if it isn't wanted let him leave these kind of comments out and I won't say anything .. criticizing other players and implying they don't know how to play without facts is BS and false .. also this is being done on an open forum .. and that too means anyone and everyone is able to comment

though you say this can I ask at what level your legacy is at???? I HAVE SAID MANY times that I have issues with the new game build one time and then be find later.. IF your legacy started at 0 and IF you get to 30 to 35 tell me how it goes

I have to disagree .. there were more player on just the day before the patch AND yet the game seemed fine.. if the game can't handle 50 to 60 players in Nar Shaddaa it is time to throw it out and rebuild but I doubt very highly this is the issue

again I state might be an undiagnosed lag issue.. sometimes I didn't think I was lagging at all save the fact I was taking impossibly large amounts of damage .. Yet at other times the fights were much easier.. still think strongs seem to hit harder than elites do but again I will be more than willing to wait and see till the lag issues are corrected before rendering any real judgement:rolleyes: I hope the lag is fixed soon been unable to play since match other than a few hours on Friday afternoon without just going farming of trivial 2/3 heroics for comms and frankly that is getting old fast

I have gas ... just thought you should all know .. seriously you don't say anything he .. do you mean the choices you get (I know I was more than a little under whelmed by their functionality) or do you mean the way and/or the order in which you get your abilities (this seems annoying at times since some abilities have switched from the low levels to mid to high levels now).. I have no issues with a discussion but information REALLY helps

though I agree I too have issues with some costumes and the what they look when running/mounted it seems to me that his is a VERY minor issue compared to so many others that exist and still occur with regularity (lagging and broken stuff comes to mind) Hey all the power to you but I doubt at this time anyone beside maybe players will read this post till the other crap stabilizes

you are right I would caution though that it is week one even as I curse and swear that I can't stand playing for more than an hour and only thing I feel safe doing is trivial greyed out dailies since everything else is killing me time and again when spikes occur (and the spikes are normal and common with 2 to 4 occurring every min at the best of times)..

the discipline I detest BUT I can live with it I think.. wish they had hit us with the discipline change a month before the expansion is all so we could have gotten used to it and gotten all the crap out of the way for it before we ended up with the full SoR as added issues..

Probably is from my testing and suffering from the death for patch day to now .. BUT day one the game wasn't showing exhibited lag just odd damage spike all from the strong mobs.. double elites were easier but they also use charged up attacks more so they may have damage delays while the elites use mostly standard attack which aren't charged up.. until they actually get the lag under control there is nothing to be sure of .. I really wish game companies wouldn't drop huge patches like this with expansions .. if they had done the discipline changes then a little later the expansion it would have been easier on them and us I think especial as everyone got the discipline changes even if they didn't prepay .. meh.. what can we do but suggest? and of course be ignored most likely

for you maybe lag spikes were all over the place on Bergen colony today

though you might not be seeing lag it might be occurring though I am not sure... I didn't notice the actual lag the first day it just seemed the silver/strong enemies were hitting like hell bent champions while the champions though higher health were hitting much lower on the scale .. I soloed yesterday in hired guns 2 which is green about to grey out for the mobs and 2 strong/silvers and an elite/gold I had a LOT less health and harder time staying vertical than when it was one strong/silver and 2 elite/gold.. I do also believe that if they work on getting rid of the lag issues you will find that things will be easier.. day one and 2 I didn't really notice lag and was dying 2 times to kill the 3 mobs (hitting the elites first of course and the worst of them down there are the ranged ones it seemed for the grey) .. Friday afternoon still didn't see much lag when I started but it was infinitely easier though a bit of work and no death also killed the final champion .. noticed my worst damge came during minor lag when abilities didn't work right and also Treek seemed to be doing nothing (neither healing nor the minor DPS) till the spiking seemed to abate. Saturday and today I had intense lag spike again and died a few times to odd damage coming in (not even sure if the parsing registers this since I think the damage is coming in but the game isn't updating properly so it seems to be a lot of damage from one hit while it might be a lot of hits). Died 3 times and that wasn't that champion who had me to 1/2 health in a few seconds also again I seemed to be getting no perceivable healing from Treek again, May all be lag and until they stop IT we won't know if mobs are OP or just hitting in streams while we are lagging badly

kk ty for the clarification

ok wanted to ask before .. IS there reusables? Or is it max level ones that are missing now? trying to figure out if I should bother with my old content characters pre 50th level or is it just a waste of time??

abilities NOT locking as such today but it is taking anywhere from2 to 10 seconds to actually see ability activate .. during this time I can't hit another button since it doesn't activate anyway (older games when this happened the game would eventually catch up to you but now it just stalls) .. going to go and read a book and hope this is fixed someday soon as it isn't unplayable but the only content I can do only gives me 6xp and 1 legacy at 33rd level that is gonna take a long long time to level up. what it also feels like is what old Napster felt like before the trouble .. one to 10 people leaching from you no big deal 10 to 100 and you were doing nothing... Don't mind it if people need to patch BUT it seems to be drawing WAY too much of my bandwidth and IF this is the case it has been an issue for the whole day mostly since patch came out which means I will end up paying for the "extra" bandwidth "I" am using for the 1st month and possibly cut off from my internet the following month.