Ofc GW2 will have balanced PvP...all 3 factions have the same(not mirrored) classes....really wish people would do some research on the game before posting, it makes you look uneducated

GW2 is the truth, played for3 days str8 during the weekend beta. It doesnt look like Wow THANK GAWD The WvWvW PvP will be balanced, some 'tard in this very thread had the gall to say "well the side with the most players will win" WRONG....There are 3 sides, so if 1 side has a ton of people guess what, the other TWO sides can gang up on them and even things out From what I saw it played alot more like DAoC then Warhammer (THANK GAWD) Plus no dumb "pvp for gear" treadmill, yes gear will matter, but fights are going to be won on skill and tactics, not gear advantages

GW2 DAoC DAoC- already voted best PvP MMO ever by several online sites and in online polls.....no PvP for gear in that game GW2 - Copying ALOT from DAoC, expected to be a huge hit with PvP'rs...just like DAoC no PvP for gear Competitive PvP= Players in similar gear fighting, ensuring the winner wins on skill and skill alone PvP for gear is a dying concept in MMOs...unfortunately for us....it made it into SWtoR-x

Get Ventrilo man, ask the people in the Warzones your in if they have Ventrilo.....if they dont. ut they keep playing WZ after WZ...tell them your making a premade and that they need to downloqd ventrilo

I was playing in the 10-49 bracket on our server last night...and in one Huttball maatch there were 8....yes 8....Powertechs I had solo qued....we had no premade...the Imps had no premade....but....the Imps and their 8 Powertechs basically had everyone quit the warzone in less than 3 minutes Im a very experienced player....however in this match if you were a Republic player you were at 30% Health before you even reached the freaking 1st ramp in Huttball rofl Ive.never seen a pug dominate another pug like that in 10 years of pvping in MMOs...it was /brutal.....I would CC 2 of them and then get focused down by 3 other Powertechs in 5 seconds....was ridiculous imo-x

Just reactivated my Dark Age of Camelot account after taking a 1 year break......for those that dont know DAoC was voted to have the best PvP in any MMO...problem is its now 10 years old...they did a graphics update in 2008 and it still looks decent and easily handles 200vs200 battles wiith decent FPS if you have a decent comp. That being said Im all DAoC'd out....thats why Im giving SWtoR a try...but playing DAoC this weekend gave me my PvP fix....SwtoR has yet to do that and tbh never will. Our DAoC guilds progression will be Guild Wars 2 (alot of DAoC guilds are going to GW 2 since its basically DAoC 2.0)......and we might even check out Elder Scrolls online next year, the guy that co-designed DAoC is making that game

Oh so you never played Dark Age of Camelot? got it Open World RvR with 1vs1, 8vs8 roaming neither of those types of fights utilize heavy aoe Now sure the 200vs200 battles would use Pbaoe and Aoe...but when there.is ALOT at stake for the winner/loser, the intensity.factor makes up for it ......

^^^^^^THIS Im all for WoW players wanting Open World PvP....its much better than begging for arenas.......that being said, DAoC World RvR is the standard bearer for open pvp. I just reactivated my DAoC account last night.....huge battles everywhere,1vs1's...8vs8, 22vs12, 4vs3....etcetc....A huge 200 man Albion zerg attacking Hibernia with castles on Fire all over the map......in one night DAoC reminded me why its the best. This is why Guild Wars 2 is copying ALOT of DAoC....they know the PvP will be great. If SWtoR wouod implement just 20% of DAoC's endgame PvP. people would be praising them on these forums once they got to experience intense meaningful fights like that. And ofc Character Progression is the key...but it shouldnt be pvp for gear...it should be pvp for new abilities/titles/and e-peen

Just a fyi but I know that PvP is prevalent on many PvE servers. Ive pvpd in MMOs since 2002 and all I do is PvP. That being said I never play on PvP servers for one very simple reason, I perfer competitive PvP fighting players of equal skill and equal gear level. PvP servers provide an outlet for ganking lower level characters while they are questing, and to me thats not PvP thats just ganking someone lower level than you. The rare times I do participate in PvE and do a quest, I want to do the quest not get killed by someone 30 levels higher than me that I have no shot at beating. So trust me when I say this, alot. of players on PvE servers PvP...... In this game it is alot less likely to be ganked I know...but still Im sure there are noobs on PvP servers that are level 50 killing level 10's

