Their job is to make BW money by creating PvP. Thus they are doing a good job. The fact that there are so many posters on the PvP forums can be construed as evidence that they are actually doing a good job. It's not some people complaining, it's a horde of people complaining. This means a horde of people are playing PvP. If PvP sucked as bad as people claimed then people would not be playing instead of complaining. They complain because it's decent, they just want to get over the obstacles that exist. There is a difference. You implied it. Additionally half the people on this thread are asking for exactly that and since those people also read these posts I felt it was needed.

I don't think sage/sorcs are overpowered or underpowered, I think they are quite fine where they are. I will get flack for this but it doesn't matter because when it comes down to it in the game, I will be killing sage/sorcs and those who can't won't. The truth is, chances sages/sorcs get nerffed aren't very high. Nothing they do is over the top or unmanageable. Basically you are going to have an epic epeen battle between people who think the sage/sorc is OP and those who don't on the forums, but really it doesn't matter because the ones who makes the decisions and changes in the game are BW, not the forum screamers. If you think for one second that BW takes whatever is spouted on this forum to heart without checking it out themselves first, you are mistaken. You can come on here every day, cry, moan, and make yourself feel better, you can figure it out and get better, or you can quit the game and go find something you enjoy. The endless moaning about the same thing over and over and over again is just making you look foolish. Again, yell at me all you want, but when it comes down to it: I will be in the game killing sages/sorcs and you will be on the forum crying with no outcome.

According to whom? PvP isn't bad, it's just not as good as you want it. And as all anybody does on this forum is focus on the negatives, this is a purely biased and out of proportion point of view. Simply put, both the PvE and the PvP are making them monies. Thus they did their job and should keep their jobs. Additionally, to fire them and hire a whole new team would take tons of ramp up time and money to train and get them used to the system, learn the code, etc etc. Thus all firing them would do is make you wait LONGER for fixes and up your subscription costs. Think before you speak. I'd say less than 1% of the population in this forum "knows how the real world works"

Bump for break from the Ilum issues

Updates are in, keep them coming. I guess can I request a sticky or something from a moderator? Is that even possible?

The second one was said. That first one is amazing, I'm a shadow and had no idea. I'm glad I made this thread now cause now I'm learning a lot haha. Thanks for the tips, that is definitely juicy information you let the community know.

This seems like it could be an exploit and I'd rather not risk getting the thread closed due to posting an exploit.

I don't disagree with you per se, but there are existing threads that talk about the versatility of consulars/inquisitors vs other classes in Huttball already and I'd rather keep any debates about balance to other threads.

Lots of additions, this is good. Give me a lil to get them updated. Also I don't know how to request a sticky, anybody have any ideas?

Mind crush will not change for you. The changes are in skills up the balance tree which you do not have access to as infiltration spec.

Just FYI, being in Combat Technique doesn't make you any "Less Squishy" other than the minor heals you get from the technique proccing. Armor doesn't do anything in PvP as MOST abilities bypass it. If you have tech mastery then sure you get an extra 9 resistance, but really there isn't a big difference as far as survivability between the two (the other being shadow technique). Also the only thing the "nerf" does is make it so you can't stance dance mid fight. If you were stance dancing MID FIGHT then you were doing it wrong anyway. YOu can still stance dance in stealth and get back all of your force quickly, that isn't done. I would still use combat technique to guard players when defending a node or getting medals. Otherwise shadow technique ftw. Also Balance is now OP as anything, I'd go balance before inf or kinetic.

I've been playing Balance Shadow for a bit now and wrecking in WZs. I was unaware that we needed to be buffed lol. IMO this will make us OP straight up. We shall see though, I look forward to none stop force breaching to reach 300k dmg with my eyes closed. FiB + FB x 3 = infinite force?

Updates Added

Good additions, I'll make updates soon

Was thinking about this the other day with Cybertech grenades. I agree that should be obtainable via PvP. Doesn't have to be easy to get, just somehow obtainable.

SUPER HIGH FIDELITY SECRET!: Skills and Abilities >>>>>> Gear. People are so blatently blind or ignorant it's amazing. Did you even read my post? Let put it this way, as a 49 I could utterly destroy a level 10 with HALF of his health. If you gave me 6khp against level 10s I'd still utterly destroy them. I have so many more abilities and things to both survive, CC, dmg, etc. that the level 10 can't do anything regardless of stats. Super FAIL!

PvP is not competition, they are not synonymous. Competition is PvP, but PvP is not competition. Just like a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square. Additionally, Mike Tyson vs. Stephen Hawking in a boxing match IS competition. Competition just means you are "competing" against someone else. Competition does not imply fairness, which you are inferring.

Would like some support getting this some views as it falls off the first page so fast. It's a legit attempt at something constructive and helpful in a forum that is devoid of guides save 2.

I'm not sure how to respond to this other than you are wrong lol. The statement: "True PVP Players are people who rely on skill to win" is straight up wrong. That is your OPINION of what a true pvp player is. You could say something like "I only respect players who combat each other where the only contributing factor to the outcome is skill." Which is fine and I would back you on that. But your above statement is purely wrong. PvP is literally and only a person(s) vs. a person(s). Everything else is a FORM of PvP.

You mean a 20% loss in subscriptions in 2 months? 80% retention doesn't mean anything if you don't attached a time frame to it.

Bump for a break from rants and crying!

Where is the definition for "True PvP" or "Real PvPers" that shows what you are claming? Are you sure this isn't just your opinion? Did the OPs post try and prove anything?

Bump for new players!

Truth, and apparently you have to reply to something to rate the thread. What a fail system for rating. If you like this thread REPLY to it and RATE it at the bottom.

A) could you show me the definition of constructive feedback where it says you need open dialogue, because I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist. B) In addition to constructive feedback it is also for constructive DISCUSSION with fellow players of the game.