Updated.

Alright, everything should be up to date again. If I missed anything, please let me know. I promise I don't secretly hate you! Also, will update the OP so it isn't so terrible looking on Tues probably.

Tatooine Royal Navy - Republic NMTFB - The Writhing Horror 6/12 5:13pm http://i.imgur.com/ffJRsKz.jpg

I'm using my Beret and my Infiltrator!

You would use a UTC timestamp like so: http://i.imgur.com/7Ntix18.jpg All kills in the world progression thread require that. From the world progression thread on how to do it:

Updated the OP with this: Skipping the Dread Guard Council (or any other boss) is not allowed. If you skip them, any progression you make after them WILL NOT BE COUNTED. You will NOT be banned from the thread or anything crazy. If you decide to skip them and get gear, you will be allowed to kill them next week for progression. Yes, I'm aware this message is obnoxious. Need to make sure everyone sees it, though. I hope people see it.

lol. Alright, sounds like we are gonna ban all skipping for progression. If you skip a boss, you forfeit any progression for that week. You are NOT permanently banned from the thread or anything, so if you want to skip for loot purposes and come back and try and get progression next week, that's fine.

What we were thinking was just trying to kill it. If we decide its actually impossible, wait for a hotfix. If that fix doesn't come by Sunday or Monday, just skip it and kill the last few bosses for gear (but not progression credit). And then try again next week.

Yeah, we (TRN) are gonna go ahead and vote to completely ban skipping content for the purposes of this thread, for the same reasons that he pointed out. I'll give it a bit longer to see what some more guilds have to say, but it looks like skipping is not going to be allowed at all.

Thats 4 for completely banning skipping. TRN is just now starting to discuss it, but it looks like we are gonna decide to vote against all skipping as well.

Two votes for completely banning skipping. What guild are you in? Just for my reference.

So thats one vote for completely banning skipping bosses. I tend to agree with this. Waiting to hear from some more guilds before I decide.

Updated the OP to say I'm considering adding new rules for skipping bosses. Also updated with Hatred's WH kill. Congrats.

I'm considering the following rules for skipping bosses: You are allowed to skip bosses for the main progression. Your progress would look like this: [WH][DG][Op9][KU][TFB] Super Awesome Guild 6/12 2:41 Obviously, any guild that gets a full clear will pass you on the progression. If you skip the DG, your guild forfeits the rights to that kill for the week. If you go back and beat them with your alts or your b-team, you will not get credit. If you skip a boss, any kills you get after that boss won't count in the Individual Boss Kill Order section. Discuss. EDIT: Sounds like some guilds are suggesting completely banning the skipping of bosses entirely. I'm happy to do this if thats what the community wants, let me know what you and your guild thinks!

Are tanks in other guilds not attacking the dps target and just tanking their dudes off to the side? That is a massive DPS loss if people are doing that. Tanks should have almost 100% uptime on the dps target except for during the final phase when they are leeched.

Updated.

From the world progression thread, can anyone corroborate this? Also, updated.

Yep, can see that from the gear drops shown in your chat in the top right corner. Congrats on the clear.

Due to the delayed patch, I'll be tracking kills for the rest of this week for HMSV/HMTFB. Keep in mind that HMTFB shares a lockout with NMTFB, though. Make sure you gets your kills posted before the 18th. Also, still waiting on the screenshot from Pax Fatalis.

The damage is much higher on 16 man. Also, at least in the stream I was watching, their Shadow tank was super slow and the WH was spitting 2-3 times. When I ran it (on 8-man) I was able to get to her with 0-1 spits, depending on how far she was. That is what the higher skill cap means. Vanguard and Guardian can just press their leap hotkey without knowing where she is and be fine. Shadow has to find her, and manually run to her with Force Speed. Which works just fine if your Shadow is a quick player, but causes problems if they are slow (or lagging out, I guess).

Most of the complaining on the PTS forums was about 16 man, which I have no personal experience to comment on. I can tell you that Shadow is just fine in 8-man right now. Just pop your dodge CD when the second regulator spawns, and if your DPS are the slowest people in the world, pop your damage reduction/healing CD if you are still tanking two after 15 seconds. If you are seeing more than one AoE spit on the WH (on 8-man at least... it might be faster on 16, idk) then your Shadow tank is just slow.

Updated the OP to try and explain my stance on guild kills vs PUG kills. Its gotten way to complicated trying to assign hard and fast rules on what ultimately ends up being somewhat subjective. Run Ops with your guild members, don't use ringers, and you'll be fine. The goal of the guild kill rules is to discourage foul play, not to create hoops to jump through for legitimate guilds trying to show off their progress. The only rule that will absolutely always be enforced is that your screenshots need to show all 8/16 people involved in the kill.

Grats on the clears. Updated.

Good rule. I'll add it. It'll be up to the community to point out if you see someone break it though. There is no way I'm going to track every single progression character on the server. The only exception will be if the original guild disbands. Don't want anyone getting locked out of a tier because their guilds falls apart.

The spreadsheet isn't shared, no one can view it.