I'm looking for solid rp stories for my character that exist outside of my guild. That being Shadow Lounge. She is always looking for opportunities. New business partners for her cybernetics company, new Sith liasons, possible students to train and new entertaining contacts of all kinds. The name Is Trayna Dyr'born in game, look me up for discussion, please be over eighteen. direbournenights on Discord.

When I get to the point where you speak to Minazar it freezes while loading the conversation.

People who are expecting them to say 'we're sorry' are acting far too entitled, this is enough. Get over yourselves.

Well thats pretty crappy.

And I'm at the end of the gift card I had used plus the sixty day card, will my free 30 days happen on the 18th then?

There has been plenty of time for people to have at least one level 50 character by now. This is your own fault. Anyway for us that do how do we access the 30 free days? Will they just be added on at our next subscription day?

I certainly hope your child is over the age of 13 so he can play this game, and I would certainly hope that if he is you would go over sex education with him sooner rather then later. Especially since 13 is around the time that being a preteen is over and puberty hits.

I for one, love this game, and you're assuming that Guild Wars 2 isn't going to have its issues or problems. Why only play one MMO when I can play 2 because one is free per month?

Quote: Originally Posted by bfrick I love this game. OP, please just quit and move along, OK? This. Word for word. Indeed.

I'm in for the long haul, got one 50, one story finished, 7 more to go, and after that do it 8 more times but play the opposite alignment, 16 ways to play through the game. It will never get old to me. I love this game.

Correction, 100,000 players dropped, 200,000 bough the game but are waiting to a certain point to start playing, my bad. Anyway, you're looking at this completely wrong. I would understand you're complaint if there were only 500,000 players altogether but since the numbers speak for themself I can't agree with you.

Guild Wars 2 is not going to be subscription based, so you can play both it and SWTOR at the same time. There is no competition because Guild Wars 2 won't be making the money to try and compete against SWTOR. Please think before speaking.

Obviously.

In other words, someone is B***hurt that they nerfed his or her character.

Actually ToR is up to 1.7 million subscribers now with at least 2 million people having bought the game that means only 300,000 have left, and they are about to get a whole new slew of players when the game releases in Australia and Asia March 1st, so everything you're saying here is unfounded and doesn't have an inkling of plausibility to it.

Yeah pretty sure no one is going to stop using the word 'race' or 'races.

I apologize if this has been asked in another thread but, I have to know. When is Master Gnost-dural going to be giving us another history lesson in the time line? After the last one about Naga Sadow I find myself craving more. Yeah I can read all about Star Wars history on Wookiepedia or the SW Encyclopedia but I want to hear him tell the story.

