Champ gear = I get to look like a parakeet BM gear = I get to look like a parakeet at a rave WH gear = I get to look like swamp thing whose face exploded /agrees with OP missing "Iconic and star warsy" more and more.

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Yes exactly! The assumption I have seen is that "bad" players leave but they are ignoring just what you said. The good players who leave to better spend their time gaining something instead of trying to 2-3 man win against poor odds and players who are just there to top a list for 2 seconds of bragging. The reduction you mentioned IMO was a bad move as it hits even the good players who find themselves in a match with a team who isn't trying...hence why I normally bail on those. I have two 50's. One geared in full BM and one in recruit. I die a ton on the under geared one but I get some mvp votes even with not so great numbers because they see I am doing all I can and popping everything to perform. it's obvious and I make it that way. And that's the rub, I try as I'm sure you do too...I won't stay for a team who isn't. BW says I don't have to hence the "leave warzone" button.

Too true and the unwarranted sense of entitlement. They make it sound like they should be in control of time you are paying for. LMAO I could net a phd in psychotherapy in one day just by using these forums as material.

I hate repeating myself but I feel I must...you don't pay my sub or my net. Sorry if you don't like that fact but easy fix is to start paying then I will do what you wish. Until then I will do as I please and if you don't like it? So what. I play to win with the time I paid for not to carebear an already dead team who is medal farming. That is MY CHOICE. If it ruins YOUR game then I guess the one constant is you...isn't it?

It is ridiculous because you have no grasp of those skills again obviously and are assuming a perfect scenerio where the sin has everything off CD and is totally alone in the goal area. Your arguement is not at all based in reality or understanding of the class nor those skills and you just made that even more clear. You must have played on some record breaking bad teams. "So the people who disagree with me..." That's so far everyone in the thread except you. Sorry but that's fact.

Read every post here and I will admit... YES I am selfish! Totally 100%, why? because I pay my net bill not you. I pay my sub not you, I owe you nothing and I am not here to make the game enjoyable for you, that's BW's job. My time is valuable to one person, me not you.*hugs* That being said if I am in a -fail in the 1st 2 min warzone-, yes I will leave. Why? Why not stay and get XP? I don't need it I am 50 on 2 toons in pvp. Why not stay and help the team medal farm? Not worth my time and time = $$ that I am paying out. Now on the flipside. if I am in a warzone team that is doing their very best (it's often obvious) and IS NOT losing right out of the gate, I will pixel die for them to help...and stay til the end. lightbulb moment: everyone is selfish, some admit it and some don't but at the end of the day it's a video game and one you are paying for to have fun. You get to decide to stay or go in a match based off that fact. Staying when it isn't fun for you is silly.

and the guilty always accuse. We both made valid points as your post indicates a distinct LACK of understanding of both sprint and stealth.

^ This and if you stealth WITH the ball you lose it.

In Jan it was "zomg! nerf Sorc!! heals are an I win button!! waitwait nerf mercs they have an I win button too!" Now it's "zomg! nerf mara's and sins nerf sprint!" Next it will be "zomg! nerf the ball! it's OP! it glows...it's an I win button!" Sprint has a counter and a CD like every other skill. NO sin/shadow can sprint x2 and can't at all if more than one CC is used against them and it's been popped, EVEN when talented. The others are right if your team lets one get in the endzone+ball without being CC'd to death it's your teams fault. Happens to me all the time... so if other teams can lock me up and kill me then what's your teams excuse?

Agree with a lot you said but recruit gear = 13k hp(had way more than that in full champ) = getting inta-focussed and dead by the ENTIRE opposition. Yes it's better than nothing but people tend to exaggerate it's effectiveness vs full 16-20k hp BM-WH. You WILL be the focus as your HP are indeed vastly lower. Most wont even que up after their very 1st WZ of being the center of the whole other teams attention. What's the 1st thing most people say in a wz? "focus healers and lowest HP' at least they do on my server. Edit: my sorc is currently in recruit+ 2 BM pieces and her HP is 13880. I'm the other teams first target in every match. glad she's not my main hehe

The weekly pvp quest is still being offered post 1.2 on the mission terminal, you can use Ilum to complete and unfortunately for me, I had to as my credit for the war zones had been stuck for many matches. I did submit a /bug on it tho.

