And Fupy?

Deception is not sustained damage. Realize deception is meant for a 6-10 second encounter and for a quick and easy kill. You can't use surging charge without a stack? Terrible. Madness without the deathmarks that restore force? Terrible. I've parsed dps with 4-5 classes so far, and my friends have done all of them. Madness is among the lowest among our group of 5. Deception is near the bottom middle, and for darkness your damage reduction seems a bit off. It was extremely hard to keep me up when I was tanking scum & villainy. This happens when people complain about a class. Vanguards/Powertechs destroy everybody when they run right tree dps, and nobody says a thing. An assassin runs a hybrid and gets a kill and people cry for nerfs. Huh?

If you have time.....maybe add "Damage by Class" if that would be at all possible.

AoE melee ability can be useful in PvE/PvP. Phase Walk cool in PvP, and useless for PvE.

Partygurl hid my popcorn again.....

It wasn't that bad. We dominated the game. We owned the other team. They deserve what they got. They didnt have to stay in that match. They decided to stay, we got up 5-0 and decided that we wanted to hide up top so they couldn't get to us, nothing wrong with that. Its not that big of an issue. Its just us having fun. Lighten up chuckles.

^This. Playing Unc/Ld50 is an automatic loss most of the time for a pug group. Getting destroyed by them....not fun...

So its possible for people to get champion in two weeks? How is this possible? I'm maxed out on rep and i'm short 140 reputation. I still have 9 gree devices that grant me a large amount of reputation. Are people supposed to get champion their second week or is this "working as intended?" Edit: I meant to say Hero! I'm sorry about that. I should have been more clear. So this exploit isn't being looked into?

One day.......soon.....I will have a record.......

You can do it his way. I prefer to run 30% crit. Force Bonus damage is way too low. My primary damage reaches 1379. Power with madness works great. Deception you need a balance of crit and power. Also whats your rotation?

Knowing how to use your power is important. The only reason the emperor chose the warrior was because of the path. Also what credibility does a dead man have? The force is stronger in darth nox. Martial ability lies with the wrath. If you take a lightsaber away from a warrior you have a fighting machine. You take a lightsaber away from an inquisitor and the fight doesn't really change. The force is the inquisitors primary weapon. Fighting ability belongs to the wrath. In actual combat darth nox would win and the fight wouldn't even be close. Pure strength/martial ability vs deceptive/cunning mindset. Sorry wrath, we all know the devs got the stories wrong ;D.

Eh....I don't wanna :/ I find this thread entertaining.

Good question. But still LD loves destroying people. They are LD lol. The only person that I trash talk in say is some vanguard affiliated with LD. Other than that I just try to play.

I see the good tanks listed, but very few of them. Some of the teams I run into prefer 5 dps and 3 healers. 3 healers is tough business man. A good tank is great but just not a lot of them. I'm just not a fan of tanking mechanics in PvP.

I don't see guardian tanks at all anymore. I run into a few assassin tanks. But the teams I run with have 1 sin tank for guard swaps and the rest dps and healers. I still don't think they have a solid place in PvP yet. Vanguard tank does need tweaking. I do agree there. Also using the walk with the ball would be so cool. Super op. But cool.

They need to address tanks in this game. I feel like in PvP they don't have a place. Huttball you Still need to use 1 IMO, but some people may not see it. Jugs/guardians need a 10-15% damage increase. I really think that would be fair. Also giving a stealth class a teleport with RotHC is going to be huge. That sounds super OP. 45 sec cd may be too amazing.

LD 50 doesn't enjoy crushing people? Lulz

Nothing like trying to pick up a chick while wearing a dress.

I gotcha. I don't worry about surviving to be honest. It's not my job to survive, honestly that's the healers and tanks job. 6% can add up to me. I sacrifice all defense for more powah lol.

Wow. So much QQ and anger on this page. How about we all agree to disagree. My god it's really not that big of a deal. Let's just go back to PvP, and go back to good competition. Also where is damager?!?!? I need a decent madness assassin to run with

I have an assassin and I've never broken 7k. That hit is crazy.

We get phase walk!!!!! Oh yeah!!!!!

I run 10-14 specs per day. I prefer madness because all of the damage is force damage. I can stay at a good range. I just run all of them that way I can work on the advantage of all my abilities and learn what to use in certain situations. Like you hit me for 5k in AH because im running madness due to the insta ww. Deception is good, but I'd prefer concealment if I wanted a middle tree stealther.

A 30m double saber throw? Carnage is going to be nasty with an execute that can be used at anytime. And they also are getting a bigger window to do damage. I don't have much hope vas. I just think ops/scoundrels will be the better stealthers this patch. I just want a defensive for my sin. More would be great.

The nerfs have already been made.