That's just utter rubbish. the damage is higher not because of AoE, but because it is far more sustained and less dependant on procs and CDs. All you're doing is showing that you haven't actually given both a valid test and are therefore working on incomplete evidence.

If you're trying to give away a 2nd interrupt, you're bad.

Wait... what? Are you saying you want another talent in the deception tree that boosts Shock, or are you saying just buff the base damage across the board? Because that's going to launch months upon months of QQ, claiming that the last thing darkness assassins needed was a Shock buff. Even if it's the former, shock is the least of your worries. You're only meant to be using it after 2 voltaics, anyway. What's far more important is the fact that you're a stealth burst class without any burst from stealth. It defies all logic.

+1. At least it hasn't been as bad as some in the past, where the devs have clearly picked questions just to avoid the harder ones. Questions such as 'what do I get from legacy on a human?' are not things we want to be told about. That is what google is for.

Star Wars facts have been thrown into the ring. Can't really be argued, with...

What exactly is the most effective strategy to use against these guys, 1v1? In a duelling situation, I think we're severely hamstrung by the fact that Force Cloak removes them from combat too, meaning that you can't simply vanish and wait Undying Rage out. There's no point in trying to run away, as if you've got to this point in the duel, 1 saber throw will probably finish you off, anyway, from range. Is it therefore best to try and kite early on? The only theoretical way I can see of winning this encounter, is to keep them at range and spam Death Field, Shock and Discharge, then hope that by the time they do reach you, you have a sufficient headstart to pop everything and get as far into them as possible, before you have to try and survive Undying Rage. Thoughts? (Darkmad as in 27/0/14 in Stalker gear)

I play 27/0/14 Darkmad and admittedly found it rather awkward at first. But once you get the hang of using Death Field, it's actually a very enjoyable spec. I enjoy having the option of thrash as a legitimate filler, for when discharge, death field and shock are all on cooldown and it doesn't result in a massive loss of dps. It's also worth saying, the majority of your dmg is internal, so you shred deception...

Interesting to see you don't vanish, at all. I've been vanishing and waiting for undying rage to drop off, then reopening. Otherwise, couldn't really hear what you said was the counter for it. Could you perhaps write it here?

heheheh, +1.

Spec Darkness and go stalker. It's the most fun you can have with your clothes on.

They bloody spam it, too. The CD is far too short. I can't help but laugh, when marauders complain that they have no survivability. To kill one, you have to wait for his undying rage and/or wait for him to come out of stealth. It's just daft. Why on earth would you give a non-stealth class vanish? Where's the logic?!

Yet another thread about something that's being fixed in 1.2. Just stop!

Totally killed the epic pun.

The thing about Huttball is that when it's bad, it's god damned bloody awful. But when it's good, it can produce some fantastically gripping, competitive gameplay. What does Voidstar give you? The worst map design in MMO PvP history. What does Civil War give you? 4 sage healers camped at mid, watching the score tick down for 10 minutes. Nothing can beat a good game of Huttball.

Care to substantiate that claim?

I see wut you did thar

Hang on. Dailies.... PvP forums.... Am I missing an obvious connection, here?

They're too rare to actually care about... People are far too busy crying about sage/sorcs.

No. Next question?

Yes. Because what a 'true PvPer' REALLY stays up at night crying about isn't balance, or warzones, or X-server queuing... it's the colour of their armour and the perpetual fear that they may enter a warzone in the same dress as their friend!! How did I not see this before?! Thank you for enlightening me, oh great and wise OP! Ok now srsly, go away.

I see what you did there.

Well said. Anyone else remember the 2 hour queues for a BG in vanilla WoW? I like the fact I can always get a WZ, thanks to Huttball. It's actually an enjoyable gamemode and we're getting another same faction WZ to balance it out anyway. Why are people whinging about things that are already being solved?

I'll feel some sympathy for this spec when I see it played without excessive backpedalling and grav round spamming. Until then, what's the point of buffing/nerfing something other than grav round? It's not getting used, anyway...

No it's not. The side that can't compete forfeits the game. Common sense...

actually, it'd have 99% less entries if it weren't for the PvP QQ'ing, since... y'know... it's a PvP forum. Sounds like this sage/sorc thing is rather faction/realm specific. On my server, the pubs definitely do this. 4 Sage healers or more. Every game. Without fail. Imps however tend to have maybe 1 or 2 per game, if that. We have the same number of inquisitors, because there's a fair amount of assassins around too, but sorcs aren't THAT common.