My graphics settings make zero difference to my FPS issues. All maxed out I get the same fps (or even slightly better fps) than I do with all set to off and all at minimum. In every other game I have played, the graphics settings have a massive impact on game performance. Not in this game. I am just clueless as to why this is, and have tried *everything* on these forums to resolve it. Bioware have given us very little support and all the useful advice has come from gamers themselves. This is just not good enough. I want to keep playing, and my machine exceeds the 'recommended' specs, but the support is almost non existant.

I honestly don't see the 'great story' that everyone keeps going on about. There is nothing 'great' about it. They are just standardised stories, and fairly dull ones at that, designed to get you to go to the correct levelling planets. I'm very very sceptical as to the value of devoting so much resources to this aspect of the game's development. A story can only go so far and thats fine for a single player with a one off fee, but unless BW are intending to continue significantly updating this part of the game with every patch, at great cost, then for me, its every bit as gimmicky and irrelevant to the long term success of the game as Tortage is in AOC. This aspect of the game will not keep people paying a monthly fee, how can it? A more appropriate way to spend the money would have been to hone the gameplay in this title so that its utterly perfect and smooth and comparable to WOW's seamless combat and fluidity. This would have allowed the gameplay itself to have been the hook that keeps people playing, and everything else could then flow from that solid foundation, as it has with WOW. Perhaps a little more innovation wouldn't have hurt aswell. WOW is losing subs and this is because a LOT of People are bored of the format despite the continuing quality of the product. New ideas are needed to get those people who are bored with WOW to pay for this game. However, in this game, compared with WOW, all we have got is the same old end game/levelling process with less features, more flaws, and inferior gameplay to go with it. The story is really all that this game has over WOW. Disappointing.

No. The performance of this game in my system leaves a lot to be desired particularly at end game where pvp is 50% of what you can do - my fps in most pvp situations is very poor despite exceeding the recommended specs. And apart from the voice acted stories designed to get you to go to the right levelling planets, there is nothing particularly new or exciting about this game. At end game, if you are bored of other MMOs you will be bored of this game too. There is nothing new, and there is a lot that is inferior to other MMO products.

Yes this gets on my wick too. It astounds me that the developers of these games are so damn unimaginative that they just copy whatever crap was mildly successful in other games right down to the stupid colour of the stupid items. It utterly trivialises and saps the fun out of the process of getting gear when the top level of gear is so easy to acquire and its basically the same as the **** you have been wearing for weeks. Sheesh I remember the days when epic gear in MC was such a status symbol in WOW. It was cool and everyone craved that gear. Now you're weird if you aren't decked out in epics. It sucks. And so do the developers who have the collective imagination and creativity of a squashed fly.

I'm farrrrr more interested in user reviews as the users actually play the game properly, and aren't unduly influenced by money and cronyism. Every major release game gets good reviews these days. That should give you food for thought. Ever thought why COD:MW3 got 5 star ratings absolutely everywhere despite it being almost identical to COD:MW2? The player's opinions are far more accurate and far more important, and the reviews are not good for this game. I rate this game as a 2/5 at best, and I would have done anything for it to have been a 5/5.

Yeah its horrible but for me its very closely linked to FPS. I feel that, due to **** fps in pvp, its pointless trying to click on players who are jerking around the screen. My solution has been to basically scrap any ideas about healing and just nuke the **** out of everything i see. This also makes my fps issues less notable as Im playing with no skill or thought whatsoever and therefore don't need to worry about reacting quickly. Yet another reason why this game isn't fit to polish WOW's boots. And Im talking about gameplay... just gameplay... nothing else. I think its basically impossible to play WOW, and then come to this game and actually enjoy the gameplay unless you are used to playing like crap and don't notice the difference anyway.

Yeah I encountered this part of the 'story' on my sith sorcerer aswell and it almost made me quit the game on the spot. I honestly felt a little bit exploited lolz. The stories have novelty value, but they are very very one dimensional - at least the ones I have played through. They are basically just the string along which the game tells you where to go. The story is almost an afterthought. I did sort of enjoy the Jedi Knight story but it all got ruined when the final part was bugged to hell so that it took me hours to get through it thanks to med centre spawns taking me ahead of where I was supposed to be and locking me there as a result, and then on my final *epic* fight with the emperor, the game bugged again and I one shotted him. Just a total load of balls. Have honestly never encountered so many bugs in any game ever ever ever - and nothing even comes close.

