Oh I write incoherently all the time, However, the post you commented on, was blindingly obvious, even to people who didn't read it. You're the only one showing up with a great big question mark over your head. What is your point? Other than trying to save face. You got in my face after taking a joke seriously, Suck it up and move on.

Wow, I didn't think anyone could miss the point of something as badly as you did. My post was dripping with sarcasm and of course, you're the first in line, to take it seriously. I'm 35. I grew up played Atari, then Commodore 64, then Nintendo and Sega, and so forth. Thank you though for the sympathy. It's almost the same sympathy I feel for people too dense to get the joke. Awesome logical fallacy at the end too. Sorry I can;t haves no funs Reminds me of the "sorry you hate freedom" nonsense Bush supporters used to write off illegal wire tampering. No you're right, YOUR fun is the ONLY fun.

I gotta be honest, I don't know if you're arguing against my post, or reinforcing it. Because I'm not saying the game needs to be realistic, I'm saying using realism to defend the stupid event is stupid. Don't blame me because you thought you were brilliant when you decided realism was somehow involved. You're one of the people throwing some pseudo-intellectual nonsense around, about realism, as it pertains to plague events. You're pretty much adding to my argument. I'm not picking and choosing s***. YOU are. You're picking what parts of the game and what activities, are based on realism, I'm saying none of it is. ...so...thanks? I'm saying that PLAGUES, shouldn't be put up, and taken down, like f'ing Christmas lights. If you're going to do something as horrifying and devastating like a plague, do it well. Don't do some half assed "Plague Party on Tattooine! Come get your prizes!" weak a** bull****. and when it isn't done well, don't attempt to say it was realistic.

People keep saying that it was ok to spread the plague because it's "realistic", rather than finding a remote place in the universe to blow your own brains out, while telling a holo of your "Legacy spouse" you love them. Because obviously, mindless rackghoul plague bearers, can still board their ships, ignore their companions, who also ignore them, and set course for the busiest sector in the galaxy, to rub up against the most people possible, before they explode. *If you're waiting for me to get to the realistic part, leave now, there isn't one. Here's how plague events always work. (and why I think they're stupid as Hell) 1. A disease breaks out somewhere. 2.. You get quests like go slaughter ten infected, but ignore the rest, then ten minutes later, "take five of these cures and go administer them to the sick, and ignore the rest. Don't worry about them all mobbing you, begging for the cure. they'll all be standing around widely separated, staring off into space. You'll cure exactly five, tell the rest to piss off, and come back for a big money reward." If this plague bull****, were even remotely realistic, the second you cured one person, you'd take a flying brick to the head, and everyone would proceed to beat each other to death, for the remaining syringes over the crumpled heap that is your avatar. 3. You never see piles of dead bodies burning, women in the streets weeping for their dead children or husbands, and the usual break down of society that comes with a plague. It's always one small questing area of "plague themed" quests. 4. This lasts for EXACTLY one week, maybe two, depending on how many players complain, that they didn't get all the prizes, for meta gaming their 'off and on like a light switch' disease, off on the most people. 5. Afterwards, no one ever talks about the plague, you see no aftermath, no change to any worlds infected. No long reaching consequences, no investigations over who's to blame, and no initiatives to make sure it never happens again. No one important dies. Everything cleans up, as though the plague was just a very realistic Halloween party. Yeah it's so realistic I actually got a shot of penicillin for it, and not just for my herpes.

The plague was unstoppable? That is true, I agree. It was so unstoppable that it lasted an entire week, and cures were limited to standard med vending robots in every town, on every station, everywhere, and in infinite quantities. Besides everywhere though, the plague was totally out of control. It was freakin' apocalyptic. It was SO catastrophic, that no one is willing to even talk about it anymore, and it's like the memory of the virus and even it's ramifications have faded completely! You can see it in the trauma, despair, and destruction that it didn't leave in it's wake.Thank God no important NPC's were killed...

Because it's popular. That's it.

Exactly. That's where the griefers' defense falls apart. I saw the fleet, there were more than enough people standing around to get all the free little DNA tokens without effort, the way they wanted. They made the conscious choice to stand in the spawn in area to be jerks.

If playing dozens of Korean mmorpgs for the last five years or so, and quitting each in disgust hasn't done that, SWTOR certainly won't.

Go play a PVP-only game. Not a game based almost entirely around PVE. Play something like Lineage, or Aion, or Gunz: The Duel, or Warhammer Online. Don't come here and demand some kind of ganker's paradise PVP fest. You're not forced to do anything. You chose a game that is heavily based on PVE and are complaining that it isn't heavily based on PVP.

