Very true. Also, depending on peak hours for the highest chances to get a group, having to deal with in-group stuff like someone being rude, someone being offensive, someone always afk / bio / phone call / gotta get the door etc, always something to keep the rest of the group waiting...If just one wipe takes place chances that someone will quit the group become extremely high and if that someone was a tank, in most cases it eventually means raid over...and ofc, don't forget ninjas, lone ones or sometimes whole ninja guilds. All this can make one feel pretty anti-social about group activities

Lol, he's disappointed enough to write an open letter but he continues to support the game the most important (financial) way. How masochistic

Absolutely. One may not mind grinding thru dailies while being queued but then again, it's the same old flashpoints and pvp maps. Raiders, the minority, got something to do in 3.0 but you can't say that about pvp-ers or pve casuals. And that's the most weird of BW. Unless they expected people to just log in, spend some money in cartel market, check out if rngeesus was kind to them this time and log out? That's quite a pointless way of spending time you have for online gaming, BW can't expect a lot of people to be like that. BW need to revisit their ideas of how stupid they think casuals are or, given how we started 2015, it might be the last year when swtor future was safe.

A few more years of a single not very long new story for all classes and sides per year at best, and then whopping boredom aka dailies mixed with regular injections of purchasable "content"? You can't be serious People may be somewhat blinded by their love for star wars (don't see any other reason for a typical casual to log in, grind thru dailes, then maybe daily fp or a couple of daily wz's and then log off) but how long can that last? Looks like it will last thru 2015 but I sincerely wish eaware austin a drastic profit decline in this year because they'll either start releasing more content "for the masses", including making story modes of ops actually story modes or will have start from scratch, a new project based first of all on lessons learned from swtor.

Apart from monthly subscriptions from raiders (again, not all of them, some are f2p who buy passes on the gtn) they don't make any money from raiders at all, there is nothing valuable about raids profit-wise. And, for some reason, 2 new raids are the only "real" content in 3.0 that takes more than a few hours to clear. Cartel packs are new content technically but if you're a casual who saw all class stories, who doesn't raid or doesn't get to raid, daily areas of dull mindless (and cheap credits-wise) grind and cartel packs that ur invited to buy cannot keep you interested for long. It's just ultimate boredom with scheduled, monthly offers to spend real money on new cosmetic stuff. How exciting can that possibly be?

Some of you, exactly. You're just too few. And given how little and how dull the soloable content for casuals in 3.0 is, while you got 2 challenging enough ops, we're wondering how come such an obvious minority got so much while the absolute majority so little. Especially considering the fact that Eaware doesn't make much money off raiders because as you exactly said, you don't care about cartel stuff etc while many casuals do.

Wow you were doing dailies before this and you'll do them after this, such inspired loyalty and dedication to daily grinding, you must be so proud.

That would be the best solution for swtor

Frankly I'd prefer that to hardly being able to pug the new ops, let alone even try hardmodes. Although, what I found to be currently the best solution for myself is one new mmo that is scheduled to be released relatively soon and it looks like it's raid free

Regen items! But definitely this

Gotta say tho, talking about rethinking raids would be especially ironic if in a while we'll discover that a typical casual still can't get past either of the two new 2nd bosses via gf and exploit users kept all their gear, matts, schematics..it'd be quite a slap in the face

You'd surprised how many people choose to simply not give a crap about raids at all. Those who do seem to be too few to be worth the efforts in the nearest future. So either dev's tweak both difficulty and rewards so that more people can participate or raiding will indeed be something from the past. The very concept of creating a challenging instance that only a few progression statitcs can clear doesn't seem to be worth it anymore.

Then may they all be stripped of their gear, separate mods and crafting stuff. And may they all rage away from swtor. Episode 7 will bring fresh blood anyway, just have to wait it out

Scourge sadly can't satisfy anyone anymore

That's what I thought

Only for the exploit abusers, given how overall few they are, no one will notice but them

Not at all, I believe that subscribed casuals who happen to be pretty much locked out of both new ops (willingly because they simply don't wish to do them or unwillingly because in most cases they can hardly progress past the 1st bosses, let alone even get to enter the hm instance) keep the game alive. And in a way I admire these people's enthusiasm because not having much left to do but dull dailies or warzones on the same old, same old, same old maps they remain subscribed and buy cartel stuff.

Good to know raiders are as few as vocal, isn't? So BW can certainly afford to ban them

Very well said, that "be geared - know tactics - link achie" became even a holier trinity.

Yeah. Mass Effect 3 is worse than Mass Effect 2 and the timeless pure awesomeness that Mass Effect 1 is. The ending of ME 3 is just something that shouldn't have been allowed to exist...but talking about indoctrination here, on the forum of a BW game there's no way you can separate it from Mass Effect Reaper? A label created by the swtor community to give voice to their support for the game destruction. In the end, what they chose to call it is irrelevant. They're simply milked

Being a fan of Mass Effect and just somebody who occasionally plays this as currently the only mmo by BW, kindly asking you not to try to cheer up the lame-milking state swtor has been in with the awesomeness of something that belongs strictly in Mass Effect Because that what you know as cartel market is your salvation through destruction. You will surrender your wallet against the great holiday of dev's. They will return to work and their mood over xmas sales will rise

Compare how intensive, multistage and usually unforgiving to not knowing what to do and when, action is in an operation vs daily area or fp...with not many people raiding, even less being able or plain interested in clearing hm's and nim's...if swtor development was to be started from scratch, we'd get just one type of ops, a mix of story and tactical modes at best, something doable by pretty much any group that queued for it in gf. And this is what most likely will happen in the next BW mmo. In swtor BW can't just discard providing hard and nightmare modes of ops (kinda too late for that), but where ambitions of raiding elites could be sacrificed, they did it (i.e. no more bosses like the entities or world bosses with relatively complicated tactics, like the pilgrim or dreadtooth at 10 stacks). Raiders are indeed very vocal but also very small in numbers and BW knows it...too bad Wildstar dev's didn't

That was hardly the point

SWTOR is still an old-school mmo by design. It was developed by people who were part of that "we like to hardcore raid" breed and who somewhat failed to foresee that soon raiding will be of interest to far less people overall, with their numbers getting thinner every year and focus switching to casual sessions without commitments to raiding schedules and "owing" time and online activity to guilds. I bet that next BW mmo, whether it's a star wars mmo again or, maybe, a mass effect or even dragon age one, will be focused mostly on solo activities and activities that do not depend on a minimum of 8 ppl. and that "be geared - know tactics - link achie" BS

Hopefully amounts of canceled subscriptions will be heard by them since complaints on the forum fall on deaf ears