You don't understand what he is saying....

Get the idea of new classes out of your head, you are asking about work that involves changing nearly every world to add instances for a new class, the story needs to be written, and so much more. Also most of the writers that worked on the class stories are long gone as well. Look at the content we have gotten so far, and you think they will add a new class? HA! At best we will probably get is more advance classes.

LOL, what a pathetic argument. So I would have to play the game to know you can hit one or two buttons over and over again during a raid and still be effective? This argument can be used for anything that is bad, drink bleach! You won't know it is bad unless you drink it yourself! That info you read online could be wrong! Or I can watch WoW videos and streams and have some of them show their parse after hitting just one or two buttons over and over again, and yet still be near the top if not top of it. Just like you can read online about how bad bleach is if it is ingested. I don't need to actually drink bleach to know it's bad, I just have to go to the right places to find out how and why. You know what a parse is right? Though I'm sure you guys will QQ about being using that comparison. However if you QQ about it, then you, once again, destroy your own argument.

Hours of my life? You act as if people don't label their streams when they do raiding on Twitch, or youtube videos. Oh I spent a few hours over a year plus period looking at WoW videos. Oh noes, such a waste! It's pathetic the lengths your ad hominems will reach just because you can't handle the fact that I'm right about WoW being dumbed down as it can almost be, especially now.

So some random person raiding on Youtube or Twitch shows me what I'm looking for? You do realize that just proves what I'm saying if I see someone spamming one or two abilities and the raid boss still dies. And I see it in multiple occasions. I guess all the random people I've watched on twitch were actually doing it on purpose as they somehow knew I was watching them!

So a game that had 100,000s of subs was a flop? LOL. No, you clearly have never played SWG pre-CU. If you ever played "SWG" it was actually NGE. Which is so different to SWG it's a different game for the most part. So you will deny that Coronet was filled with people before the CU hit, and went to a ghost city when the NGE hit? Yea, you never actually played SWG.

LOL, I love it. You make an false accusation, then when you can't find the post, that only existed in your head, you say I edited it out. Which is odd because I have already said what you claimed I said the opposite of. This can be found in other posts. That is why you can't find it, because I have been saying the opposite instead.

Funny how you ignore my other comment. Or Youtube doesn't exist to you people. Or Twitch.

One of the 15 people that left SWG when the NGE hit? LOL. There were quite a lot of people in fact playing it, admitting less then there was pre-CU. But that just proves my point. SWG was not dead at that point, however, it was dead after the NGE hit in just a few months. Funny how when it went full WoW it died...

So you are going to ignore that fact that WoW is making 50% less then it did before? LOL. You honestly think losing over a billion dollars in profit is no big deal? Just amazing.... So again, you will ignore the fact that it has lost a billion dollars in profit... Again, just amazing.... And there is objective evidence that WoW is bad because it was dumbed down. All I have to do is compared the gameplay to other MMOs, namely older ones. It's funny how you have no concept of a strawman and yet use it. It helps if you knew what that meant before you used it. It's not a strawman, it's just a continuation of your guys' logic. WoW is good because 7 million people still play it. Well 100+ million people play Angry Birds, therefore Angry Birds must be one of the best games ever. This is YOUR logic being used against you. You can't handle it because it's poor logic. Unlike you however, I realize both are poor logic. And again you mention the numbers. AKA WoW is good because 7 million play it. Post sources with comparisons? You guys will just deny it if it was thrown at you and crushed your nose. And why would I post those images showing SW:TOR copied WoW when I already said SW:TOR copied WoW way too much.... Do you have actual brain damage? If so I will feel bad crushing you in this conversation. The other parts I will ignore. When you start to claim I say SW:TOR didn't copy WoW when multiple messages I have made on this exact thread are me saying the opposite. It's pointless to continue this crushing of you. Goodbye.

Yes I can, there is a thing called videos. It's especially popular on many websites, quite a few are even dedicated to such things! There is also a concept called watching others play. You know, friends, I mean more then just people on a friends list in WoW/SW:TOR.

Of course, why bother posting where I originally said SW:TOR won't fail. Just put words in my mouth and then leave.

You might find I don't say SW:TOR won't fail and it's different from WoW, because I never have said that. Because in fact I have said SW:TOR did fail at launch. So your only argument is to put words into other people's mouths, so to speak.

