How can I be flustered when I'm smiling? It's clear the two of you are here to troll. At any rate, this is where this conversation ends. Have a good day.

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Anyone else seeing a trend here?

Open yourself to suggestions from others? Certainly. That does not mean every suggestion is correct - much like you opening yourself to a murderer's suggestion to kill someone in cold blood. You'll have to understand the intent of my posts. My posts do not cater to the S-keying players who are still dragging 'Throw the Hutball' to their bar. I am posting with the idea of us fighting other, equally skilled players who knows my class' strengths and weaknesses. If I were to judge based off clueless players who PvP on the sideline, we might as well scream Deception is blatantly overpowered.

Concealment Operatives are among the few specs Deception has an upper hand against over Hatred and that's for obvious reasons (Roll). Darkness, however, would give it a run for its money. Deception is not superior overall when we talk about 1v1 vs most classes / spec. It should be. It isn't. No matter how creative you are, this game is ultimately still one dimensional. Only area Deception has an advantage over Hatred 1v1 is vs Operatives. That's hardly, overall, a superior 1v1 spec. For Deception? I'd say Surge around 75%, crit at 23 - 25%, accuracy at 95% and the rest power. No crit augments, only use the implants / off pieces to change around your stats. It's easier and cost efficient.

It's amazing 1v1 against unskilled players, undergeared pugs or unorganized group ranked play as is any player using a gimped spec versus unskilled players. Fallacious information by saying Deception is a reliable spec in PvP for any purpose. It's not. Both Darkness and Hatred can perform 1v1s better at the moment. ; saying the spec was fine by using results that are ultimately irrelevant.

Resolve augments are global regardless of spec. The smidge of crit isn't bad for Deception. Actually, Deception needs crit in its current incarnation. Around 23-25% I'd say. Now, Deception is not a sustained spec in PvP. Going this route is defeating its purpose. Leave that to its sister Hatred. Deception is meant as a small skirmisher that can quickly defeat unguarded or lone foes. Be warned: In its current form, it cannot even do this. Therefore, it needs as much burst power as possible but unlike Darkness, Deception gets no auto-crits so some crit is necessary.

The Stance. It is required to actually utilize the spec of Hatred

Also a fair and reasonable post!

Figuring this one out still. Need something comparable to live up to MadDay. My guess is that it will be a mixture. MaDDay vid was one of the most fun videos I've done in my life. Even during Madness' 'dark ages', some of us topped meters and got the job done. Especially in numbers.

I was just making a joke . You know my stance on Deception; it's just battling opinions seems a bit fruitless sometimes. Anyway I am serious about a Deception Day event. Think it'd be fun.

Listen, you guys are wrong. Deception is too strong and you have a perception problem. #DecepDay inc How about no. You guys have a perception problem. (Disclaimer: This is a joke!)

This post is literally perfect and honestly, I don't have much to add. I've seen many posts arguing that the spec is fine with experience from unorganized, pug or undergeared settings. While that may be some people's experience, (And honestly, who can't do that with any spec?) this is not the case against geared, half-brained people or in group ranked settings, aka the settings that actually matter. The spec's uselessness shines thoroughly against people who are on point and trying equally hard to win as you.

Guys, we're better than the bickering. The reason why Shapeless Spirit is not very useful is because our class is based around escapism rather than raw mitigation. Raw mitigation (with the exception of Sapped Mind in duels) is our last form of defense; therefore we aim to avoid being controlled as much as possible. (IE: Phase Walk, Force Cloak, Resilience, Dark Stability etc.) Shapeless Spirit is only truly good for tank tunneling. If you play your ShadowSin as intended, you shouldn't really be sitting in enough stuns to make this very useful since your main defense is avoiding damage as much as possible. The intent of the class was stated in this . 2015 has not change it in that respect, only evolved it. -- -- PvP Guide is still in the works.

0 Alacrity as Deception PvP 2-3% as Hatred 0 as Darkness

You guys q'd without my knowledge????? ((

Topic on PTS.

It's a good idea, maybe the best one yet.

Good post.

Buff Deception.

After some more testing since my post. It is as bad as my post is describing and I wish I were exaggerating. PTs can hit for 16k against fully geared opponents. This happened to me yesterday with energy burst and the PT that hit me with it didn't even have full Reaver gear. Deception is struggling to even land a 10k hit, wearing light armor, having no attacks outside 10m and being stupidly easy to kite and toss around with over dependency on its healer and team mates. Deception is awful. It is completely useless to its team and its solo capability is meaningless. The whole idea of 'Lone Wolf' also fails if this Lone Wolf cannot solo most classes / specs. Deception isn't even that good 1v1 as well. Again, this makes this spec questionably horrible and it's a shame to see how far it is fallen. It NEEDS more damage. It needs to do something beyond getting kited to hell and it even needs more survivability. No, this spec is not remotely close to balanced. It is underpowered, useless and serves no purpose in the meta game. Even if Hatred were nerf it wouldn't make a difference to this spec. Deception on its own does nothing good for a team and does nothing good on its own. PTS Thread. Buff Deception.

That's incredibly wrong. You do far less than 80% attacks as force. Leeching Strike, Assassinate, Thrash and Lacerate are all melee attacks and crucial to your Demolish procs. Can't get a demolish proc without melee, can you? Consulars have a base 10% dodge. The DPS loss on a missed LS or Assassinate is gigantic. You are gimping yourself with such low accuracy. Don't even get me started on Deception, which is far more Accuracy dependent. Did you come to these forums genuinely seeking help or are you satisfied with what you have? From the tone of the posts, I'm assuming the latter; which makes the entirety of this topic - irrelevant.

91% Accuracy is too low for any spec.

Cleave Specs are specs that put out pressure by dissolving the entire team. Tunnel Specs are specs that can put out more pressure by training 1 target.

Of course you can't find me. I didn't play this game for over a year. I was off playing actual competitive games, you should try them too. First thing to realize upon return is how hilariously easy this simple game is. What's more laughable is the fact that the previous season was the previous X-pac, making ratings irrelevant. (Solo q ratings, really? lol) Lacerate is spread pressure. Hatred is a cleave spec. Put 2 and 2 together, it's not hard.