Like you both, I am also content with my 1.2 Commando. PvP and PvE wise. We should all head on over to SWTOR mechanics and start listing our damage on fights and the breakdowns. I'm always trying new things to make myself better - most of the whiners need to adapt, thats their real problem.

There will of course be the perfect 8 man set-up. That set-up, in my oppinion will use a commando due to our burst ability. However, the larger the group, the more room for error, and the less impact an individual class will actually make. Empirically, our DPS is fine compared to other classes. Using vacuum testing (dummies). We will see how the best rated team goes and what they have.

Probably because there are 2 tanks doing DPS as well. No need to hate dude.

For anyone that cares. In SM 8 man these were the DPS figures for our raid. Take these with a grain of salt, as when we are learning fights, people are not as switched on to their DPS rotation as with farmed Bosses. Toth and Zorn: Myself: 963 DPS Sent: 865 DPS Sage: 858 DPS Sent: 857 DPS Stormcaller Firebrand: Myself: 1016 DPS Sent: 1016 DPS Sent: 888 DPS Sage: 772 DPS

I have nfi what you're going on about with the word "concept." I asked you, the whinging individual to give empirical proof as to why Commandos are dead. You have not done so, and instead start linking meanings of PvP from wikipedia and talking about "concept". When will the bads learn, that no one will take them seriously if they do not give actual evidence. Evidence is not "omg a mara beat me 1v1."

Fongers understand the concept of PvP in this game! Each class provides a role, more in depth than simply DPS, Tank, Healer.

Oh wow, so you cant bring in any sort of math. Any mechanics changes. You argue about the semantics of Pvp. NEWSFLASH - this game utilises the concept of organised PvP and that is outlined by the 4 warzones that have 2 teams of 8. THIS GAME WILL NEVER, EVER, BE BALANCED AROUND 1V1. EVER. I can't give you a quote from a dev. BEcause the devs would never need to say something to damn obvious. If you want to argue a point, bring up some facts. I have some great numbers of me on practice dummies, in WZs (where there were 4 premades in the WZ). All you have said is Commandos suck, we get ***** in a 1v1 with maras, and that you're only gonna log onto it in order to RP. GIVE US SOME HARD FACT. People need to understand also that we do not need to top damage in a WZ to be the best - our Burst is quite good, and that will be more than enough reason to have at least one of us in a rated WZ team.

So what has changed in our survivability specifically? That sounds like a problem to do with maras being overly strong (that's my oppinion, theyve been made easier to play and they didnt need to get touched at all). PvP is not about 1v1 either. Balancing a game about 1v1 is just going to lead to total homogenisastion.

I have a gunnery specced commando, a guardian and a sage at 50. All 3 are BM titled, one is nearly a WH. I have cleared all NiM content prior to 1.2, and have nearly cleared SM EC (ran out of time). Apart from your horrible language skills, I'm honestly struggling to understand what you are writing. So far you have just told me survivability has been nerfed, you havnt said how. Then you tell me to read other posts. News to you champ, 90% of the posts on this forum are whining responses to changes backed up by ZERO FACT.

My understanding is that survivability has hardly been touched. Re-itemisation of BM gear. But thats about it. But that happened to everyone. I'm not sure what your problem is then?

Lexb, can you go to a boss dummy, DPS it for 3-4 minutes, then post your numbers? My numbers were more than acceptable.

Sounds like QQ to me. He's whinging about a PERCIEVED flaw. Not even a real one. Thats worse than the people complaining about stuff thats IN THE GAME, that they dont like. EDIT: Correct the original etymology of the term "QQ" has since changed and diversified so that it can also be defined as crying/whinging/complaining (generally with no fact to back it up). If you want, you can keep arguing the semantics of it, but that wont change the fact that the defintion has evolved - it happens with many colloquialisms.

Full Auto - 109 000 - 34% Grav Round - 90k - 28% Demo Round - 55 500 - 17% HiB - 32 000 - 10% HS - 22 000 - 7% Trinket - 7 000 - 2% Mortar Volley - 5 000 - 1.5% Total DPS time was 258 seconds. DPS was 1 242. Full raid buffed. No adrenal, no other debuffs. Im testing some **** out, but as of right now, people will need to have HS in their rotation. Peak DPS was around 1300 though, bit of a drop off at the end when I wanted to get out of combat.

AFAIK theyre immune to taunt for a short period after leaping. Could be wrong thoughm

Stop being bad. Gunnery is not ruined. It is so viable, it's hilarious to hear when bads say its been ruined.

I can confirm that my alt who is a commando does approximately 1200-1300 on the commando, with no other debuffs other than my own. Since replaced a few pieces, so Im gonna go test now. Each time I tested, the fight was for 5-6 minutes. Last night in SM EC, I was consistantly the highest damage. Measure 1000 DPS on TnZ and the tank bosses. That being said, we were learning the fights, so DPS was not our main focus.

You're an imbecile OP. Don't make a QQ thread when what you're QQing about isnt even an issue.

Jeez guys, Tier 2 content is tier 2. You cant just waltz into it and one shot everything (even though, we, an average guild, one shot first boss on 8 man SM). Wiping is apart of raiding. Get good.

Well I'm in a pretty average raid team. I read up a few strats, told my tanks to stand with backs to the walls, split the raid into 2 groups of 4, everytime the two bosses jumped on each other, the groups would switch. We one shot it, there really wasnt much to it. We're full rakata, but honestly, we're nothing special, if it was any easier that would of been sad. We decided to see SM content then try the HM.

No one cares dude, it's been mentioned before. Add your thoughts onto any of the 100 other threads that are discussing the same thing.

It wasnt me that posted it chump. There seems to be a bunch of players that cry "TROLL!!!" at the sound of anyone with a different POV. I agree with your so called troll. It is perfectly fine as it is. This game gears you up too quickly IMHO, and you guys want it to happen quicker. Protip - use the search function or even google before making another useless thread. I'll even help you out: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=swtor+normal+operations+loot

Just do Hard Mode. Then you divvy out your loot. Normal mode loot can be gotten in 4 mans, it's not supposed to be too special.

Meh, they always do that for some reason. It's like they intentionally set out to get things incorrect or flawed. There were a number of things like this is South Parks make love, not warcraft as well. They also do it in their AoC episode too.

And murders Luke.

Erm, Dont know about you, but HiB and FA are in my rotation as a gunner. I would imagine that missing them would amount to significant DPS loss. However, I'm only speculating here, I dont see many misses being <100%