So the old "Someone else is doing it, so it's ok" defense. 1. Microsoft and Apple are NOT video game companies. They make far more, than a single mmorpg. I would maybe consider this a valid argument, if Blizzard didn't do jack all but WoW, for almost a decade. Even still, people hate the crap out of both, and there is almost no alternative save Linux, and since game companies are in MS's pocket, expect a lot of compatibility issues with game's on PC. How many threads on every game do you see asking for Mac versions? My point being, that some businesses are in a position to get away with it, but only fools thank them for it. I mean you're using them as an example, as if people for years haven't been protesting, and petitioning either company to stop being *****. Hell Linux was created, to give an escape from MS and Apple. You're saying this like Microsoft isn't the only game in town, for reliable online PC gaming. That's why they can get away with it, and I don't see many people asking MS to screw us MORE. Which is what you're advocating with EA. 2. Economics don't really matter, when what you want, is a luxury. The only thing you're thinking about, or concerned with, is what you get for yourself right this minute. MMORPGs are about grinding, grinding rep, grinding quests, grinding dungeons, grinding currency, etc. I wholeheartedly agree with you about one thing, DAILIES SUCK BALLS. I quit WoW to get away from dailies. I hate them with a passion. But instead of asking for a potentially abused, and game breaking cash shop (potentially further down the line), I'd rather just ask Bioware to tone it the f*** down with the prices, because they are absolutely ridiculous. OR, suggest alternative cash sink methods. The prices for Legacy bonuses are asinine, but I guess since they're account wide, and you can get 200-400k per day by doing an hour or two of dailies, it's not as big a deal, when you're unlocking the ability to bypass five minutes of running. Especially if you have a bunch of people doing them with you (not everyone has this luxury though, but it's an option). How about alternate means of unlocking things. Bioware borked their economy, there is no denying that, people have literally millions of credits, and nothing to spend it on and BW's great idea is to copy Blizzard, and just make a few things really expensive. Rather than making special content and activities, that are a fun way of spending money, like a casino, maybe a vacation planet designed for shore leave full of mini-games, housing, buyable/craftable cosmetics, etc. Bioware took the lazy, joyless way out, and you're asking them to bypass their solution, and allow the problem to continue. Because you haven't provided one alternative beyond "give it to me for cash!". Putting this stuff in a cash shop is the laziest, worst solution to any given problem, and that goes double for a game run by EA. 3. Farming is a recreational activity (just ask Korean mmo players), it's just not a very enjoyable one. I agree, if I'm gonna do drone work, I'll get paid for it. Not Pay for it. But that's the game, that's mmorpgs. Hell that's RPG's period. I'm not saying these prices are acceptable, I'm saying we need better alternatives than a cash shop.

I was thinking of Star Terk Online. The things you mentioned aren't really cash shop things, I mean they can be if put in a cash shop, but you're really talking about services. Services that are charged for to avoid abuse. I'm fine with that. Though I don't know why charging for a Legacy name is necessary.

Well then instead of petitioning to have it available for a five bucks? Why not petition for things to simply be easier to get, or require less time? Or I don't know, maybe WAIT for something in a long term game that you don't need right this minute? Maybe giving yourself a long term goal, rather than throwing your wallet at whatever you feel you don't have to do what everyone else does for?

I see you're out of arguments and are cherry picking. I guess you're done too. Typical, most people who argue in favor of this kind of stuff generally have one, maybe two arguments and when that fails, they just repeat a strawman.

If you're going to bow out of this, fine. But don't use such a flimsy, transparent bit of cliche flamebait to do it.

True, but just because you don't think it's stupid, doesn't make it less stupid. Stop screaming PERSONAL CHOICE like it's a 'get out of scrutiny free card' It's like people who shout "opinion!" when they can't argue a point.. Especially when that choice potentially affects all the other players by modifying the way the game is run, and has time and again proven publishers increasingly abusive methods. Seriously, go ahead and put a cash shop in and see what happens. Or ask Cryptic how their own double dipping scored them the lofty position of quickest conversion to free to play. Bioware hasn't pissed off enough fans with DA2, ME3, etc. I'm sure suddenly charging for extra crap will really go over well. It's called double dipping and most consumers recognize it for what it is. Pure greed. Your PERSONAL CHOICE can also be a STUPID CHOICE, whether or not you think it is.

Blizzard's cash shop is prime example of a group of men so greedy that the hundreds of millions of dollars they receive every year, isn't good enough, and sees fit to charge for things that should be in game. True it doesn't hurt anyone, but what cash shops actually hurt people? Blizzard as of lest year, was sitting on over two BILLION dollars in capital. Don't try to excuse this greedy crap with times change nonsense. If there is one thing I've learned about gamers, is that they will say ANYTHING to justify dropping more money on anything gaming, even when they can get it for free, as doing so requires time they just don't care to spend. Really, if you're playing an mmorpg, chances are you'll be playing it for years if you like it. So basically, people want to pay for all this crap, so they can go back to complaining about having no goals and nothing to do. Maybe this stuff was designed for the long term. I don't know, all I know is gamers are getting so lazy, it's disgusting. It's a game for crying out loud. There are tons of things people with deep pockets already get advantages for, why ruin gaming with that noise too? we've gotten to the point where even recreational activities can be bypassed by throwing money at it?

Spending $100 on something stupid, is still stupid even when you're wiping your *** with the change. Having the money in your wallet doesn't mean a purchase is wise. I mean I can spend maybe 50-100 bucks a month on entertainment, but if I'm going to do that, I may as well buy two entire games, rather than unlocking a handful of completely unnecessary, slight conveniences in one, just because I want it all today.

