Until Bioware invents a time machine and releases TOR before WoW. It's pretty much as simple as that. Until that happens there will always be the argument that "TOR has been out for X time and WoW has been out for X + 7 years."

To me casual just means less time played and has no bearing on skill, intelligence, or anything else. Example: I know many "casual" WoW players who are former top 20 raiders. They simply don't have the time to play like they used to anymore.

Factual evidence? Most of my guild as already unsubbed or is considering it. From launch until a couple of weeks ago my guild had 10-20 people online almost always, now we never have more than 4 unless it's raid time. My friends list full of people I grinded to battlemaster with and PVP'd with are NEVER online anymore. All the recognizable people on my server are no longer around, only new faces/names (i.e. fresh 50s) around the stations and in warzones. Server: The Harbinger, one of the most (if not THE most) populated servers. Bottom line? This game is a scam. The first few levels suck you in with promises of great things like story and dynamic multiplayer content (like black talon) and then it just becomes a boring old WoW clone with nothing new or exciting or fun.

I don't think you know what "opinion" means.

The customer service thing was the final straw for me. I thought back to how many times I had to contact Blizzard support or an in-game GM over the 7 years I played WoW and realized that I don't want to play an MMO with crappy CS. People complain about Blizzard support, but I have yet to see a game company that had better in game GMs or out of game tech support. I've posted threads on the WoW tech support forums and had a blue poster answer me 5-10 minutes later and had the problem resolved within 30 minutes. This has happened on major patch days too.

I love all these bads who think people "burned through the content". The content in this game is so easy you could do nightmare modes in your sleep. Coming from being a hardcore raider in WoW this game is a complete joke. Normal modes in WoW were more complex and challenging than TOR's nightmare modes. The most complex mechanic in a TOR raid is "switch DPS to an add" or "don't stand in fire". There is very little raid coordination or positioning required for anything. In fact most fights you can just say "ok lets go" and run in without any sort of strat and kill the boss on your first try (knowing nothing about the fight previously). It's really that easy.

As many have said before me, it's not about how many things you can list on a piece of paper, it's about the quality of what end game TOR has. Yes you can make it look like TOR has fine end game by saying something like "TOR has 2 raids and 3 warzones, WoW has blah blah blah". Ok, great. WoW's PVP actually works, the warzones are well designed, etc, etc, etc. WoW's raids are actually good, not full of bugs, and are challenging (laugh all you want WoW haters, I doubt you could even clear normal modes in WoW). TOR's end game is CRAP. The biggest challenge in any nightmare mode raid is overcoming game breaking bugs and not the actual fights themselves. That should tell you something. The gearing/rewards system in this game is beyond stupid. First let's look at gear. Tionese/centurion gear isn't even as good as level 44ish purples, I am 100% serious. Tionese gear requires you to farm/grind to get it, while columi gear rains on you like candy from flashpoints. By the time you could reasonably farm up enough tionese comms to get any significant amount of tionese gear, you'd likely have all columi gear. This isn't a bug or something that is excused by the game being "new", it's poor game design and speaks volumes about the intelligence of the designers. Champion/BM bags.. .***? Battlemaster gear, barely an upgrade over champion and not as good as PVE gear... (you only need so much expertise) Zero point in doing nightmare modes after you do a timed run. All raid content clearable on nightmare mode in one night.... Zero point in doing flaspoints beyond the first week or so you are 50. Datacrons, takes one day at most to collect them all. Grind companion affection? For what? So they can say "derp hey, I wanted to go do this thing with the stuff" and then you get to look at a black screen for 30 seconds while they do it? neat. Did I cover everything? This game sucks, period.

Yeah clear the rafters, and then while you are standing up there after clearing the rafters I will force charge to you, force push you, and force charge to someone else. BAM goal. Thanks for the easy win.

The real fix is to just not bother with it anymore.

Right. So you just have to have 2-3 people on the rafters to clear sorcerers, and 1-2 people on your goal line looking for stealthers that a jugg can jump to. Then you only have half a team actually trying to get the ball or do anything. Do you know what this results in? You guessed it, the other team always controls mid and has the ball, they will score eventually no matter how many times you patrol the rafters. Your team is retarded if they care about the rafters, control mid, get every neutral ball, win.

"doing fine" financially doesn't mean the game is actually good.

Just wait until Blizzard unveils Titan. You will have your answer then.

They have until 1.2, if I'm not seriously impressed I am done.

I got my saber, chest, and legs and then stopped caring. I don't even do the daily or weekly quests anymore. In fact I'm pretty much bored of this game. I leveled an alt to 50 and started PVPing with him today. There is pretty much no point in playing the alt in PVP at this point in the game, he's too far behind in gear. Also most of the good PVPers on my faction have quit the game. P.S. How the **** do people have 11k HP in warzones at 50? I hit 50 TODAY and have 16k HP as a DPS in DPS gear.

Sith Inquisitor story is not only the worst story in the game, it's one of the worst stories in ANY game. I can summarize it for you in three sentences.

We clear both ops on hard/nm in one night, and then have nothing left to do the rest of the week.

I think you are all missing the point, it's not even leather. It's space leather.

Now they just need to add mods and macros and we can be rid of these stupid "purists" who don't even understand the features they fight against.

The worlds are static. No day/night cycles, no real weather (yes it/s snowing on hoth), no dynamic NPCs (everyone/everything just sits there waiting for you). Even the friendly fauna type stuff just sit there. meh. The game definitely lacks soul as others have described it.

How does wanting dual spec make you casual? lmao...

lol @ snipers not doing good DPS.

I usually get 10-13 medals as a tank and 2-5 MVP votes on top of that.

One MVP vote = 1 commendation. ONE COMMENDATION. MVP doesn't matter. I'm not even a healer and I think it's stupid.

Forums mods are bananas. Telling someone "not your blog" is grounds for a warning for spamming (wut) and having the post removed. I actually got BANNED for 3 days in beta for telling someone to "deal with it".

EGA was the biggest cluster **** of all time, people were right to complain about that. Some complaints about queues were legit as well, such as being thrown back into the queue if the game crashed (which it did often) or you had to relog due to one of 9 million bugs in the game that require a relog to fix.