I'm delighted that so many people are getting wonderful FPS. Its very hard for me to accept that when I do not. As stated earlier, I get 1fps in a crowded Ilum, 5-10 fps in fleet, and 7-15 fps during combat in warzones. So its unplayable in PVP, despite the fact that at totally maxed out settings I get 50-60 fps in questing areas. My main problem is that Bioware have done nothing to assist me. They have recommended a few useless tweaks but there has been no support of note at all, and my system specs easily meet the recommended specs. The players of this game have done far more than the developers to come up with ideas to boost FPS in pvp zones. I have tried everything that has been posted on these forums over the past month or two. Some things have helped, and some have not but ultimately this game does not run well for me. Comparing WOW's pvp at ultra settings and all maxed with what I get in this game is just a dead cert no contest. Perfect smoothness versus horrifying clunkiness and stutter. I'm officially at the end of the old tether. I have less than a week and after that, I'm gone for good unless I get some decent support.

I agree with almost everything. The knockbacks aren't so bad. In all honesty, the game would be diabolical without the brief fun they provide. It just totally baffles me how this stuff isn't thought of WAYYYYYYY prior to release and implemented before release. Its as if these people are just totally oblivious to World of Warcraft and the things it did to make itself successful. This game is basically WOW for people who don't like WOW and don't realise how good WOW is. You cannot play WOW, and then play this game, without realising how horribly deficient this game is in just about every department I can care to think of. I think the only thing they have on it is Huttball, which I quite like. Who's taking bets on the new battleground that will come with Mop and the extent to which it will resemble huttball?!

Yes, its a total disaster and a total joke. Spent several hours playing wzs tonight and 50% of games were just a revolving door with pugs rotating in and out constantly. It totally ruins the game. These people need to be punished. Furthermore, premades should not be allowed to queue into pugs. This is just stupid. And while you are at it, please nerf the hell out of healers and reduce the effectiveness of expertise. A team with two or three geared/competent healers in it makes it almost impossible to kill *anything*. I'm just appalled that all of this stuff needs to be stated. A cursory look at the history of WOW's battleground PVP should have alerted the makes of this game as to what happens when these issues are left unnaddressed. As with so many things I have lost count, this game fails to deliver.

Having serious issues in Warzones and Ilum is totally unplayable here. The stutter when you open up a the character pane is not the problem, but its a good way of reproducing what happens on my system when another player appears in my local vicinity. I get exactly the same stutter, and this gets worse the longer the client is active. In pvp this is very annoying, and even when questing, I don't appreciate having my gameplay freeze when another player appears nearby. This is supposed to be an MMO isnt it? Another way to recreate the problem is by summoning and unsummoning your companion by mounting and dismounting. This also provokes a serious stutter in my play. Its very annoying and I can't help but think this is related to the fact that my FPS goes through the floor when im in a warzone. Huttball isn't too bad, and voidstar isn't great, but the civil war is very poor. I'm pretty sure its the cannons firing overhead that causes the issues, as if I disable this action through renaming the file where those effects come from, the FPS is suddenly excellent. Same in all other warzones. If I disable the effects file, my fps goes from being 'clunky' to being super smooth and 'wow like'. However, the downside is that I cant see what's going on so its not an efficient workaround. The other issue worth noting, from my perspective anyway, is that my FPS is poor in warzones no matter what I set my graphics to. Highest or absolute lowest, it doesn't matter, so it seems, for me anyway, that this issue isn't a graphics issue. So to sum up, my game plays perfectly well in solo situations, but in warzones its poor, in Ilum its unplayable. Still awaiting a response from Bioware as they have provided no significant assistance to me on this issue as of yet either through the forums or in-game tickets. I've tried every tweak in the books and the problem remains, and I also meet the 'recommended' specs. My account runs out next week and if there is no fix or at least an acknowledgement of the issue I won't be renewing Im afraid.

Following on from the discussions on this thread: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=249030 Are the dev team aware of, or working on, the issue outlined in this thread? A fix for this problem would transform my playing experience from being *below average* to *excellent*. Unfortunately, there has been no message from the dev team thus far. My subscription ends in a week, and I'm sorry to say that unless there is somethin... anything, on this specific issue, I'm out for the forseeable future. Its not an ultimatum or anything but the problem is so significant for me, that its making me not want to play. Its just that simple.

This annoys the hell out of me aswell. Its just one of a massively long list of irritating oversights and bugs that detracts from the overall gaming experience for me. I bang into a new bug/glitch on an hourly basis, and I'm already *working around* dozens. The camera is very important as its the direct link between you are your character. If its behaving weirdly, or behaving in an annoying way (smart camera resetting on movement for example) then it diminishes the whole game as a direct result. The combination of this and countless other small things is why this game is described constantly as 'clunky'. It just seems like a lack of attention to detail from the developers.