This is a pretty good debate, because, honestly there's no way to know. Power comes in many forms. You could say Starkiller (Galen Marek) but then you could say his Force powers are merely the result of the extreme, it doesn't make him the most powerful. Someone could still manipulate him to their will, such as Vader did successfully. So does that make Vader more powerful? Starkiller fights Vader twice but doesn't slay him, but Luke does defeat him so is Luke more powerful then Starkiller? A matter of interpretation as Obi-wan would say 'from a certain point of view'. Revan was powerful, extremely powerful. He defeated so many Mandalorians, so many Jedi, and so many Sith. He was both a Dark Lord of the Sith, and a Jedi Master. He understood the Force better then anyone having come back form darkness and having survived it. He went to Dromund Kaas, slew a powerful dark council member with little effort, and then after being captured held the Sith Emperor at bay for 300 years as around the time of the Revan novel the empire was already planning to launch its first assault. However some could argue he was just destined for greatness, not necessarily the most powerful but one of the most effective Force users out there who's actions were just as galaxy shape changing as Anakin or Cade Skywalkers. Then there's Cade himself, the first person who figures out how to bring someone back from the dead via the Force, something that Anakin wanted to learn from Sidious but Palpating had never learned it from Plagueis. Cade brings several back from the dead, saves them, not wanting to lose anyone like his great great grandfather. He is also a powerful Jedi, even uses Force lightning, even powerful enough to 'fake' becoming Sith in Darth Krayts Empire. However even the most powerful abilities can be turned against their origins. Krayt discovers how to come back from the dead and does so with a renewed body when Darth Wyyrlock betrays him, he then kills Wyyrlock taking back his empire and is only defeated after Cade seemingly slays Krayts self healing body and then has to run his ship with krayts body aboard into a nearby star to make sure Krayt stays dead. Then there's Anakin Skywalker himself who would have been the most powerful Jedi who ever lived if he had not betrayed the Republic and the Order, if Palpatine hadn't twisted him to his will. As Lucas said when Anakin is decimated by Obi-wan in their duel on Mustafar and subsequently put into a cybernetic suit, he looses about half of his power and is perhaps eighty percent as powerful as the Emperor, had he not been damaged so badly he would have been twice as powerful as any Sith, any Jedi. That and there was also a mental block it has been discussed that kept him from discovering his true potential cyborg or that his grief, self-loathing had him stuck in what he thought was as far as he could go if he could have focused and channeled the Force through him he may have been still able to reach his full potential but regret took hold as dark as he was as evil as he had become he still regretted his actions for twenty years and was always looking for a way to destroy Palpatine. Whether because he wanted to rule the Empire or use that one act to redeem his actions by destroying the monster that created his own monstrosity is unknown. However it so happens that he does do it in Return of the Jedi as he returns to the Light and is a Jedi again for the brief time period between Palpatines death and his own where he tells Luke he was right. He is a Jedi again. (hence why its called Return of the Jedi as Luke is just becoming a Jedi not returning as a Jedi so the title wouldn't be about him). All in all each character you could list did something great, whether for good or evil, in the Force. Arguing who was the most powerful by pointing out their specific acts is fine except that just because Starkiller could Force push ten people at a time doesn't mean he's more powerful then the puppet who manipulates and pulls his strings as an example.

Unfortunately my assumptions are not unfounded, even if you are not in denial about the prequels and special editions and your childhood, there are many Star Wars fans who still are and my opinion still holds an enormous amount of validity. And my opinion about the respect George Lucas deserves stands regardless. As for you yourself, since you are so bothered by my words and are adamant to defend yourself, I will concede that perhaps you are not one of them. Even if I have no idea why you felt it necessary to defend yourself to me as no matter how this discussion goes it is in fact merely opinion on both sides of the coin anyway. I feel I should apologize to you in mentioning your daughter in that way, it was not my intent to be malicious. As I said, I am sure your daughter is very smart and bright. It was mean to me to be speculative in that manner.

Thats because the offical canon is that Revan was a male human and the Exile, now known as Meetra Surik is a human female.

There was a difference to his flash of light then others. As it had a purple hue, most of the ones that mark death usually have a blue-ish hue to them. I am thinking he has figured out a way to take himself apart in the Force and rebuld himself elsewhere.

THE FOLLOWING REPLY CONTAINS SEVERAL SPOILERS None of it was retconned this was Lucasarts plan from the beginning about the true sith being out in the unknown regions and about Revan having found them before and going back out there to find them. This was author Drew Karpyshn's idea in fact. They also did not trivialize the Exile, she went with Revan to fight the Emperor, she was killed by Lord Scourge as they were facing off with him and now her Force Ghost has been keeping Revan alive for 300 years as he fought the Emperors mind probing. Thats not trivializing thats giving her a heroic purpose. Also I do not believe Revan is fully dead or that we've heard the last of him from Foundry. His health wasn't all the way down when he disappeared for one thing. And he even mentioned being able to rebuild HK-47. We'll see him again I am sure of it.

