What has BW done that makes you think there will ever be decent OWPVP or RVR in this game? Nearly everything they have done since launch has been a terrible mess. This is a PVE game. We should have all accepted that when we saw the slide show that was Ilum.

They are fixing this in 1.2 right? No? I get new WH stuff instead.. Wonderful and some new speeders. Brought to you by the same devs that brought us stunhammer online...er offline.

PVP servers you are perma flagged. Too bad that they made nearly all the questing areas separate. Huh? Yeah that is a great idea, lets make it really hard for people to find each other? Brilliant, nearly as bright as the world of Ilum. I honestly don't think they want pvpers anymore. There is no reason to play a Pub. At least the IMP side you felt like you were in a war. As an IMP I feel like I am part of some UN mission to save some 3rd world country from starvation. Faction Vs Faction works great when the sides are equal not 5:1, 4:1 3: or even 2:1 What people should be looking at in the patch is what they did not address instead of all the pretty wrapping paper they put on the big box of blah.

Not before some other games come out from the sounds of it. After you 1000th huttball match it won't matter anyway. Server merges are the beginning of the end for a game.

The engine simply cannot handle real open world pvp or RVR for that matter. Ilum when hopping would have two instances. Same world but neither had influence over the other so they might as well have been two different planets. The game was not designed around RVR or open world pvp. To expect them to change the game to add this is simply unrealistic. We were told we would get revolutionary new pvp that would blow our doors off, what we got was an old donkey pulling a cart of manure.

Mythic who brought us DAOC which was supposed to be good. I never played it. I wonder what happened to the devs that created that pvp world? EA's next game will be the Muppets VS. Transformers. I wonder which side will get the most action?

Cross posting in forums is a no no....Isn't one thread enough? If you have not had enough huttball then you should seek medical attention.

Who you ask? The same folks that brought you Ilum. Need I say more?

Have you been in games where they merge servers? It is the beginning of the end. Other games it creates new levels of in faction issues. However in this heavily instanced game it might not be a big deal. They don't have a copy mechanism in place to get people to the PTS server so how could they merge servers? It is amazing that WOW can run Ogrimar with many hundreds of players smoothly and if you get around 90 in fleet on a good box you start to see lag.

We might take BW more seriously if they had ever bothered to interact in this forum. The only thing we get is moderators. Where is the 2 way communication, explanations, comments, anything? All we get are crickets. And then they want me to test their game? Really? Get serious BW.

Same faction fighting makes no sense. Was an easy cop out for the devs who build a game around one faction and threw together another side and it looks that way. This is a PVE game and will never be anything more. There is nothing wrong with that. Most of the Real PVPers have already left the building or are doing so now with the complete failure to address most of the pvp issues in the game. Adding another box game is hardly a fix and adding more cross faction games only makes the game more one sided that it was if possible. I had fun with many of the story lines. Had to play far too much huttball than I wanted. leveled up toons to enjoy the story lines having to run the same boring pve content over and over again. The answers to the quests had absolutely no bearing in game other than to grant dark and light points. Parts of the game that really have no impact. It is like valor but it seems like they forgot about it half way through the process and don't know what to do with it now. To be honest this is a single player game where other people happen to wander by. The servers I played on from launch never had many on in the questing areas, it was almost like they were sharded so that only 4 or 5 people might be on at the same time. Another game that got a lot right but a whole bunch more wrong. And once you lose your integrity, ie Ilum and Valorgate, the players will never trust you again. Not to mention that little issue with the hacking that has been swept under the rug.

The gear was about the only thing left to do. Running warzones over and over and over again get boring. I don't know how people do it day in and day out. There needs to be some meaningful RVR or open world stuff to keep people. People are leaving because they are bored or unhappy. Big old sledgehammer nerfs will do that too.

When did SWTOR get hunters?

Wow they are all terrible. They all look like robot or transformers variants. I see that they still love blah brown for the pubs and the pub outfits are a total disaster. If you don't think there is bias in the factions all you need to do is look at this mess. Not that the Imps are that great but the pub stuff is hideous. Sage PVP gets the Fred Flintstone Grand Poobah's hat? Seriously? The more I see the more I am glad my sub ends tomorrow. Most of the people I saw in game were not 12 years old. Maybe I was just lucky. Does the demographic really want stupid cartoon looking toons?

Nearly all the classes were changed. Even subtle changes can have an undesired effect. I am not debating one class over the others. Sounds like more people are upset over happy though. What I don't like is there is very little if any explanation on why certain changes were made and what they expect to see from the changes.

pvp should be simply decided by RNG. /end thread

Faction balance. Period. The Pub side was unfinished and rushed when they were told or decided to launch the game. Obviously the game was not really ready. The Imp side you feel like a part of something. The pub side you feel slimy like you are helping a bunch of crooks. Pub is supposed to be the good side yet there are more dirty pub quests and npcs than you could imagine. The imps get really cool shiny ships and the pubs get ugly brown patched bucket of bolts to fly around. Pub armor for Jedi is ugly brown robes, no personalization, no flair, just ugly and they throw rocks. More same faction WZ's just make the problem worse. Everyone should just roll Imp and they can turn off the pub side and move on.

The logs will be available on your chat window and on your computer in a log file. They say the files could get large and that you may need to delete the logs from time to time.

Players lie. I see so much BS on every class about how terrible they are when they really aren't. Nobody likes nerfs, I get that. Why do devs love nerfs and CC? Why not start with a lower baseline of damage and skills and build up instead of starting and the peak of damage and continually carving the top off the mountain?

Have you tried to jump? Also stun the receiver.

Class balance? They changed a ton of things. We will not know for a month if those changes were for better or worse. I am concerned they tried to do too much. I think many of us thought the balance was fairly good with a few, few, few , few tweaks needed and it appears they took the wrecking ball out in a number of cases. Warzones are pvp mini games. One more is no big deal. I don't know how people can play them all day long everyday and not be bored to tears. Ranked....For the scoreboard watchers which are many to gauge their epeen. It is not about skill it is about ego. I just don't see much to get excited about.

What I want to know is why people don't use the spell checking plug ins for their browsers..... The devs promised us nirvana and we got the cesspool. Other parts of the game were done very well. This game has taken MMO gaming back instead of forward. Too bad. It is starting to make STO look good which was a another bomb.

A huge list of fixes, mostly minor and a whole bunch of class changes. PTS forums are full of nerf QQ. Is anyone really happy with the changes? It doesn't appear that they fixed the animation with the pub toons at all. I saw mention of fixing timing issues for imp classes. More WZ's to me does not fix the pvp and more same faction pvp just makes it worse for the pubs. Nothing earth shattering in the patch notes to me.

Apparently you have to farm or grind to have fun? People stop playing because they are not having fun, not because there is some magic end game piece.

With the number of servers you would not have enough players to fill all the brackets until they come up with cross server queuing. I agree that the pvp would be better is there were more brackets and everyone should get sprint at lvl 10. I don't understand the need for BW to time grief us as much as they do. Way back when we used to pay by the hour or minute. Not now so why all the time sinks? It just wastes peoples precious time.