1. Jealous of what exactly? Please explain what I'm jealous of. Your money? your lack of patience? 2. Oh the old they're a business fallacy. A classic. If you knew anything about business beyond "make money a lot" you'd realize how naive such a statement is. You're also a fool if you think more money = better product. This game makes enough money as is. After a certain point, it doesn't matter how much money a company makes. EA is not a company that see more money and puts it into their games. Look at DA 2 compared to DA:O. In fact, the way EA works is to exploit and rush future games when the older ones make tons of money. you think the added income would make a difference? Wow same guy. You're on a roll. Actually there is a huge difference between a paid SERVICE, like transfers. and paid products, like virtual clothes. The transfer fee exists, to avoid people constantly changing servers, which would lead to people doing whatever they want, and simply jumping servers to avoid a negative reputation.

Not if you're using those finances to buy slightly faster cooldowns on quick travel items, in a video game, to avoid doing a few dozen scattered hours of dailies, over the course of how many years of playing a video game you already pay fifteen bucks a month for. Really, absolutely the worst ad hominem fallacy made this thread. Congratulations.

How's Cryptic doing? What's that? All of their games are free to play now? Atari dropped them, and they were bought by a Chinese company? A company infamous for cash shops, that end up charging literally hundreds of dollars to thousands of dollars for things like getting your mount up to it's maximum speed. Here's the problem with your response. Blizzard incorporated their cash shop late in the game, long after attaining unprecedented success, that no one outside of Asia has been able to come close to reproducing. There are so many players who'd buy a punch in the eye from Blizzard, it's frightening. These are the same players who had already given up their maiden names to marry Diablo 3, a year ago. At this point, Blizzard can do ANYTHING, save murdering their customers, and not take a big hit in subs (even then, they still might). Their success is completely irrelative to their cash shop. Cryptic started out from the beginning with them, and look how they ended up. SWTOR does not have the clout to pull that off. No one really does, save Blizzard. The wave of the future, may arguably be microtransactions, but that is only after subscriptions die out.

Maybe, if you're completely thoughtless, and willfully ignore all the staggering examples of cash shops that started off innocuous and gradually got worse. Say what you will about slippery slopes, but this is one slippery slope that has been proven so many times it's amazing people still believe it won't happen. It's exactly like saying a new new oil company, may not be as greedy as all the others, but it probably will. You may not see anything wrong with it, but anyone with actual experience in games with cash shops, knows that when game publishers see a gold mine, they'll strip it dry. This is EA for Christ sake! This is EA/BIOWARE. The company that went from Mass Effect 1 DLC later - To Mass Effect 2 Day one DLC, but free for all new purchases - to Mass Effect 3 Day one DLC, free for CE pre-orders only. The problem with your five dollar 'purchase and forget' method, is the message it sends to EA. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about business, will tell you corporations will continue to increase the amount they screw you, until you refuse to take it. Bioware themselves have been reaching the bottom of the DLC slippery slope as we speak. You really think they'll stick with simple crap in a cash shop? That's not even naivety at this point. Look at Blizzard's cash shop. Every good mount model they put real effort into, is in the cash shop, ditto small pets. They charge ten bucks for the Panda Monk with it's unique animations and better model, and stick the cheap recolored snake, or cat, in the game for players. Cash shops are for games with no other means of income. Choose one or the other, if you don't have time for the various parts of an mmorpg, then find another hobby, or go without.

....WOW...just...wow. It's almost like you have this smug, sense of self-satisfaction over your willingness to be utterly gouged by game companies. Are you a consumer? Or a shill? You know why the industry is moving that way? Because enough people like yourself stop caring about your dollar, and dignity. You accused someone earlier of standing by their principles, like it was a bad thing.

The real question is, why continue to throw an event currency at players, after the event is over? Is THAT fair? Hey what can I get with this? Oh it's worthless, you could have gotten something cool with it. Now it's just there to taunt you. If the currency is still in the game, and still farmable, that just goes to show how terrible Bioware is at events.

Wow it's like an apologist Biodrone parade. Seriously, aren't there bigger things to argue about on these boards? Is your contrarian, fanboy desire to argue against complaints, THAT powerful, that you find issue with simply putting the stupid reward vender back into the god d*** game for a day or two, and is really worth telling someone off for? It's like many of you, are attacking the OP as if he asked for all the stuff in the vender to be express delivered, to him and all his friends for the remainder of the game's lifespan. So what? If they put the stupid vender in for a day or two, what exactly would be your problem? Half of you people just show up to every thread, just to tell the OP that their concerns are stupid, I don't even think any of you actually care about the subject, arguing for the sake of arguing. "Oh well you should have done ______" Shut up. Seriously just shut up.

"Hey those two classes that did s*** damage before, are now doing more damage? Gives mee a damabage boost 2oo! That way the problem still exists!" Piss off, Troopers and Bounty Hunters are so easy to play and use, and ae so effective, it's like I'm cheating when I play mine. Gunslingers/Snipers and Marauder/Sentinels were pure DPC classes with zero other options, and they needed a boost. Stop ruining this game with constant demands for nerfs and buffs, JUST because another class got one.