To a director, you couldn't be more insulting than you just were. By saying "He might as well have been directing", you are taking away from them. The reason Lucas didn't direct ESB or ROTJ was because he couldn't handle people questioning him all the time. He was an independent filmmaker who tried tackling a project bigger than anything he had before. He couldn't handle the pressure of directing, so he called in Irvin Kirshner. Furthermore, Irvin Kirshner, who made Empire Strikes Back arguably the greatest film of the franchise, has been directly quoted as saying Lucas referred to ESB as Irving's film, not his. And again, it's not a matter of whether Lucas was legally allowed to do it. It's the fact that fundamentally altering scenes is insulting to those who had just as much, and in some cases more, of a hand in making those films great. You're blatant disregard and somewhat disturbing lack of respect for the artists vision is greatly unnerving. Say what you want about the director, this is still Lucas's vision, no matter how much it shifts, no matter how much it changes, its still his intellectual property, still his child. If Leonardo Da'Vinci came back from the dead and decided that Mona Lisa should have a moustache I'm willing to bet you, and over analytical and overly critical people like you with fly off the handle and have a hissy fit just like you do about this topic. Irving Kirshner did an excellent job, and honestly, there were very minimal changes in Empire, he added more Wampa scenes, and filled in Cloud City, that's not even that big of a deal nor does it offend the director. If I wers Kirshner I would be impressed on how much better it makes Empire look. Fundamentally insulting or not, that doesn't matter. What matters is that its still within Lucas' rights to do so as it is his creation. The feelings of the other people who had a hand in making the films do not matter, and again, pretty much everyone involved in the changes and the prequels liked everything that he did with them in and of themselves otherwise why the heck, would they even keep working for him. One example, Rick McCallum who has worked with George for Lucasfilm ever since the Special Editions. Again, he hasn't been working on the Star Wars project for 34 years. Between ROTJ and TPM (that's just about 15 years), about his only "work" on the franchise was hiring some CGI guys to make Greedo shoot first. The point you're missing is Lucas' defense for why we must put up with his retooling of other people's work is because it lines up with his "vision" for the franchise. For the better part of a decade, he insisted that it would take nine movies to tell the whole story. Now he says it only takes six. He used to say it was about the Hero's Journey, now he says it's about Vader. The bottom line his "vision" is b/s rhetoric to gloss over the fact he's an overly sensitive man-boy who can't handle the fact that people liked the movies the way they were, not the way he wishes they were. Yes I am aware his vision continually shifts and changes, I don't know why you keep repeating himself like a broken record because my broken record answer is still very much. He. Has. Every. Right. To. Do. So. And a true Star Wars fan, like myself, who loves it all should respect his right to do so. In my opinion the Special editions are better and keep getting better with every little change, the Blu-rays are even better then the 2004 DVD editions and they were better then the Special editons of 97 and those are far superior to the original trilogy because the tech is there to make them better to add more to the world to be the vision he originally wanted them to be but did what he could with what he had at the time. And again you are wrong he was always working on Star Wars he continously was working on Star Wars you tend to forget the Droids and Ewoks animated series of the 80s not to mention the Two Ewoks TV movies during the 80s and he had been working on the Special Edition changes since 1994 and preproduction for Episode 1 began in 97 so your assumed time line of how much he worked on his 34 year project is lacking in definition and meaning. Especially since I was generally speaking in the first place. So to explain to your seemingly overly critical and literal mind "He has been working on Star Wars off and on and it has been a growing phenomenon for the past 34 years." Is that better for your sensibility? I'm not even sure why I'm arguing this point as it is trivial to the topic anyway. As for your "Return of the Jedi" not referring to Luke, now you're just making up speculative crap. Nowhere has anyone ever even remotely indicated that during original production, the title "Return of the Jedi" had to do with Anakin "returning" to being a Jedi. It's about Luke ushering in the return of the Jedi by taking down the Emperor. The fact that Anakin/Vader is the 'Jedi' that returned in ROTJ has been accepted by the majority of Star Wars fans since the movie itself came out in 83 so apparently you missed something. This is not speculative crap, this is Star Wars Canon and is accepted by Star Wars fans, except for you apparently. See, this is the biggest mistake defenders make: just because you like the prequels, and I don't, clearly I am "making up" my opinion that they are bad films. I point back to my favorite case study: my 5 year old daughter watched the original films and absolutely loved them. Then she watched the prequels, and couldn't even get halfway through Episode I before she asked if we could turn it off. Why? Because she was bored. Your daughter is a moot point because I'm pretty sure she only thinks they are boring because she hears her daddy complain about them all the time so she wants to be like her daddy, its called role modeling, must be proud of yourself as you taught her to hate them. I'm sure you're daughter is smart but I'll consider her opinion as more valid when she reaches full maturity. I still think this opinion is made up by you that you just think they are bad movies. This is why. you're hatred is already born out of a fact you hated the Special Editions and jumped on the bandwagon of the fans who also hated them instead of respecting the artists, George Lucas's vision so its hard for me to accept the fact that you actually have given the prequels a chance because you still had that self given bad taste in your mouth from the special editions so you probably went into them ready to be critical of them. I guarantee if the prequels had been released first they would have been accepted as generally really great movies without anything to compare them to and they wouldn't be judged like this. Though I could also point out the fact that despite peoples claims on how much they suck they still made millions upon millions of dollars at the box office and their critical praise still out shone their detractors. I'm pretty sure Roger Ebert gave both the Phantom Menace and Revenge of the Sith A's or Five Stars however his rating system work, so are you going to sit there and tell me that Ebert doesn't know what he's talking about either? Do you know what the difference between a professional and amateur critic is? One gets paid to give their opinion. I've explained to you the problem, yet you're still glossing over it. The reason these are hounded compared to other bad films is because of the impact they've had on the original trilogy. You can dismiss that if you want, but then you're never going to understand. The explanations you have are born again out of your hatred of the changed special editions and there fore your opinions on the prequels are infected by an innate pre-disposition to dislike them because you were probably expecting them to fail before hand. You didn't give them a real chance, and still aren't. Why? Because you think your child hood is 'ruined'. Deny it all you want, but that is most definitely the case here. No, what I'm saying didn't even remotely imply that all CGI is garbage. I said "this CGI bull****" in direct reference to 1) the three prequels that Lucas made where far more time has been spent by Lucas and his cohorts lauding the amount of bluescreens and special effects and digital cameras were used than has been spent discussing characters and story, and 2) the Special Editions, where Lucas inserted a bunch of CGI bull**** into three films that made them worse, not better. LOTR only used CGI when live-action was impractical. Avatar (which no, I don't think was a great film, but was fun to watch) was almost entirely CGI, which removes the uncanny valley problem you get with CGI. And Pixar are fully CGI. Where Star Wars failed was by trying to insert fully interactive CGI characters into almost every single scene alongside live actors who are trying to have physical and emotional reactions to a character that does not exist. Ah well it would have done you good to explain this before hand before making a broad generalization about CGI. Anyways, I disagree, I find that the CGI improves the quality of all six movies and makes the worlds more alive, more filled in and helps them take shape better. Things are more colorful and interesting now. The bottom line is you can like these films if you want, but stop blaming my dislike of them purely on nostalgia. Even without a Star Wars backstory, I do not find them entertaining enough to watch again. And the fact that their influence has been shoehorned into the original trilogy is the reason they get blasted more than other "not good" CGI spectacles. Again its hard for me to believe this, you may believe it yourself but it sounds like you are trying to convince yourself of this more then you are trying to convince the rest of us. That being said I rest my case, my opinion is not going to change even if you type up another response to all of the points I am making. I am sure you'll rage more and more. Everyone is entitled to their opinion I just again, believe the majority in this case is wrong and needs to get over the whole 'he ruined my child hood' schtick and grow up.

