all the same reasons that drove me to unsub.

couldn't agree more. same story here(bolded). beta, early access, server 1st BM, etc. so much unfulfilled potential.

^^^ couldn't agree more. all that needs to be done is adjust damage and type. there HAS to be a fair-minded Dev around here that can see the obvious issues and pattern of failure plaguing these classes...even without sifting thru 1000+ posts. PT/VG = aweseome. Merc/Cmdo = suck. what's the main differences? instant cast and damage type. class fixed. i'd resub for an instant cast merc. (power shot) *EDIT* i haven't played in months, and coming here makes me realize, i don't miss it. nothing is changing for the class. a few small band-aids. they are not correcting the issues that make merc unplayable in PvP and low-tier DPS in PvE. i just don't get it. everyone knows how awesome (some would even say OP) PT/VG is...THE MIRROR SPEC OF MERC/COMMANDO!!!!! am i the only one that finds that both ironic and maddening?

that is awesome!

I'm pretty much out the game, but even a 60s CD doesn't warrant a spot on rated, imo. (i'm not speaking on heals...i do not know) PT/VG and sniper still > for ranged DPS. Assy/Shdw still greater utility, even moreso now! and Mercs are still an easy tgt for smash monkeys. what role is Merc filling? and in what role does Merc perform as well as any other class? i STILL cannot find any justification on bringing a Merc into RWZ.

well played, good sir. well played.

overall, i'd definitely say it is a positive for mercs. Pyro gets some nice tools, and the heal looks great. but, that doesn't address MY concerns for Merc, sadly. power shot gets a decent burst...but, not at all useful in PvP because it still requires you to cast. oh well

LOL!! the decisions made, the QA, and the testing/feedback process is nonexistant!! no, dare i say, blue frogs, or any sort of mechanism to allow for proper testing of end-game balance or functionality...i guess it's all done internally and based on metrics... and, not sure of the factuality, but i believed it is: so, i'm skeptical, at best, anything done on PTS is nothing more that bug catching. or obvious math discrepancies...i.e. bolster.

i'll take that bet...

i hear ya, Disappoint. i'm feeling the game quality is in a state of degression. you remember champion bags, right? then, free valor...then free recruit gear... this is not my idea of an MMORPG...it's a multiplayer, tinity-based, linear gaming experience. i've given up hoping it will be, or grow into, something it is not...and never will be. it's free tho...so, just pop on like it's KOTOR...or jump on, consume the new content, and come back as they publish new, interesting stuff... that's how i'm handling my dissapointment!!

this is actually one of the most important underlying issues that was ruining my SWTOR PvP and end-game PvE experience. other than the obvious gross imbalance of the classes, server connectivity, and bugs. this game is like a chocolate bunny. delicious shell, hollow in the middle. great game, dumbed down. there's little challenge to acquiring gear, creating a spec (all cookie cutter), or balancing your stats (min/max). been here since launch, it's getting "easier" and "easier". from bags to free PvP gear giveaways!! (oh and free valor giveaway...i'm still bitter ) now u can PvP in PvE gear...and do well?!! idk...can i buy raid gear thru PvP? or gain a buff to run OPs in PvP gear? or, can i just get a free set of PvP AND PvE gear with purchase of RotH? oooo, better yet, can i just buy them thru CC? church and state are serarate...as PvE and PvP should be!! idk, guess i just expect more.

i think a lot of players overestimate how well they play in PvP. like has been stated numberous times...over and over, Merc can be played quite efficiently versus players of lesser skill. when it comes time to play with the pros, Mercs are nothing short of a hinderance to their team. they are easy kills, weaker healers, and their dps is easily shut down. so, thanks for the optimism, but you're missing the point of this post.

