I can field this one... Using the Dark Side is unnatural and constant use of the Dark Side in the manner that Banite Sith did "concentrated" the Dark Side in a way, it was feeding the Dark Side, making the Dark Side more powerful and suppressing the Light Side (or simply the Force if you prefer) thus it was upsetting the balance. The Force could care less if there were a million Jedi and one Sith... Balance isn't a numbers game... But when one side is suppressed and the other is growing stronger... Balance gets thrown off kilter. The Jedi don't "concentrate" the Light Side nor do they actually suppress the Dark Side (as in make the Dark Side itself weaker) they simply don't use the Dark Side and they seek to stop others from using it. This doesn't make the Light Side stronger however nor the Dark Side weaker.

If the Borg get to whip out their "I Win" power than I get to pull out Force User "I Win" buttons. Trust me. I do that and the Borg don't stand a chance. We are talking about things like the Collective's mind being shut down by a lone Jedi and/or Borg ships being crushed by black holes spontaneously created inside of them.

Oh come on. Ion grenades would knock out the Borg implants. We have seen what happens when that occurs. Actually you are incorrect. The current military assault droids are not controlled by a central location. There is also something preventing them if they were, that is that the Borg aren't there at that moment in time. But no droids in the current time period have been depicted as being controlled by a central location. Even the Separatists phased that out after Naboo. No it isn't. It isn't a viable weapon. Even if there is a martial art created by Trek fans the logistics and body mechanics involved in using a Batleth are incredibly horrible, the weapon is literally one of the worst designed weapons of all time. No there wouldn't be. Because the ships, in this case, are being attacked by automated planetary defenses. They *called for the fleet* but I never stated that the fleet arrived. Planetary defenses in Star Wars are a combination of blaster tech and solid projectiles, aka missiles, the Borg cannot adapt that we have ever been shown to missiles. That is possible, but unlikely. Each Lightsaber is completely individual. In my scenario I was assuming Jedi switched to non-Energy weapons. IE vibroswords and/or other melee weapons. Jedi are trained in a variety of combat styles. . Coruscant has planetary shields, in this scenario the Borg wouldn't have had time either. No. You are giving the Borg way too much credit and the Star Wars universe way too little. It seems all you are even in this thread for is to constantly tout how much better you think Star Trek is than Star Wars in every way.

Here is actually another problem... So, how many Borg survived? In my estimate I give around 3,000 Borg. So if they can assimilate, each one person, and then that person added to the total, every 8 minutes... Lets go with a median amount of time to find them, a minimum of 24 minutes (giving each group a chance to triple their numbers... This of course assumes that people aren't running and screaming from the Borg, which they likely would do.) to find and reach them. Realistically they'd be very easy to find through the Force, as they are a Hive mind and we have a precedent for that. (Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor.) So, that would be a maximum of 240 Borg per group. So, 10 groups of 240 targets. Using the current numbers of Jedi realistically they would only be able to dispatch 3 Jedi and the rest are droids and military personnel. Borg would be extremely vulnerable to ion pulse grenades which can be used around people without harming biologicals. Blaster bolts are problematic, we don't know if the Borg can adapt to them but I am going to assume that they can. By this point however they should know that the Borg can adapt due to the space battle. Republic battle droids are pound for pound physically stronger than Borg and cannot be assimilated. This is where the Borg lose. When the Borg are engaged people will be evacuated, cutting off the supply of Borg candidates for assimilation. This is made better by the fact that non-energy projectile weapons are very common for the Republic and readily available. This means, in this first incursion, the Borg eventually fall to attrition due to the Republic having access to soldiers that the Borg cannot assimilate. This is one of the one Achilles Heel of the Borg... They are basically a zombie plague. Slow moving, they die in droves, but their strength comes from being able to replenish their own forces as they deplete the enemy forces simultaneously. We have seen Worf with a Batleth (one of the dumbest designed melee weapons of all time) drop 5 Borg himself and still retreat. I have no problem believing a group of Jedi could succeed at the same. Between solid projectiles, ion pulse grenades, and melee weapon specialists the Borg attack would fail. Now... This would be the initial incursion of course... This would be basically each side feeling the other out. Both sides would then adapt and round 2 may go differently, as might round 3. Edit: If we go with your estimate of 1,000 borg survivors that means from my 24,000 number you now only have 4,000... If they are all in one group.... They are toast. Ion bombardment, solid state projectiles, droids, jedi... No contest. Quarantine them and kill them by attrition.