1. They're not his movies. He was the original idea man, but it was the efforts of hundreds of people (including several story editors) that brought the original trilogy to screen. And since he wasn't the director for either Episodes V or VI, his re-editing of those films without the original directors' permissions was highly inappropriate, regardless of legality. The people that helped him create these movies love them and put as much care into them as he did, and as the creator of the story and sole owner of Star Wars he does have the right to change them how he wants. The directors, who did great excellent jobs by the way as I'm not taking anything away from them, were still under his direction as he was still on set for both Empire strikes back and Return of the Jedi the entire time anyway so he might as well have been directing. 2. He hasn't had a 30 year old plan. He made it up as he went along, doubly-so for the prequels, in which he was writing the scripts as they were filming. In other words, between ROTJ and TPM, he wasn't doing squat when it comes to working on the Star Wars story. It's been confirmed that when he wrote Episode IV, Vader was just a token villain, the muscle. They didn't come up with the idea that Vader was Luke's father until late in production of Episode V. What does this mean? His recent statements that Star Wars is "The story of Anakin Skywalker's fall and redemption" is complete and utter horsepoodoo. I never said he had a thirty year plan, he has been working on the Star Wars project for 34 years, (2007 being the anniversary of the original Star Wars film, plus four more years and one month basically around 34 years) I am well aware that he made changes as he went along but you are wrong in the fact that he didn't have the stories and wasn't constantly working on them to be ready for production even if the fine tuning of the scripts didn't come until the prequels were being made he still had the basic ideas finally put together, it took that long to bring it all together and the story of Anakins fall and redemption is not horse crap as that is what it is now, even if it was different in the beginning as he was working on it, that is what it has become and that was established in the original trilogy already, not in the prequel trilogy. Episode VI is in fact calld 'Return of the Jedi' and the title is NOT talking about Luke, as Luke is just becoming a Jedi, he wasn't a Jedi before hand, Darth Vader was as Anakin Skywalker so, try again on your 'horsepoodoo' comment. 3. I can't say this enough times. Prequel fanboys are under the mistaken impression we hate on the prequels because of nostalgia. No, we dislike the prequels because in terms of basic cinematic storytelling, they suck. But we hate them because thanks to Lucas' constant revisioning, he's shoved a bunch of pointless references to them in the original Trilogy (unless you think a Gungan shouting "Weesa free!" at the end of ROTJ was an essential part of his original vision). So, once again, it's not the prequels themselves that are the problem. It's the fact that this CGI bull**** is the only Star Wars he gives us permission to watch nowadays. Unfortunately I find it hard to believe Star Wars fans when they claim that they just hate them because they are bad movies, you are in a state of denial that they are not like your beloved holy trilogy because they take place in a different time and place that you, like you are now are making up excuses to pretend that isn't the case. The 'we just hate them because they are bad movies' is as you would use the word 'horsepoodoo' because they are not in fact bad movies, I can name a list of a 100 movies that are bad movies and the prequels would not be among them. You only see them as bad because they are nothing like the original trilogy but you want to deny your nostalgia for the sake of looking like you know what you're talking about when it comes to being critical of movies as if you were a professional critic yourself. Or at least that is what it seems like ninety percent of the time due to the fact of how vehemently these movies are hounded when they do not deserve that hounding. CGI is not -expletive deleted- as you so delicately put it. It is the next best thing, it allows movie goers and movie makers to explore worlds they otherwise couldn't before hand. Are you going to sit there and tell me you hate all movies with CGI in them? Because by your comment you seem to hate CGI, so you may want to rephrase that. Because that would entail you hate movies like Avatar, Lord of the Rings trilogy, and also any Pixar Movie as Lucasfilm isn't the only production company that uses CGI so that statement is a broad generalization. Thanks for numbering your points to make it easier for me to make my counter points.