just like the Rob Hinkle post, i expect to hear little from an actual developer concerning Merc/'mando issues. it much easier to pop in here and say, "hey guys. check out my funny post. i talk just like you guys!!" it's an easy tactic to avoid confrontation yet still remain popular and "credible"...and still claim they communicate with they players. all the people "quote" the dev in their repost, hinging on every word almost like some sort of celebrity. yet, they have said or done minimal to actually communicate with the community concerning any real issues or containing any real information. i'm not sure "afraid" would be the right word. i'd use ignorant. as clearly any and all BW devs have no idea, other than what they see in their metrics, how the game and classes even play or perform. it takes mere minutes to prove how lackluster and underperforming Merc/'mando is, in it's current state. yet, there is no communication as to how to improve. (other than the blasphemy that is pillar humping) so, from my experience, i expect to see minimal changes, or even the direct addressing, to the actual issues and more fluff and "check out me, i'm a funny guy" posts, instead of facing these issues head on. but, it's been nearly 9 months now? do we really expect anything different at this point? they have already set their expectations, most just hang around here on hope.

if i may... Pyrotech is NOT fine. First, unload does not proc 100%, if interrupted. Well, not since the last time i PvP'd on mine. Second, power shot is our other RS proc'ing ability!! use it once in awhile...no, it needs to be a consistant part of a Pyro's rotation in order to maintain even a decent level of DPS, especially compred to Powertech shared tree, which can do all this while having it be elemental damage and uniterruptable, and kiting!!! at the ideal range of 7-9m. depending on rapid shots while kiting, to be even in the same ballpark as effective as what other classes do while your rapid shotting it up, is NOT fine...you will die, fast. Merc pyrotech is NOT fine.

i got no problem with it, tbh. most of it was half decent(at best) info wrapped in a self righteous tirade. i'd prefer it stay on topic and be an actual PRODUCTIVE debate. that dude, and the responses he solicits, have no place here but to derail from the issues we are debating and fighting to get acknowledged. there is fact and evidence here proving the gross imbalance in PvP, PvE, and RWZ PvP. do not let the trolls derail this. while there is nothing wrong with debate, the way to go about it should remain respectful.

i hear ya...REALLY, i do. been a Merc since the dawn of time and, Merc can be successful, sure!! go play Powertech. your Merc will make you cry!! Merc can be successful, sure!! it just takes extraordinary skill to keep up and/or be competative. and, not trying to be insulting, just CLEAR, for the lurkers and nut-jobs. extraordianry : going beyond what is usual, regular, or customary. what my merc can do, my VG can do better...way better. (talking DPS) with less effort, less pillar humping, less interruption. and, i think that is what most of us are trying to get acknowledged.

^^^ this, FO' REALZ! there is absolutely no conversation addressing these concerns, whether it is Mercs in PvP or any of the other classes that are suffering. instead, as it appears based on the datamined info, they (BW/EA) decide what they feel is best for the classes and game, and use little to no consumer feedback. just a poor business model. there ARE good posts and info in here, proving the gross imbalances in PvP, and even PvE. they go ignored. some complaints are beyond belief and invalid, sure. but, most of the real complaints have been backed up with facts and evidence, yet NOTHING is being done to address these concerns. piss poor. and that is fact. as TUX said... i'd just like to have a discussion, a serious discussion, with someone from BW/EA. instead of, "yeah we know...we're gonna do better"... and get electronet... to quote the famous Pandora... "Are you still listening?"

they won't. i've been in many forum discussions vs. "merc is fine", "l2p", you know the rest. yet, when i provide parses and SS evidence, the discussion always turns into hearsay and opinion. i have a VG/assault and a Merc/pyro...i gave my VG the gear my Merc was wearing. instantly, my VG did + ~150-200 DPS...on a dummy, that can't interrupt!!! in PvP, the disparity is exponential. when it's all about TTK and burst, commando/merc has little to no shot. that is just FACT! sure, there are superior players that make the class work. but, look at the numbers. go to torparse and see how well these classes are performing... then, use common sense and a little brain power and realize commando/merc is severly hindered!!