Basically put... I'm leveling the playing field. You want to use unrealistic scenarios... Then I am pulling out the Jedi. The big guns. Here is what happens: Borg show up, oddly the Republic fleet is ready. The fleet opens fire with solid state projectiles and ion weapons, these are devestating to the Borg. The Borg are unable to transport to the planet due to the shield. They scramble and decide to try to crash the cube through the shield and reach the planet. This works... Only a few thousand Borg make it onto the planet... The Borg beam down in 30 groups of 100 Borg each... Instantly they are beset by superhumanly fast melee combatants who seemed to know exactly where the Borg would teleport to and were waiting for them. Borg begin dying in droves unable to defeat this foe and unsure of what exactly it is. The Borg are defeated at the battle of Coruscant within 15 minutes. Utilizing all of the resources at their disposal the Jedi Order works with the Aiing-Tii monks and decides on a devastating counter attack. Suddenly on every Borg cube a massive bomb appears, through their shields and all of their countermeasures. A series of explosions lay the Borg fleet to waist. Meanwhile, appearing in the throne room of the Borg Queen seemingly from nowhere stands a man. His hair is blond and he is weathered with age. At his belt resides a lightsaber. The Borg Queen's forces try to attack him but are flung backward by an invisible energy that they cannot detect. The blond man raises a hand and points at the Borg Queen, "I am sorry." The man whispers as the Borg Queen's mind, and the mind of the collective, is obliterated in an instant. Luke Skywalker vanishes through the same technique he used to arrive. ... Now do you really want to try to do a vs argument when we use unrealistic though theoretically possible tactics available to the universe?

That isn't correct. If that was correct then Earth would have fallen in Star Trek to the Borg. 1. They can't transport through the planetary shield. 2. They ALWAYS contact and do their speech. You are working out an unrealistic scenario pain and simple.

Borg are not God-like, I don't know why you seem to think that they are. Anyway to answer your question: If, every borg can create 1 new borg every 5 minutes, and we start with 1,000,000 borg (a tactic we have never seen the borg use BTW) then... 993,280,000,000 - 105 minutes Which they wouldn't do... Because they never did this against any planet in Star Trek ever... Here is what they would do: The Borg would show up above Coruscant, they would make contact, they would go through their whole speech, "We are the Borg, your uniqueness will be added to our own, resistance is futile, you will be assimilated." Coruscant would raise the planetary shields and call for the fleet. The Borg would begin being pounded by the planetary defenses, quickly Coruscant would realize the energy weapons weren't working, missiles and mines would be launched against the cube. The Borg, never encountering this kind of thing before and having ALWAYS had no defenses against physical weapons, would be defeated. A backup group of Borg would begin developing new tactics. Star Wars people would begin studying the Borg wreckage... Lather, rinse, repeat.

Actually it is incredibly easy. Ever used a laser pointer? I have. Ever used an industrial laser spotter? I have has well. Painting a target kilometers away is very easy to do with computerized image enhancement and stabilizers. Remember in space one doesn't have to worry about bullet drop, wind calculations, etc. One of the benefit of energy weapons specifically is that they are far more accurate due to not having to take those things into account. A naval ship will miss another naval ship usually because of things like having to arc a shell. Put two ships that close to each other with weapons that work on a line of sight principle and watch how easy it is to put a dot on the enemy ship.

Actually the Father, Son, and Daughter weren't Celestials the Killiks were clear on that. They were something else.

Actually according to the Trek novels Trelane was a Q, but a young Q. Also... Yes... Celestials created the Star Wars Galaxy and "transcended" to other planes. They were for all intents and purposes Gods.

The Clone Trooper numbers were amended after Traviss made up a stupidly small number. We know that in the Vong War about 5% of the known galactic population was wiped out. That means there are around 800 Trillion at least sentient beings in Star Wars.

What motivation would the Q have to do that? Also... The Celestials were on the level of the Q. Actually... If we go on Star Trek the Celestials could actually kill Q's... According to Voyager Q can be killed by forces equaling a supernova which we know the Celestials could generate and create nearly at will. Also note... If you want to bring Time Travel into things then I am going to bring in Jedi and flow walking and a bunch of other things that would totally frag the Borg over. I will not let people act like everything in Trek is so superior to everything in Wars.

No. Sorry but no. Go look yourself. The "science fact" that Star Trek is "based on" has largely been debunked. Go look it up yourself. They even covered this on the Science of Star Trek. Star Wars is more realistic than Star Trek according to them... Heck... DOCTOR WHO is more realistic than Star Trek. Yes... You heard me... The TARDIS is more realistic than the things from Star Trek... The freaking TARDIS...

Eh, I don't like bringing time travel into things... If they go back in time they could also wind up facing an even stronger enemy... Something like a Jedi Order at their height. I am actually very certain that assimilating a powerful Jedi Master would be a mistake that would end the Borg. Or worse... The Borg could encounter Celestials... Celestials would obliterate the Borg before the Borg could say the word, "Assimilate."

Doesn't matter if they have it or not. They had the knowledge when TNG used the same tactic against them, and it worked fine. Having the knowledge of something doesn't stop you from being caught by it.

Grrrrrrrrrrr.... This is what I hate... We get a flurry of responses in one day... Then... The next day... Nothing. Nothing at all. Darn it Community team, that is the problem, you can't just leave us hanging.

Yeah, but this is also assuming that Wars didn't adapt and we know that they can, as they did during the 'Vong invasion. Seriously, all it would take to wipe the entire Borg Collective out would be one HRD with a viral payload. HRD means Human Replica Droid, droids so advanced that they can trick scanners and even medical examinations (something Trek has never even seen) and were featured prominently in the Shadows of the Empire novel. Load one up with a computer virus, put it on a planet about to be hit by the Borg, let it get assimilated... BAM... Dead collective. Also... Yes... The Borg adapt quickly... But we are talking weapons that could one shot a Borg Cube here. Things like Galaxy Guns.