I really agree strongly with the OP. I just found myself looking into my number X champions bag a few days ago, and realising I was doing exactly what I did in WOW - in grinding boring PVP for gear and there was no real reason to do so in this game other than so I didnt get facerolled by other players in the said boring pvp. There's nothing to aim for. As an added issue, I feel that WOW gameplay is more inherently fun, responsive, smooth and competitive, so I'm just finding myself asking myself "what the hell I am doing in playing this game?" At present, I feel that the only difference is that its a) new, b) star wars, and c) has huttball, which is a great warzone. That's it. In basically every other aspect of endgame that I can think of, but particularly in the gameplay itself, I'd just rather be playing WOW. And this is coming from someone who swore he would never play WOW again. Edit: I want to add I have a 50 on both empire and republic side and have zero desire to level again through exactly the same process. I'd rather be repeatedly punched in the face by Mike Tyson.

Eve's pvp is good but, in my view, this primarily comes from the adrenalin rush you get from the fact that if you get blown to bits and or pod killed you stand to lose an awful lot in the game. There's no simple respawn in that your ship is scrap metal and all your mods might be toasted costing you a veritable fortune. This is what makes EVE pvp good, in my opinion anyway. I always preferred the speed and responsiveness of WOW arena play. Its the one MMO environment that I have seen where genuine skill and team play is totally apparent, and bad players get facestomped into the floor and good players tend to flourish. Its not perfect of course, but its the best Ive played, and I really struggle to downgrade to games like this for PVP. Its like when you're used to racing in a ferrari, you're suddenly asked to race in a Ford Escort with a mangled gearbox. I don't want to be hyper critical of SWTOR as I'm enjoying it for what it is, but if they want my sub they have a lot of work to do. I'm already finding endgame extremely uninspiring - and that includes warzone pvp. Its just WOW lite, with a Star Wars skin.

Petty and immature. - For me, this game is still drastically inferior to WOW where it really counts - gameplay. They have lots of new features, some new ideas, a whole new sci-fi world to work with, but it all comes back to one thing - gameplay. When im playing this game I'm constantly banging into things that make my gameplay time less fun than it was with WOW. - The camera resetting - Delay on abilities - A general overall clunkiness - Dodgy fps in pvp making any sort of 'skilled' play basically impossible without serious investment in my machine - which of course already totally exceeds the 'recommended requirements' and plays every other game on the market perfectly. - Constant glitches related to poorly thought out UI and keybind decision making (or lack of) - The game stuttering when other players come into view This is just the first few things off the top of my head. WOW is just a better game than this when it comes to the fundamentals and the gameplay. It was even better at launch 7 years ago. Now, I hate tribalism of all sorts and have no special love of WOW but in my view its just better. The problem for me is that I'm bored with it - loads of people are, because its been out for years and Blizzard haven't really innovated in that time. We get the same thing repackaged over and over and the main improvements they make are based on the functionality of the game rather than genuine new mechanics. Anyway, long story short, I would be playing WOW rather than this if I hadn't overdosed on it already. The things that really matter to me - fluid play and perfect responsiveness, just aren't quite right in this game just yet. I hope they get there.

The short answer is 'no'. The long answer is that I have played WOW for years and am looking for something new. This game is the latest in a line of MMOs that have been released since WOW. All of them have been seriously flawed in their own ways and this one is no different. The responsiveness and fluidity of this game comes nowhere near the standards set by WOW, and that is very difficult for me to adapt to. Fortunately for Bioware, I am simply finished with WOW due to excessive over-exposure. As a result, I am giving this game more time than I gave any of those other MMOs. It being Star Wars really helps as I've loved Star Wars since I was a child. But the fact remains that I am teetering with this game. Its a love hate relationship at present, but Bioware are getting my money because, for me anyway, there is no alternative at present.

The guy in my avatar whatever species that is. Makes me laugh far too much when I hear him talk as a mission quest giver. The squeeks are hilarious. Anyway I was thinking a little about this, and surely the species addons could be achieved without affecting the integrity of the game too much? After all, the voice acting can be just alien garble - with text, and and that wouldnt bother me in the slightest if there was a wider variety of species to choose from.

Same. And not only that but it was the issue that dozens of people were begging for the fix for in general channels - but there was none. This is another reason why combat is 'clunky' for many of us. You need to be able to run in one direction, and target people who are behind you for a variety of obvious reasons. At present you can't really so this in the way that many people are used to, and I can think of no good reason why they would neglect this. Therefore I think there must be some sort of code/technical limitation as to why they are not implementing it.

This is an incredibly important issue for my personal play aswell. Its not directly related to ability delay but its one issue among many that makes my play less than enjoyable on occasion. And given people in the know are probably reading this thread... Please get working on allowing us to purge all keybind functions please and not just the seemingly random ones some guy put on a list some time during testing. Permanent keybinds, especially when linked to ctrl, and even more especially when linked to movement keys, are utterly ridiculous. I grind to a halt in pvp on a daily basis by accidentally hitting ctrl+a in combat - and that happens to be a permanent unchangeable bind to the incredibly important "Ambience On/Off" function. Yes... I know.