^^^ pretty much what i've been saying since June 2012... i will never play a casting class in SWTOR...it's so damn easy to shut em down. and mercs??!! LOL, they need to cast to build up DPS!! seriously, who the frank is in charge over there? a damn 7 year old?

opinions and hearsay are not admissable evidence in this discussion. REAL numbers, REAL facts, REAL evidence... if you have none, then you have nothing else to contribute other than opinion.

it is mind-bottling that people still argue this!! it is EASILY provable through RWZ experiences, competative PvP with skilled players, and PvE parsing. make a Merc move or interrupt them, and they are boned!! Pre 1.2 i seen Mercs own because nobody knew what the heck an interrupt was. the class has been in disarray post 1.2. (even 1.2 if you knew how to play)

o eye no!

he's lost, dude....he says Merc DPS is "fine"... yet, i've proven, through thorough evidence, otherwise. and his comeback is, "i want this, i want that", which i never said. he never disproves anything i say with facts or evidence, just hearsay and opinion. all i'm asking for, and trying to prove, is Merc DPS is HIGHLY underperforming versus other classes. and i'm not saying other classes are not in the same boat... also, i've never even asked for any nerfs... just proving that Merc would benefit in PvP and PvE scenarios if they weren't so easily interrupted and able to cast on the run or instantly...all PvE parses PROVE this, and PvP...well, there's over 160+ pages of evidence and complaints...i don't even need to justify that!! it is BW, not me, that stated all DPS classes would be +/- 5% within on DPS...and i've proven otherwise. yet, i still cannot get a legit response or argument explaining why this is. you ask ANY Merc that has played PT (or pub equiv.) and they will agree...if they disagree, then they can prove me wrong through performance...i.e. parses.

wish my rail shot crit 74% of the time...

you are terrible at debating, plain and simple. i NEVER said Mercs/Commands can't pull their weight in OPs...NEVER...quote my post, please. if you truly think Merc/commando is fine, you are a dolt. http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=548897 now, i don't expect you to read through the 100+ pages of insight and information, PROVING how gimped mercs are, compared to other classes. i don't expect you to even know of the post similar to this that reached 60+ pages. why? because you're talking out your arse. i've shown you PROOF...i've provided evidence, parses, and in-game examples and experience. all you've done is claim you're an engineer (which i'm starting to believe, because most of the engineers i deal with in electronics, have no social or logical thinking outside their expertise, which is the only thing you have proved). you have brought NOTHING in terms of backing up your debate with hard evidence. explain to me the leaderboards on torparse...explain to me this (ripped from another post): further evidence: Merc/Commando performances. from torparse.com HM KP: BT- 2 top 50 J&S- 1 top 50 Foreman- 4 top 50 Fabricator- 5 top 50 (and i was told that fight don't count) Karaaga- 4 top 50 EV HM: XRR- 4 top 50 Gharg- 3 top 50 SOA- 9 top 50 (look at shadows/sins!!) EC HM: Z&T- 4 top 50 F&S- 1 top 50 Vorath- 4 top 50 Keph- 12 top 50 (hmmm) TFB HM: WH- 4 top 50 CHK- 1 top 50 Op9- 10 top 50 (and i know why) Keph- 0 (ZERO) top 50 TFB- 2 top 50 Merc is being outperformed, MASSIVELY!! hold their own, sure...outperformed, TOTALLY. deny that, and you're a fool... or, PROVIDE EVIDENCE to support your side of the debate. *EDIT* get your mercs and commandos in your guild (LOL, my guild CAN'T have both Merc and Commando, but you're "special") to come in here and tell me how "fine" their DPS is...how fine it is compared to snipers, marauders, sentinels...how they are within the +/- 5% DPS BW claims they are, or should be. i'd love to read it...oh, and ask them to provide evidence, too...please...parses, numbers, SOLID evidence...not opinion and hearsay.