Their ship to ship weapons aren't useless. You simply thought that Star Wars used lasers instead of blasters which are plasma based weaponry and are totally useful against enemy ships. Also again, they have solid state projectiles, missiles and mass drivers, which are 100% effective on Borg and the Borg cannot adapt to them. Only really incorrect Trek fans think that Wars weapons couldn't take them down, they are easily on par with, if not better than, the Trek weapons.

That is a myth. Lucas originally planned on the story to focus on Luke Skywalker and the traditional Heroes journey. Originally Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were supposed to be two different people and Anakin Skywalker was supposed to fight Darth Vader in Episode V when he showed up to save Luke Skywalker and the surprise twist was supposed to be that he wasn't as dead as anyone thought. Lucas changed that mid-way through Episode V. So to say, "from day 1" is completely incorrect.

I wouldn't say that. First of all... The Borg couldn't even beat the Federation in a "month or two" and the Star Wars Galaxy has many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many more planets in it as well as people. Second of all... We don't know how the Borg could handle trying to assimilate the species in Star Wars. Third of all... Star Wars has a lot of solid state weaponry which Borg cannot adapt to. Fourth of all... Star Wars has way better AI and robotics tech than Star Trek ever considered having. The Borg would have a hard time handling armies of droids that they can't really assimilate. Also robotics and cybernetic technologies in Star Wars are leaps and bounds beyond those in Star Trek. Star Trek, for example, cannot fix a severed spinal column... Shown in TNG when it happened to Worf... Star Wars can fix that in a matter of minutes. So one of the biggest problem the Borg might face is the fact that Wars has a lot more cybernetics/bionics knowledge than they do and may be able to come up with countermeasures for Borg Assimilation. Also, because Wars has far better AI we can also assume that they have far better programmers... This is dangerous to the Borg as the Borg are totally vulnerable to cyber-attack as shown in TNG.

It doesn't matter Rayla... Trek fans will always claim that their tech is so far advanced that anyone from Trek would beat anyone from Wars... Despite what official sources say. This is a pointless argument and always has been pointless.

Actually you touched on one of the big Trek flaws there. Their writers are poor tacticians, in fact everyone in Star Trek are poor tacticians. We were shown, for example, that 400 Gigawatts of focused particle energy can completely disable a Galaxy Class Star Ship's shields. The next logical action would be, yes, to use a transporter to beam a bomb onto the enemy bridge (they can scan the ship's layout after all) or other sensitive area. That should be a common tactic yet it is rarely, if ever, used. We also know that a Star Ship's warp nacelles are their achilles heel. Damaging these even slightly causes a catastrophic explosion of the entire ship. They would be one of the primary targets in war, yet in Trek we often see them ignored in lieu of other targets, such as the main body, that has the heaviest shielding and armor. We also know that Trek ships have poor targeting or that their ability to negate targeting systems has far surpassed the capabilities of their targeting system, often missing ships that are barely moving, that are massive in size. Tactically speaking, once the targeting systems become that poor the ship should go to a manually targeted firing methodology as the primary use and only use the targeting systems as a backup. Trek ships also have serious tactical weaknesses in their combat design which small, fast moving ships, could exploit. Case in point, the NCC 1701-D has it's primary phaser array located on the underside, and upper side, of the saucer section. It has a torpedo bay located on the mid point of the ship's "neck" and a secondary at the rear of the ship. The primary phaser array is omni-directional and allows very high coverage but has a serious flaw... Any ships that get below the ship and use the main body of the ship to block a direct line of fire from the phaser array become virtually un-targetable by the ship. The Galaxy Class ship moves very slow due to its large size and thus smaller, faster, ships would have a field day tearing it apart from the underside virtually unmolested. These are things that tacticians could spot at a glance and yet nobody in Trek ever has... The explanation being that none of the other factions use small ships and the Federation considers fighters to be a non-threat. One of the easiest ways to destroy a Star Trek vessel would be to fly onto it from a low attack vector, attach to the underside of a warp nacelle (which provides 100% cover from the phaser banks and torpedo launchers) and damage the nacelle which, as we have seen, causes catastrophic damage.

Watch the clips I linked.

They couldn't use Transporters in TNG several times because of electrical storms on planets, once they couldn't use them because of solar flares, they can't use them through any shields, they can't use them to any place with a reactor breach, they can't use them through any electromagnetic interference. Basically they can't use them any time it would be inconvenient to the plot. That doesn't work as an explanation. We are talking about shots from close range, things that MANUALLY could be aimed to hit. A targeting computer shouldn't have a problem hitting any target any person with a mouse and keyboard could bullseye with ease.

Nope. Referring to a scene that happens later during the scene where the millennium falcon flees from the creature in the asteroid. It is also described on page 127 of the novelization of the Empire Strikes Back. As to that, you are comparing a slowed and deflected scrape vs a solid direct hit against the bridge itself (and the Star Destroyer you are referencing had already sustained heavy damage)... Weren't you the one who tried to call me out for trying to take things out of context?