Honestly all the flak people give George Lucas is wrong. He told the stories he wanted to tell in the way he wanted to tell them, not the way anyone feels he should tell them. They are his stories, his movies. They aren't our movies. He did an incredible job but no one will see it because they are to busy stuck in the past wanting these new movies to be like the old ones. They deny the mastership crafting of his work in order to ridicule him for supposed 'stealing their childhood'. Well if that is the case then you didn't really have much of a childhood did you? Try to see it from his perspective. He has had this story in him for years, he's worked on it for years and years. It's literally a 34 year old project now, with the Clone Wars continuing that project, putting all the pieces together. A massive universe that was created allows us to have SWTOR for example, to play in, and to enjoy in all kinds of formats from the movies themselves to all the other games and the series and comics. So to be ungrateful to him and judge the prequels in my mind is both wrong and unjust. He put a lot of his money and effort to bring these stories to life and all people can do is act bratty and judgmental. Even having the kahunas in some cases to say they could do a better job. Oh really? Then where is your director credit on any movie? Where is your millions to create that movie? No you couldn't do a better job, you couldn't even come close to creating the rich worlds the movies take place in. You couldn't even come close to writing better dialogue without making it sound like some sort of over bloated fan film. And just because people can imitate light saber graphics and costumes of Star Wars doesn't mean they could bring an actual good Star Wars film to life all on their own without the backing of Lucasfilm. But you know everyone has a right to their opinion, in this case I just humbly believe the majority is totally and explicitly wrong and needs to try to watch the movies again, from a different view point that hopefully this post has enlightened them to.