Back On Topic. This is a dr that should have been in the game at launch.. No one would be whining since it acts like every other percentage stat. Basically everyone is getting a nerf but yes there are some specs that have autocrit specs that will have to change it up some. But at the end of the day this needed to happen we are in first 2 months of game and people are having insane crits. We should be happy enough we get a surge stat because most games just have a set 130% or 150% crit percent. So at least we can still get into the 170-180%s Some specs will need to be retweaked but unless you are a crazy surge stacked it shouldn't change up any balance.

yup as guy said. Pommel comes off the bars at 50 but i took it off long before that.. 45 sec cd ability that can only be used on weak npcs i can 2 shot anyways is worthless. No reason for it to take up barspace considering jedi knights have too many binds already. yup and everyone has some hard hitting vs weak npc move. That is not used in ops or pvp. Its just how it is. And would be OP if they could be used in pvp.

OP basically has no points.. 15 min isn't going to hurt casuals.. It will make them not leave.. And tbh its only 15 min.. That is about as long as the game would take to finish anyways... Almost all the real reasons to not have a deserter i see are the fact you can get it without leaving the game.. File that under BW fix your game.. Also it is a large assumption that SW TOR is non mmo playing casuals.. Maybe the levelers but the pvpers for the most part are not new to the genre. Dont mean to be too rude but the quality of play will go up if people cannot leave and requeue all i see are serial quitters wanting to still be able to do it.. thinking they are not impacting the game at all..

aw snap its Protokill. I was all excited about tera a years ago but then i kinda heard blah things but now.. I think i will check it out. That is if it comes out. Wasn't there some iccues with NCsoft sueing them?

yeah bunch of sorcs 1-2 guardians and that is all you need.(i play guardian btw and think its cheese, i can completely screw up and fall into the pit and still get an easy score if the other team has anyone spawning soon) Force Charge is pretty good because its so easy to get to the pit then charge someone who just rezzed. There really is almost no where someone can res and not for a second be in range and los to get charged up to. Will see how these strats turn out in ranked but for the most part i can't see a big flaw in a sorc + guardian team.

To do the bug it is very easy to accidentally do.. It is something that can happen by someone not trying to bug people into the game. As far as i know in order to get 12 you need to have two groups try it. I know on my server there are at least two premades that every single game i run into them they have 10+ people in the game. And they queue most of prime time so ya know its pretty annoying.

If you are starting to pvp at 50 for the first time the only thing you are missing is 6 champ bags and some experience in the zone and pvp experience. You have a longer run to BM but tbh you dont need to be BM to do well in pvp.

who cares? Gear is Gear... If its only equal that super leet skilled pvper should win everytime vs that carebear pve'er in raid gear... Once upon a time MMO's didn't have different rulesets for pvp. And i really hate to break it to you.. The MMO genre has matured and most people are capable of being good at both. Heck most only pvpers are average at best. Some of the best pvpers i have ever played with across many games have excelled in both PVP and PVE.. Good example is the #1 guild in this game. They are good at pve and some of the better pvpers i have played with.

ok some advice if, God forbid, you ever try to make another video.. #1 your ultra super lame leet dude name for the video sucks.. That video name makes you sound 12.. #2 Montages suck.. Especially yours., Your entire video is just your charging in smashing then it cuts to the next shot... #3 Nobody cares that you can do big#s you may think that is cool you gibbed someone(hell sometimes you cut to the next charge smash part before the other guy even dies) #4 A pvp video should be more than a highlight reel.. A good pvp video includes highlights from awesome things you have done and crazy situations you got out of but that isn't the entire content. There needs to be more there so the viewer can watch and understand what is going on. Not just you killing random newbs with big #s. #5 I would maybe spend more time learning to play than making videos right now( i lost count how many times you whiffed smash and most likely never noticed it.. Why rush a pvp video? Just so you can be efamous? I see no reason to only have 3 hours to post a video, why did this pos have to come out today? Why not take the time and get 1-2 weeks of good footage and put together something better than warzone smash highlights?

pretty much this. Just because someone was getting every piece they needed 40percent of the time doesn't mean the system was working.. System is fine, maybe some price tweaks here and there but the concept is fine for now. And imo makes it so you can gear up to cent really fast. Which was the original intent.

awful. I didn't realize people still focus bomb enough to make vids and post bout it.

lol 8/10

i doubt OP is even 50.. He has no concept of how the level 50 system even works. He based his entire argument out of the false notion that you will get a different needed piece of gear every X%. Which is completely false and he has based his entire argument off of a wrong fact. This way is better and more predictable. I think it gives away champ gear for free, do some dailies buy some bags get some of the best gear in the game. Ez Only thing i can think of is the OP wants it to be harder to get gear and is going about it in a round about way.. Or is just a troll. and to that other guy whining about turning 50 and not killing everyone his first day.. You obviously dont understand how gear works.. BM gear is BARELY better than Champ gear and for the most part most BM's are still in a ton of champ gear.. So you are losing because of yourself not because of gear if you are in champ gear.

huh when did i say balance in wow was fine? I said people had the impression it was fine.. I spent my vanilla time in full t2 and t3 before anyone else so dominating people in raid gear was what i did. But that raid gear became outdated in bc and moved right into arena gear.

