the best it's when a person that say he likes "sandbox" (the timesink heaven) come in a themepark saying "themepark sux" and then complain about the few timesink (sanbox style) walking back and foward no fast trip is the essence of sandbox (EVE and the super boring jump it can take 45 minuts to go from one side to another) people have no clue at all of what they are talking about and honestly they dont know what they want they only know how to complain because they pay so they feel entitled to complain... it's like i pay the university so i have to pass the exam because i pay. if you have no clue on how to enjoy yourself don't blame it all on the devs they want your 15$ that's true but believe me if you quit your sub they won't die or beg you to stay your 15$ aren't God. They do provide a service that is somewhat commisured to the 15$ (2 movie ticket) i understnad you pay 250$ a month.... pathetic.

when the world is too big because is useless when is to small because is too small when is full because the mobs are all too close to eachother when there are to few because player have to fight for a mob when they move because they are not always in the same spot when they are in the same spot because they don't move when it's a time sink because there are timesink where there aren't time sink because they missed time sinks and it's too short when there are minigame because there are minigame when there aren't minigame because there aren't minigame when it's casual firnedly because it's casual friendly like crafting when it's complicated becuase it's too complicated when there is long text to read because there is long text to read when there is voice because there is voice when u skip the text because there is no story they will never make it right no matter what they do someone will complain. btw i work as desiner/programmer/architect and i can tell you space is never wastes useless space has always a meaning you may not understand it but there is a reason techincal reason/structural reason/flexibility reason

it's like compare a car "race simulation" with a coin-up two different game that appeal two different person obviously one that love car simulation will enjoy the other one even if he will find it "easy" or "tone down" on the other hand who love the easy car driving style will not really appreciate the other one... so if you picture it as 3 bubble scheme bubble A very big wow crafter pubblic (coin up) bubble B small SWG crafter pubblic (simulator) if you make a BUBBLE C (STWOR as it is now) will incule all bubble A and 1/4 of bubble B if you were going to do a BUBBLE C (swtor similar to SWG) you would include all the small bubble B and a tiny 1/20 of bubble A Economically speaking doing a crafting system similar to SWG IN A THEMEPARK it's wrong THIS DOESNT MEAN YOU CAN DO A LAME COIN UP CRAFTING SYSTEM if u have to do it do it RIGHT!... (and SWTOR it's "easy" but still kind of lame if you ask me) they should make it EASY and ACCESSIBLE but retain the meaningfullness and right now SWTOR craft have little to no meaning.

honestly it all come down to choice and how people play... first of all is: "why in the world the final objective of an MMORPG is gear and not fun it's beyond me." people that say "it's faster to do it in PVP but they hate pvp" and people that say "it's faster to do it in PVE and they hate pve" and they still do what they hate just because it's faster are (pardon my french) moron. Game are about "fun" not about "speed reaching the end" because when it ends it ends and then complaining complaining that they don’t have much to do... don't you see something extremely stupid here? This said I am all about gear NOT being the real deal in PVP. I don’t care if you call it expertise or T2 or whatever... gear doesn't have to be nor the goal nor the reason to play PVP. Gears are, have been, and always will be the reason for PVE the progression is PVE progression through a pre-programmed content linear progression unidirectional... PVP it's something else it's 2...3... directional once swing on repubblica side once on imp... PVP is about creating a flexible environment where the player fill it up with content. (that's why i see it personally very RP oriented unless you play an MMO as you would play an FPS) ergo GEAR on pvp are not PVP are the translation of what work in PVE right into PVP it's a lazy move, it's lack of any imagination and lack of programming genius, and most important IT DOESN'T WORK... it creates a frustrating enviroment that make you lose costumer on the long run and keep away new customers...

RPG are about the story not about the killing 90% of the people that disagree about the OP statment... are playing the wrong game they should look at FPS with persistent world go on BF3 and complain that they need to evolve into a more persistent world becuase that's the game you want RPG since his origin it's always been about the story and the INTERACTION with it. The feeling of beeing part of the story and modifying it with your decision. Unfortunately the big number of player are too... how can i say... without beeing to offensive... are too... too... "simple" and they just like to smash button on a keyboard and they call skill some "reflex" based ability mixed with the capacity of reading/understanding what a skill is about You dont need much more to be PRO in a MMORPG... you have to know your skill (reading involved) and you need to have reflex(good ping help) and waste hours and hours and hours and hours in rinse and repeat to train ur reflex (reading 5% reflex 95%) that's the so called celebrate and powerfull SKILL that many are proud to possess... can be reached by a monkey well trained. That's not what a MMORPG should be but that's what people want did u read this thread many want more monkey action better monkey action... nobody honestly have a clue or can imagine anything a little more complicated then that... dear god they even complain when you make them walk a little to much or make them wait too long to hear an explaination for a quest. The MMORPG are doom but because of the public not becuase of the devs it's the comunity that murdered the fun in the MMORPG And personally i am not talking about sandbox or that disturbing belive that freedom=fun (that is so wrong)... freedom is fun IF and only IF people are up for the challenge (and big numbers NEVER ARE) if they give you a ball and tell you do whatever u want.... can you come up with an exaiting game like soccer? if they give you a wood stick and a small ball and tell you do whatever u want can you came up with something intresting to do? RULE make the games RULE are fun... they make the FUN most of the time! People (except rare exception) need to be taken by end to have fun and that's why themepark works wwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better then sandbox... but there still has to come a themepark well made that put the person inside a story for real where your choise matter not only for yourself but for your guild and for the all server...