The thing is Arenas are NOT the only serious competitive type of PvP in MMO's. DAoC had roaming 8vs8 that was....in one word....awesome. Highly competitive with people getting fired up IRL over the outcomes, these fights didnt take place in an "Arena" but in the regular world they called the Frontier. Guild Wars 2 is going to also have DAoC style Guild vs Guild roaming in WvWvW...plus 8v8, 5vs5, 2v2,1vs1 in what they call Structered PvP. This will seperate the men from the boys, WvWvW cuz you never know what your going to encounter and have to be ready for anything...and Structered PvP where all players have pretty much equal gear....so fights will be won by the guild with more skill, not better gear. Arenas are ok, but the way PvP in MMO's is shaping up now people are looking for new and improved PvP experiences

I just read your sig...it seems you are not aware of some very good MMO's that were/are driven by PvP/RvR. Dark Age of Camelots endgame is 99% PvP, yes there is PvE but people just do that to get gear for endgame PvP. Guild Wars 2 is going to be PvP driven MMO also, as they are copying ALOT of DAoC and seem to be implementing it correctly. Now in cookie cutter MMOs like WoW...yes PvP is an afterthought...just something to do between raids since there is NO epic 250vs250+ battles in WoW, PvP will never be the true endgame in that game.

No hes talking about Guild Wars 2...you wont win in GW2 due to gear, yes gear plays a factor with your stats ofc ....but pretty much everyone will be in equal gear...fights will be won with skill and tactics, not a gear advantage Sorta like DAoC....yes gear matters...but. gear is easily attainable so everyone has a fighting chance

I play a Sage and yea it took awhile to find the right spec......with the current spec I am I have decent survivabilty and heals plus decent single target and AoE damage. Its all about positioning and proper use of Crowd Control while playing a Sage

If you really think WoW "Owpen World PvP" is good.....my gawd man....I know WoW is a poplular game so posts like this dont suprise me...but DAoC by far has the best system for Open RvR, not even debatable. DAoC's ENTIRE endgame is open world rvr. Pretty sure open pvp in WoW was done cuz you got bored with questing or bgs....it sure wasnt the endgame That being said......SWtoR needs open world rvr by July 1st....any later and there screwed by GW2 bgs and huge 250vs250 battles over castles and keeps....and open world rvr smallman roaming will be competitive as well

The game your describing that you want exists, its called Dark Age of Camelot, the issue is that DAoC was released in 2002 and is now down to just two remaining servers due to its age and the lack of "new pve". But numerous online polls have named DAoC the best PvP MMO ever....I implore you too read the DAoC wiki, as it will give you an understanding of how communties came together for a common purpose in a 3 Factioned War of the Realms. The good news is this....Guild Wars 2 has copied ALOT of what made DAoC great The even BETTER news is this......the co-lead designer of Dark Age of Camelot just announced his new 3 Faction RvR game to be released in. 2013....its called Elder Scrolls online:)

Look man...Warhammer and DAoC have one thing in common...the term RvR. The designers that made DAoC did NOT make WAR, That is obvious from anyone that ever played the two games. Yes Mark Jacobs was Mythics CEO for both games....but thats where the similarity ends. Daoc was and STILL is waaaayyy better than WAR could dream of being. Point is Matt Firor was the brains behind DAoC.....a game that reached 300,000 subscribers in 2003....before WoW that was the high mark of MMO's. Now Matt Firor is. lead designer for Elder Scrolls Online...and if that game is 25% as good as Dark Age of Camelot it will be an awesome game. If you never got to play DAoC thats ashame, its PvP was unparrallel in intensity and fun factor.

Depends which game it is...Dark Age of Camelot, even though it has alot of PvE content like Trials of Atlantis, everyone plays that game for the RvR/PvP. Id bet 95% of the players still playing DAoC play for RvR/PvP only. Guild Wars 2 will be a HEAVY PvP game..they are actually copying alot of what made Dark Age of Camelot such a good PvP game. Id guess about 60%+ of the players going to GW2 are going for the PvP...will be same thing for the 2013 release of the Elder Scrolls 3 faction RvR game being developed by Matt Firor...co-designer of DAoC.