The issue is that if you are used to driving a Ferrari, its very difficult indeed to adapt to driving a prototype Lada custom job with half an engine, a busted gear box and dodgy brakes. The issue for many people is that they come from WOW and are used to playing at break-neck speed with perfect responsiveness from their avatar at all times. No clunkiness, no bugs, no silly glitches... and perfect response and combat fluidity in all environments. Now, if this was the first MMO to appear since WOW, then I think people would be a little more patient. However, many of us have seen this before. All the other MMOs that have come and gone over the past 3/4 years have had this problem. They can't match WOW's gameplay despite having literally hundreds of wonderful ideas and advances in other areas of the game (Rifts, combo combat, RVR, wings etc). Ultimately all those things are irrelevant if the gameplay can't match WOW's because everyone coming from WOW feels as though the game isn't quite right. Most people dont even bother to wonder why that is, they just go back to wow. Its not that we want this game to BE WOW, its that we expect that the gameplay standards set by WOW are at least matched. No MMO has yet managed it, and the issues discussed in this thread are right at the heart of why WOW hasn't been matched in this game (and some of the others). This is however the first time that I have bothered to stay and whine/lobby about this however, as I love Star Wars and I absolutely do not want to go back to WOW (even the gameplay cant make up for seven years of over-exposure). With those other MMOs, I just cancelled my sub and vanished along with thousands of others without even a word on the forums. I am here waiting patiently, because I just hope those wonderful people at Bioware pull this off. They are closer than any other MMO has been but they have a lot of work to do still. But I do agree with you. The game is very good in so many ways, but like so many things in life, if the fundamentals and foundations aren't totally right, everything else suffers. I just hope that this is getting the continued attention that it deserves.

Another bump and rate for me. Can we please get an explanation as to why we aren't allowed to look behind while we move forward in this game? Its pretty darn silly.

I have these exact same issues. Just now, after an extended play session I quit the game and went into the other room. Came back ten minutes later and the game had still not managed to close down. Warzones are fine when I play at the beginning of a session, but become unplayable after an hour or two of the client being active. I also get this weird stutter every time another player appears on my screen. This is a split second if the client has only been loaded, but becomes horrible after the client being active for a few hours. There's definitely something up with this game. I've never had issues like this with any other game.

I totally agree with you. It was, for me, the biggest turn off of World of Warcraft Cataclysm that they made the expansion so boring and linear. You basically do a quest or three, and then turn them in and get told to go meet X over at X. There you get handed another three quests and rinse repeat etc. Its sooooooooo boring and is a horrible grind. SWTOR has all of this and I'm very surprised at that given that they must have seen how many people were upset by how linear Cataclysm was. I suspect that Bioware hoped that the added layer of 'immersion' provided by the voice overs, and the off the beaten track datacrons and chests would counter-act this a little bit, but I'm not sure it has worked. I certainly felt that it did in the early stages of levelling, but this feeling dissipates as you get higher in level. The game feels extremely scripted in just about every way at present, with space missions on rails, linear questing, and a class quest that you know everyone else is also doing. The illusion of 'choice' when interacting with NPCs does nothing to change all of this and the fact that all class quests seem to be just elaborate ways to get you to go to the right planets for your level makes me feel like I'm walking on the same straight and narrow path as everyone else with the same results apart from a very trivial Dark/Light side choice system.

Things have improved for me aswell, but in all honesty, its more to do with the fact that I rerolled a ranged class a week or two ago and its just easier to stand around and nuke/heal stuff. My Jedi Knight is finished as the FPS issues in warzones and general 'clunkiness' of the play make competitive or even interesting melee PVP an impossibility. I'm the sort of person who is used to constant movement while ripping people up with my rogue as I run around them non stop and hit them with a barrage of abilities from all angles. That type of play is just impossible in this game with all the hidden permanent keybinds bringing my character unceremiously to a halt and sending my camera wheeling off in a random direction as a result, the FPS that quickly degenerates the longer the client has been active, the resetting camera every time you move forward (facepalm), the relentless bugs that I encounter in any play session (I make 3/4 tickets per day - I dont know why I bother, they just close them and move on), the stutter/freeze that happens every time my companion appears or another player appears on screen (this also gets worse with the cleint active time), the uselessness of tab targetting combined with the impossibility of effectively clicking on targets etc etc. Its getting a bit much. I'm in for another month but that's it. The story has kept me going but I just got sent on a ridiculous journey from Drommund Kas to Fleet and back again to Drommund Kas for absolutely no bloody reason as part of my Sorcerer quest line so even the class quests are starting to bug me.