yeah right people is so stupid that the have no clue how to play anymore and it's bioware fall... honestly i only see in the video people that is defective and not the game... the game oesn't do much to "FORCE" people to actually play... obviously now we want the game to force us to play nice... and why not to educate us to be sportplayer... and why not to solve 3th world starvation. If i use a knife to kill a person it's not the knife to be blamed. If people use Illum in a moronic way i don't get why we keep blaming Illum you want bioware to make a CAGE where the only thing you can do is the right thing because you as player otherwise can't do anything right... I understand that the game it's for kids but i was hoping in a maturity slighly better then a 12yo kid

you play way too much... and true i don't give a *** what you do with your time but I am just simply answer to your life-threatening problem "there is nothing to do on my videogame" 60$ + some other small munth fee does not necessary have to provide 12 hours of entrataining evreyday for X(infinite) days. a) you get what you pay.... you can't expect full day entratainment for 15$ a month hell have u ever been to a cinema? try to put thing in proportion b) get a life... for real... there is much more then play a videogame 6/8/10 hours a day... and if u are disable I assure you there are many other things you can do worth to try even if u are stuck at home force at your computer... People need to get a reality check

Only way i have to make a woman do exactly what i want ^_^ i actually name her as my wife so i get to boss her around other then that I just like way more to see the cinematic of a girl rather then a guy!!! obviously 100% of the time my "female" char is lesbian.... it's a pitty in SWTOR she can't be then she will just stay single. the way i feel and see MMORPG or any other game that is RP... it's me taking control of a character it's not me BEEING that character but me beeing a god/virus/voice in her mind/ that create a dialogue with the character giving her advice and reasoning with her to make choises i never ever feel i am the character i am playing that's why i can't play first person game i always have to play 3th person

once u estabilished your playerbase as WOW did once you play over and over the card of new raids+new gears for 1...2...3...4... expansion you have to understand that it's time to come out with something new. you have to have balls and Blizzard lost them long time ago as example Apple did Iphone (june 2007)...> Ipad (april 2010) you may hate apple or hate his products but they know how to hold a business how to evolve how to stay succesfull... Same with google kept evolving (he did even some false step google TV but once you are estabilished like WOW is or like GOOGLE you can afford some false step in order to remain succesfull) you can't just sit as WOW did on his own style... can you image a wow that mutate and start allowing people to build city conquier territory etcetc... WOW lost his train 2 year ago failed to EVOLVE when he was at his highest and people were most forgiving now it's just dieing it's not too late to evolve but "almost"

I am sorely disappointed with the people that is sorely disappointed they never come up with anything intresting to say more or less is a copy of what they read in any other MMO after the sorely disappointment we all had in WOW all the new disappointment "walls of text" are pretty much a copycat This one has no immage no hyperlink when nowday if you write a sorely disappointed wall of text it's a must to add some image are we in 2004???????... honestly i see no spoiler tag used either. A spoiler here a spoiler there help to keep the attention span on track... we lack the basic here and don't come with the excuse "WOW disappointness had 7 years to build up..." you may have had only 1 month but it's 2012 we exepct only thing better then what we had before. Lets face it... this is the end of the world as we know it.

i think depend on the pc you have too... i get 2 second after cutscene before the enemy attack me my friend with a worst pc get out the cutscene 2 second after me right when the battle start

my month expired yesterday... (i didnt preorde it's just wrong in my opinion) and I bought couple of day AFTER the game was out AFTER i checked a couple of review and read a little the forum... I have made 8 char on 3 differe (3+2+3) server 3 I already deleted 3 and parked 2 i found the right server and i have 3 character on that server LVL 20 LVL23 LVL24... in one month i have not done 50 and i feel i rushed too much already i dont play a lot but i feel i play more then i should already. hoenstly about the people that are leaving because sitting at 50 bored, I am happy they are leaveing and they won't be missed. I rather play in a server with 50 people then 5000 rushers.

