Do you have any plans on implementing a 2v2, 3v3 or 5v5 rated deathmatch system? The lack of endgame PVP is really something you should look into. People should not be able to recieve best PVP titles and gear just through something a bot could do.

Hunters : Junglecleave, KFC, PHDK etc Enhance: Beastcleave, RSD, Meleecleave Boomkins: LSD2, MDP + since there are 3 ways to play a DRUID why should 1 of them be viable in everything? yes i love rogue playstyle, been playing it through the whole wow career. Now tyo business. The reason the brackets look the way they do atm is because rogues have legendary daggers and casters have access to a legendary staff and dragon soul trinket are just way to insane to be allowed in PVP. That was the reason i quit wow. Because of the PVE. It was mostly a test of whose trinkets proc first. RMP and RLS are dominant ONLY because of this. If you check the numbers from previous seasons you will understand that if you were skilled, you would get high. So to quote Ygritte from Game of Thrones: You know nothing.

Your 2.5% of all comps doesn't mean anything. there are countless possibilities, you have 10 classes, who would play dk,dk,dk in 3s? or druid,druid,druid. There is a comp for EVERY class though. And that is really not a bad thing, why should you have the same chances as 3 dks vs an RMP, which is a comp with great synergy, but does that in turn mean that mages, priests and rogues can ONLY play RMP? There are several fully functional setups for every one of those classes other than rmp that are just as good and even better. I played a rogue and i prefer RLS over RMP, I somehow wasnt forced to play RMP even though there are more RMPs above 2.4k than RLS, and i did a lot better than most of the RMPs. And it's exactly like that for every class. Same goes for PVE, you need a setup with 2 tanks, 2 healers and 4 DPS (usually) for your ops. OMG THEY ARE NOT USING ALL POSSIBLE COMPOSITIONS, WHY NOT PLAY 8 SENTINELS/MARAUDERS, PVE IS SO BROKEN. So in conclusion, your point is moot.

Yes it is a deathmatch. But if it requires less skill. LOOOOOL. They have rated battlegrounds in WoW, what to the top teams consist of? Top ARENA players. Why? Because those who are good in arena are the best PVPers. And the fact that you think that every class is needed in rated warzones is also hilarious. There is practically no need for dps in warzones. Would it be better if 5 DPS defended a turret in alderaan or 2 tanks and 3 healers? WHY would someone ever want a DPS in huttball when you can just tank through the whole map or have a bunch of sorc/sages grip you out of reach. Knockdown the opposition into the pit and voila u just scored in huttball. Do you think a competitive team consisting of most top players with voice communication is gonna let you plant a bomb? Or ninja cap a base? Rated warzones should be implemented for those who enjoy warzones, and they SHOULD receive better gear and titles than people who are playing normal warzones. BUT you should also have an alternative for that. And the only PVP that even remotely promotes individual skill is in fact a so called 3v3 deathmatch.

If you are bad in arena then you deserve worse rating. If you play on a rating that is above your average skill level then by all means you should lose. Do you expect to be a top player with no skill and no experience? How did you even post this comment? I would be ashamed as soon as i started typing. Arena IS by a large margin the pinnacle of PVP. I will say this again like i said many times before and i will say it again, people who are against arena are the ones who are extremely bad at it. And the post above is exactly the proof needed. People who play arena on higher rating DESERVE better gear than someone who is botting warzones. Everyone saying that it's comp based. Ok, do you want to play 3 sentinels/marauders and if you dont win then arena sucks and its comp based? There was not even 1 single good argument AGAINST arena in the last 13 pages. "Look what it did to wow" people say. Ok let's see. WoW for is an e-sport where people play ARENA and win money. WoW is the most played MMO-game of all time (if not the most played game). Not enough? WoW has existed with a fully functioning arena close to 6 years. The only problem it faced was MMR bugs etc but that has nothing to do with class imbalance. People who are skilled always got rank 1. Look at Hydra. RMP was never an extremely OP setup but yet somehow Hydra and his teammates managed to get rank 1 every time. How can you explain that? YOU KNOW NOTHING. Your petty presumptions about arena are highly invalid and without any merit whatsoever. As stated above, those who don't enjoy arena are most usually the ones who are bad at it. No one has yet answered any of my replies on this post, why? As it seems to me people just don't have a strong valid argument to go against my own.

God so many *******... Makes me wanna close this post. Answer me this. Is it fair to see a "War Hero" with full battlemaster gear afk in a BG? Is it fair that, if you are the most skilled PVP player on the planet and you have nothing to show for it? You all act as if arena is so comp based and you could opnly win with a certain comp. To be FAIR that's ********. The only people who would say such a thing are people who FAIL at arena. Look at the arena tournaments, is everyone playing the same comp, the BEST one? Look at the 3v3 ladder on every battlegroup, is there only one comp in the top 50? Watch one of Neilyo's arena movies and see what kind of skill should be rewarded. Watch Hydra. Everyone who says that arena is compbased is someone who failed terribly at it. And you have no real argument to prove me wrong other than your QQ. And people who think rated warzones are gonna be the salvation. Think about it. Take huttball for example. You will NEVER win if your team doesn't have many pushbacks/grips. Why would someone want to take a sentinel/maradeur in their group when they could have a sorc/sage or a tank with an offensive grip? Look at rated bgs in WoW. It's EXTREMELY comp based. A LOT more compased than arena is. If you don't have a mage in your team you wont have good cc, if you dont have a rogue in your team for smokebomb it's close to impossible to kill a flag carrier. In rated warzones there will always be a dreamteam. And since it's 8v8 it doesn't promote individual skill. I beg of you, don't act like you know ANYTHING about arenas if you got to 2.2k and think that you are the best but the meleecleaves just facerolled your healer all the time and that's why you didn't get glad.