Ya thats why WoW is a horrible game for PvP. DAoC has BG's (warzones basically but no timer) from lvl 5-9,10-14....all the way up too lvl 45-49..then you graduate to big boy PvP and go out into the frontiers 4 warzones is horrible planning, period.

Im sorry but to the one guy in this thread that uses the purple text, you have no clue about GW2. It is the first MMO in years to not copy WoW, it is more like Dark Age of Camelot than WoW...and THANK GOD for that!! So GW2 really has no quests....it has a class quest and Dynamic PvE events, that and PvP is how you level up. What other MMO has a system like this?....Ill wait for that answer lol Its combat is innovative in that you can Dodge attacks/spells....there is NO gear grind (Thank God) and the PvP will be based on skill...not gear (Thank God).....its going to seperate the pros from the schmoes that think their good at PvP but really suck and only win due to gear advantages Both Guild Wars 2 and the new Elder Scrolls 3 Faction RvR MMO to be released in 2013 are going to dominate the MMO PvP market for years to come...and one big reason is that they are copying Dark Age of Camelot instead of kiddie WoW

Well ofc it will...his point is that its going to be the same old 4 boring Warzones.......seriously.if there is going to be NO Open RvR zones in this game, then they should have about 20 Warzones imo. New PvP games are releasing soon that in Beta already have more Warzones than Swtor, plus they have Open RvR with 200vs200 that you can go do when your premade isnt online......swtor needs to step it up and fast

Definitely BUYING this game Why you ask?....well....1st off its LEAD Designer is freaking Matt Firor, co-designer of Dark Age of Camelot, the best PvP MMORPG ever created (not in just my.opinion but also numerous online polls taken). Elder Scrolls MMO will have 3 Faction RvR just like Dark Age of Camelot, tons of classes like DAoC, and a "Frontier" for large scale RvR battles....Im stoked:)

This has to be a troll post right? GW2 is not cartoony at all, its pretty obvious you havent played the Beta OR hell even watched a video of the game People love to make stuff up on this forum Guild Wars 2 had depth to its characters...graphics were more "Adult" then Star Wars.....and the PvP is probably onky 2nd to Dark Age of Camelot in total awesomeness...so ya GW2 is going to be VERY good and take ALOT of players from all MMO's..not just Star Wars

Kamino or Bespin Cloud City

No I do not think.we are paying to Beta Test SWtoR. HOWEVER............it seems the Developers are having a major identity crisis with this game. Do they cater to the PvE Rading crowd or try and salvage Open World RvR to prevent MASSIVE bleeding of subscriptions when Guild Wars 2 is released. If they totally scrap World PvP/RvR, and only give PvPers 4-6 Warzones to play in.... the PvP playerbase will erode to nothingness. This is the only game I considered leaving DAoC for just because I grew upon Star Wars....however I love RvR/PvP and I cannot justify paying a subscription fee with subpar PvP and NO RvR in the game at all Im giving them until GW2 releases...I beta tested it last weekend and it's the closest MMORPG too Dark Age of Camelot that Ive ever played...which.is great:)

I know my 1st post isnt what you were looking for as 8 man ques and wotld pvp arent even in yhe.game yet...but I had to get that.off my chest. As. far as PvP as it stands now in Swtor, ai would like too see more "static" battlegrounds...say like you can.port there anytime and just PvP vs the other side. This Battleground would havr capturable Keeps/Castles/Spacestationetc....so say you and your guild port there and go try to ram the gates down to the station..only to find out there are already 8 enemies in there shooting down at you from the catwalks. Stealthers could "break in" and/or climb said bases walls and start trying to kill the healers and casters on yhe catwalks.......now in the meantime this could be an unlimited player count BG...so while there is fighting at the Center Base....you have roaming guilds of 8 cutting off reinforcements and taking on larger numbers......unpredictable fights make for intense action imo This can be implemented..isit new or groundbreaking PvP..no...but it sure beats yhe hell out of playing Arena style 24/7