I would love a wait to stop my XP I have so many quest left and i am outlvling the area.

yeah it's annoying in 2012 still hear the 2008 excuse "eyes only see 30fps" people should refresh their wikipedia knowledge once every 2 year at least..

for our firend with "alien" eyeballs try to check this out and tell me if u cannot say the difference between 30fps and 60fps http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html one thing is a static image/object one thing is an image/object moving one thing is a real object (real light doesn't have a refresh time) one thing is an image on a screen stop saying that human eyes only see 30fps until you understand the difference between all those listed above and how they change ur optic perception (and how input are processed in your brain) saying human eyes only see 30fps it's like saying my car has 4 wheel that doesn't explain why one go 200mph and the other one 100mhp one is better for offroad one not... all it does make it to make you look you get your knowegdge on wikipedia.

I don't get why we have to give up and compromise... why if the internet it's full of jerks we have to "live with it" Honestly no I don't have to live with it and I don't want to live with it. Really what pisses me off, second only to the "bad attitude" of a great portion of the player, is the "live with it" attitude of the rest of the people. There is a problem there has to be a solution it may not be easy it may not depend on us it may not come "for free" but there has to be a solution we are not talking about 3rd world starvation or great depression... We are talking about having ONE server where people reach the standard of civil respect where even if it's funny to say "woman belong in the kitchen" you do say it only if you have 100% certainty that the other people in your group won't take it the wrong way... (and you don't say it in global, that's easy enough!) Some people it's really too tight over "casual chatting" (actually it does make me laugh the kitchen stuff) quoting Ferris Bueller "Pardon my French, but Cameron is so tight that if you stuck a lump of coal up his ***, in two weeks you'd have a diamond" There will be a compromise of course but not the garbage we have on the server right now! I don't want to compromise over that... We deserve better SERVERS... we really do! and NO I don't want to ignore people or adapt... And if you want to play the jerk there are tons of other servers where you can express your frustration in any way you want. I would actually reach the extreme and say the opposite in real life you have to live with jerks u can't isolate yourself but in a virtual environment you actually can create a better community forcing the rule that regulate it as you can have a better control over 3000/5000 person on line rather then 7.000.000.0000 human being on earth and cherry pick the one that reach the brain level at least double of the one in a monkey.

The first plague in a MMORPG it's community not bugs or bad programming... That ruined most of my past experience in any MMO way more than bugs or bad thought out game-mechanics ever did... The best advice people give you will be lock yourself in a guild and that's it... sorry but i play an MMO to interact with a living world not with my 20 friends otherwise i can go and play a FPS or some sort of home based network game I always... always roll RP server both PVE and PVP but that doesn't solve it either I will be willing to pay extra to have a server closely monitored by a full time person that deals with this type of person. Company should make a server where u pay 1$? 2$? Hack! Even 3$ more (20%more) in order (3$x3000K people = 9000$ a month) to pay 3x3000$/mo person 8 hours a day (x3) to monitor the community answer ticket and dealing with anti-social behavior etcetc. for me the MMORPG it's the community not the game i am in SWTOR world and I expect at least a sort of education and respect i saw in the movies otherwise it feels like i am in LOL-Land... and honestly i wont pay to play in LOL-Land *** is wrong with make 1 server an "adult-attitude RP server" please make us pay more but give us what we want and actively monitor it

that's what i loved of AOC before 1.5 beeing an Amazon and fighting naked in PVP siege as gear counted for 0,01% it was fun much more fun then what came after 1.5 where the game turned into a gear-parade

it's either bracket or everybody the same in PVP (no lvl no gear) your pick I don't see any other way to make it works gear/advancing lvl/scaling abilities = PVE world objective/guild bonus/honor system = PVP making a pvp with ingredients of pve (gear/advancing lvl/scaling abilities) it's a recipe for failure

maybe if the player with the TOP pc would stop playing with the .ini file and would stop forcing AA and all the other things they are forcing they wouldn't have any problem i have a i5-2500 oced @4.5mhz 8gb ram gtx580 oced @900mhz and my FPS are ALWAYS 60fps in PVE (v-sync on) and around 40 in PVP at worst a) don't play with your .ini b) pick a server that is populated but not overpopulated c) better if the server is close to you (i live in west cost and a west cost server ping 20 I tried to play on European server because i have friends there and my ping was 160) true is lot of super fancy pc owners believe they can modify the ini to make use of the useless tri-sli they got and then they complain if it runs bad... if they didn't put the option of AA in game it's because probably it gives problems and if u force it just because u can and have a tri-sli doesn't make it works magically "floweless" game is fine if you accept it for what it is a cool story with a mediocre graphics.