No, because I know what your argument will be. You will go just because it wasn't as popular as WoW it's bad. SWG was still a far better game then WoW, proven by the fact that the more then tried to make into WoW, the more it died. The major reason why people were leaving was the bugs that were ignored, some of them major, that were around since beta. And the only content being added it were all tied in to the movies. I know this because I spoke to the people who were leaving. Despite the people leaving the player cities, but especially the world cities like Coronet, would be filled with people. That changed with the CU, and with the NGE that completely WoWified the game, all cities became ghost cities. Player city or not. But go ahead and try to use an argument beyond "it wasn't as popular as WoW therefore it's horrible." Any others you could use I already crushed. It's funny because at SWG's peak, it had nearly the same amount of subs as SW:TOR did when it went F2P. Now who is scared?

WoW my first MMO? well that would be an impossible thing as I've never played WoW. One just has to read from people who had played it from launch to know it wasn't always so dumbed down.

So you are calling Balder's Gate 2 a text based game? Or Diablo 2? I knew you were detached from reality, but you are apparently attached to something that would be perfect for an episode, hell a whole season, of the Twilight Zone if it was still running.

Oh god the irony, it just made my meter go into a nuclear meltdown.

People are still playing the original EQ as well. Along with a certain emulator. So what? Again, millions smoke, play Farmvile, Angry birds, etc. Using this logic, smoking cigs is good for you, and Angry Birds and the like are the best games ever. As more people have played them than WoW players. And their financial numbers don't agree with me? So you deny that they have lost over a billion in revenue in just a few year period? LOL! Oh boy... I already did present evidence as to why it's bad. It's dumbed down as it can be. Any dumber and the game would literally play itself. Not many have tried WoW once you look at population numbers for the major countries either, never mind comparing it to the world. The fact you ignore my argument shows yours is bad to begin with. So stop with the whole it's good just because so many play it. It's a terrible argument.

It may come as a shock for you, but there was a time where Blizzard didn't dumb down every game they made. I still play the original StarCraft close to once a year. It's the completely opposite for me when it comes to SC2. And Diablo 3 is a joke compared to previous Diablos. That happens when you have next to zero of the original dev team work on it. Also doesn't help when Diablo 3's dev team apparently are little kids as they showed after a certain reaction to a interview. Which probably explains the dumbed down nature of D3.

If this was WoW in 2004 it wouldn't be as dumbed down as it is. Because yes, there was a time where WoW wasn't that dumbed down. SW:TOR failed at launch for being exactly like WoW in terms of gameplay and having next to no end game content, along with never expanding on the class stories. That is still one of the biggest, if not biggest, thing people want now, more class stories. SW:TOR made the mistake of nearly every MMO after WoW has done, being too much like WoW. And unfortunately the main reason why a lot of people played SW:TOR in the first place, had it's future dependent on it also having WoW's success.

Ad hominem would be me saying you are wrong because of "insert something personal." I have not done that so nope. And also the only hypocrite here is you guys. When your argument is used against you, it's suddenly bad. If you are going to say because a few million people play a game it must be good, you are then saying anything popular is good by default. It's called the ad populum argument, and it's a failure of one. One of you essentially admits your entire argument is wrong, but then proceed to strawman me. As I never said just because it's niche means it's better. Now you saying I said things I never did.

I'm not going to waste my time because I know the pathetic argument you guys will use next. Pretty much it will be "it wasn't as popular as WoW therefore they weren't better."

What, when did I ever say SW:TOR wasn't going to fail? Can you people NOT use a logical fallacy as an argument even once? WoW has lost 50% of it's revenue in a very short amount of time. If any other company had a 50% lost of profits, which they did lose, in a few year period on their main product. Panic would be consuming the company. But because it's WoW, you guys are giving it a free pass. They are making a billion or more LESS a year with that lost of subs. But keep on bragging that it has 7 million subs while ignoring it once had nearly twice as many. That is horrible, especially since the latest SC2 expansion apparently didn't sell as well as the SC2 WoL did. I love how you just basically ignore how popular angry birds and facebook games are with a pathetic excuse of them not being around for a decade, so the argument doesn't apply to them. It's also hilarious you mention that people leave that game fast, but again, you ignore the fact that WoW's sub numbers are pretty much half of what they were 2-3 years ago. More fail at logic from you guys.

Now you are projecting. I'm through with you.

Oh boy, you guys can't even use Google, or you're still a little kid if you don't remember any of them.