FACEPALM, because arena is 1v1..... That's the point of arenas. 1v1 is close to IMPOSSIBLE to balance. 2v2 is completely impossible. But 3v3 is already self balancing. For example, If you are an assassin/shadow, you will have a hard time 1v1 vs tank classes. However in 3v3, the tank class wont do enough damage to you that your healer can't easily overheal. The fact that they can survive, does it make them op or simply they choose survival before damage...

I really cant understand how you are not seeing this. THERE IS NO FULLFILLMENT IN WARZONES. NOTHING. Let's say you have full batllemaster gear. What have you done that is so special that no1 else could? What have you done that a bot couldnt? NOTHING. Why keep playing warzones after you have full battlemaster gear? To see big crits on low geared people? Like i said before. Warzones are great fun but they are not rewarding in the least. They are a means to an end. Why does everyone keep acting like arena brings forth balance issues and posts about how OP a certain class is. PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE PVP FORUM. No arena = no QQ posts <<<<<<YEAAAAAAAAAA And also people who enjoy taking quotes out of context, get this once and for all. Blizzard regretted implementing arenas SO LATE INTO THE GAME. This game is still new and with AMAZING prospects. Arena won't ruin it, if anything it will only enhance the experience and attract a larger focus group. It takes 0 skill to get the most prestigeous PVP rank/gear. That's what my problem is. Can you clear Karragas Palace on nightmare with a random PUG? UNDERSTAND THIS. PLEASE. To qoute Jon Snow: ARE YOU BLIND OR IS IT THAT YOU DO NOT WISH TO SEE? P.S. Arena doesn't CREATE balance issues, it HIGHLIGHTS them for a decent developer team who can separate a keyturning noob's QQ and actual problems with the game.

Is there any plans on implementing any endgame for PVP. Right now PVP is endless warzone spam. I know about rated Warzones, but something that is more reliant on individual skill. Such as 3v3 death matches for example, something where you MUST posses a certain degree of skill in order to recieve rewards.

That's exactly my points, WARZONES IS NOT ENOUGH!!! Warzones should be a means to get geared, not the endgame for PVP. And also having everyone being able to get full battlemaster is highly unfair. Why should someone who is not good at the game recieve the best rewards? It doesn't make sense. There is no endgame to pvp. Once you reach battlemaster rank, what is there to do? You've completed SWTOR PVP. That's the problem. And the reason i want arena is to avoid the stupid 1v1 balance thread, if you take a look at the forum atm, theya re full of "suggestions" of what class is op and vice versa. Arena balances itself out. And maybe exactly ARENA is not the answer, but right now PVP is a dead end, and arena would be a perfect solution to that.

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^^ True dat^^ It makes me sad that the only reason people don't want arenas seem to be because of the QQ it would cause... If let's say Feral Druids were so OP then why doesn't every team in top 10 have a feral druid? With great partners and great skill you can achieve anything you want no matter your class. Take rogues for example. They will not do as much damage head on as a warrior or any other melee class would, nor have they ever been extremely OP, but yet the people who are considered the most skilled are in fact playing rogues, because there are no limitations to what you can do with the tools you are provided with. That goes for every class, if you think that sages suck because they cant take a sniper 1v1 that doesn't make snipers OP, it only means that you are not fully using the tools at your disposal. U would QQ on forums about how OP snipers are but at the same time snipers would QQ about how OP something else is because they destroy snipers 1v1. And that is the main source of QQ. People who want an easy fix to their problems... Melee classes SHOULD outdps you in melee that's why you have tools to outdistance them etc, and 90%+ of the QQ is really not something to be taken seriously.

FACEPUNCH, when double facepalm isn't enough

And also they can introduce 100 new warzones and it's still not gonna make PVP competetive. And I think that the matchmaking they are introducing to warzones is personal (i could most certainly be wrong though). So lets say you are the best SWTOR pvper there is, but you would still lose all warzones if you are setup with 7 random *******. Then you would have lower rating than a "retard" who is set up with 7 pros. But if it's like Rated Battlegrounds in WoW, then sure it's a start, but warzones/battleground do not promote individual skill so much due to the number of players, that's why I want arena. And stop writing about 2v2 setups. 2v2 is IMPOSSIBLE to balance. There is absolutely no way in hell 2v2 arena can be even remotely balanced. NEVER. 3v3 though is a LOT more balanced. And it gives SWTOR an opportunity to become an e-sport!

Of course you are right, because famous WoW players like Neilyo, Snutz, *********** HYDRA, achieved their fame and world renown by playing a dreamteam comp and burning through all cds in 30 sec? A skilled RLS for example would win vs a faceroll TSG/Kittycleave almost every time. The problem with WoW arena is that it takes perfect coordination and flawless execution to achieve victory as a regular comp whereas a "dreamteam" can afford several mistakes. Also you cant hope to know what arena would be like in SWTOR. My thread was about cempetetive PVP, arena was just a suggestion, although it's what im hoping for. Please do not turn this into a WoW-arena discussion.