people seem to forget that everyone thought wow's balance was more than fine BEFORE the first season of arenas. Since all we knew was duels and 10on10 wsg we assumed every class could do well in arena.. Well when season 1 launched it was pretty lol funny how broke 2on2 was and how OP some comps were in 3s. Some people may not know this but season 1 wow arena 5vs5 was the most balanced competitive played bracket mainly because 3s and 2s was soo broke. Arena will put the balance under a microscope. In wow pre arena anyone could go around dominated in a battleground it was just a different game. Overnight in arena with no class changes it was night and day. Once you go into small scale arena its an entirely different game and trust me the wheels will come off the balance if they add arena without the balance set up for arena. From what i see is there will be quite a few AC's completely left out compared to other options. I think rated warzones is a start to balance though because 8 man premades will bring to the surface what happens when you have geared 8 players playing together vs another set of geared 8 players. A lot of gimmicks imbalances and cheese will come out and hopfully fixed. Also the way BW made tor seem balanced is they basically gave everyone the option to just blow someone up. Having more dps than defense really makes everyone seem balanced and as wow has taught us that will not work in arena. Once matches go long and we survive longer the real powerful classes will be noticed. This isn't seen as much since most AC's can gib someone in the warzone chaos.

cmon.. Imo sorcs aren't really OP but to say they take effort and skill to play well in pvp dps is just silly. There is a reason they are so popular and it isn't because they take a ton of skill to play well.. They are by far the best class when stacked with itself.. 2-3 Sorcs playing together running channel spec atm is pretty fotm and more powerful than any other 2-3 classes stacked together i have seen. But i am unsure if its the class itself or the fact every game has 5-6 of them in it with 2-3 of them premaded together cheesing up the match.

OP's idea doesn't fix the quality of play issue at all. IF anything it makes it worse.. Once people have their dailies done its back to the valor grind and guess what.. if there is no penalty for leaving, people will still leave thus making the games suck for everyone who sticks it out. I dont understand why people are so against an easy fix of just making people go on 15-20 min cooldown for afking.. It worked well in every game that has added it. Quality of games with a deserter buff has always been better than quality of games without it. It wont fix everything but it will stop all the people who just game hop till they get a winner. You dont have a right to be on a good random pug every time you queue and win every game you play... So get over it. Yes TOR's wz maps are not as fun as past games so people tend to just play only dailies and that is it. That is BW's fault for making TOR pvp nothing but a 15 min at a time minigame.

huttball the ruleset is close and a solid activity. The problem is it is not pvp for the most part, the map is pretty bad and if you play to win and no one else does its annoying and the rewards to play not to win are basically just as good. Id take a good ctf map over huttball anyday. That said Huttball is the second best map of the three

i was always hoping that SWTOR would just not have stealth.

OWPVP != Zerg I was hardcore RVR in daoc.. i was hardcore wow pvp classic(old title grind) then arena for all the years i played. I was the same in Aion then back to Wow arena. I dont understand why people seem to think bad of one or the other. OWPVP has the chance to be some of the most skillful think on your feet pvp it also can be an unfair #s game. Arena can be an awesome game with tons of skill and teamwork involved. It can also be a scripted team duel that comp matters more than anything else. Both have their ups and downs. The problem is OWpvp lately has been the awful wow model which is not what real OWpvpers want. So its a bad example. Ilum is not the best OWpvp has to offer.. I go through phases personally. I like doing open world stuff and i get into an arena kick too. But tbh i had more fun in daoc rvr than i ever did in the 2600+ bracket in wow arena. I did enjoy both though.

OP has to be a troll or just not even 50.. It is WAYYY easier and consistent/predictable to get champ gear now.. His original non"fact" of how many trade in pieces you get and how usable they are is just wrong which makes his entire point invalid. Could post more but his entire conclusion is based of something that is wrong. BM is still rng but going from 3 champ tokens to 15 a bag basically finishes off your champ set pretty fast. Also OP is crying about facing BMs.. TBH most bms are not full BM gear they are in champ gear the very same gear that bioware is giving away right now.. If you have champ gear and are losing to people then it is your fault and not a gear issue.

knockbacks are pretty bad mostly because almost EVERYONE has them.. Some games its comical how its just a non stop knock off of crap. It would be alright if 1-2 specs had it and they actually had to spec to get it not just get it baseline... I know its considered balanced because of passing but i think the real fact is it is just no fun constantly being knocked around. There is a reason other good mmo's do not give out knockbacks out like candy is players generally dont like getting knocked back and around. it is just bad design plus it is MUCH easier to knock someone off than it is for them to counter the knock off with a pass/positioning etc.

the pvp in this game is a much bigger fail than WAR. At least pvp in WAR was ok once in awhile..!

ROFL exactly OP fail there. He really thought this through No idea why people overthink it. 15 min deserter counts down while logged off. ez.

i Also agree with others have said that the impression was they had some solid Mythic people working on the game and instead we got pvp seemingly from a group of people who have never made pvp in a game before and have never pvped before in their life. I also think that many people from all games who like pvp came here because they love starwars they like bioware single player and with a budget this big expected the pvp to be at least playable. I know i was not expecting DAOC2 etc but i was expecting a fun addicting experience that was at least smooth and fun. Heck leveling on a pvp server was the worst pvp leveling experience i have ever had. Never in my life have had i had so little and so awful pvp while leveling. Its not even the end game the entire pvp experience in this game has been a let down. And i guess being a fanboi of this game since its announcement has made me even more bitter at BW.