Well the weekly says defeat players/get armaments/play war zones...but you don't get credit for a direct play of a wz or defeat of players, only 3 armaments at the end (unless you are bugged and stuck) no matter the kills/win/medals you earn. By that token let's say you play a WZ and kill 20 players...that SHOULD be 21 points right there toward the weekly unless I missed some dev post explaining how we do not get credit past 3 or some excuse for not adhering to the quest dialogue (not big on fine print). Problem is even if not bugged you DO NOT get credit towards this by killing players at all. You can have 20+ kills and only still get 3 armaments as credit once the match is over win or lose. I had to go to Ilum to finish this one as my armaments were only credited once every so-many matches(the bug).

Agree totally and it's happening on mine too. No fun when you are fully BM'd and stuck in an 18 loss streak and it's 3k+ til a WH piece...and you get 80 comms even when your medals are 10+ Edit: forgot to add in the bug I currently have having 114/150 armaments in the weekly for the past 9 matches despite my kills

I have to agree with this as I own one as well. Waste of money and I don't use but 3 of the side buttons (can't reach the others comfortably at all). Also sometimes it just stops working for a few minutes then comes back. Hellish if you pvp with it. It's meant for someone with very small hands or 8 fingers on the right.

Sorcs didn't have a free ride before. People just preferred to whine here instead of learn to kill or focus them and now due to BW listening to the whiney WoW fanboi kids PVE sorc healers got the shaft. You all won't be happy until they remove all armor/skills/levels and its naked toons, all the same class with wooden bats as weapons. (wait isn't that AoC?) Perhaps BW should listen now.

very good point! I think many of the nerf-cryers aren't over 1k expertise (watch them all now say they are lol @ predictable). I offer though that nerfing will ruin the game entirely, but I agree it's all about the expertise stat going way up. As you mentioned also the "knowing how to play your class" - factor. This forum is saturated with people who don't. I guess finger pointing takes less twinkies to power than actually getting better at something. <shrug>

Shhhh no one wants to hear that as it doesn't follow in line with all the whining. lmao! /whisper you're right though I eat em on my ops too

IKR?? People don't realize THAT is what kills games. Whining ALWAYS produces ruin in every case of the game as a whole. You are right it's also BW's fault for listening as much as it's Lucas's fault for not making anymore SW movies because he gets hate mail still about the last 3(as quoted from recent magazine interview) so both IMO are to blame, the whiners and the ones who inflict the results of it onto the people who want the game to grow, get better and last. Oh I was killing sorc's back then all I had to do was roll one and see the mechanics of the class so I could learn how to kill them on my 50 sin:) Some can still get me and I still kill them, it's great fun^^ I learned from the guide of all pvp guides long ago and suggest this reading for any and all pvpers. It only promotes pvp and does apply to every game. Still iffy on posting a link here so just google "Welcome to the Jungle pvp eq2" and it is 1st link you see. <guide is very old lol> Excerpt: Law of the Jungle #3: Nobody needs to be nerfed "all classes have advantages and weaknesses, and the way we overcome our weaknesses isn't telling the game developer to take them away, or give you someone else's advantage." "Crying that you can't beat X class and they need to be nerfed doesn't mean you're right, it means you're an unskilled player who doesn't understand how to play his class. You also have to understand the other classes and what their weaknesses are. Learn, Adapt, and Grow; if you can't do that then you're not cut out for this."

A well played scoundrel can lock a sin down and kill any sin spec. There's even a post in this very forum asking for help dealing with them and I tear sins to pieces on my OPS even moreso if I get the drop on one. My Sorc eats sins unless they have help focussed on me and I have just as many tools+ better heals (albeit longer cast times) I keep seeing people rant about 1v1s in wzs, that's not pvp that's dueling. WZ's are GROUP and If I have to take friends to kill a PT/Merc who can heal WAY more than any sin then why shouldn't it go both ways? <grapple/stun/heal/instant KB/DoT/*** immunity bubble??> If a Tank sin was able to VS and bubble himself then maybe I could see your argument but no, every skill you mentioned has a counter/CD/lockout/castime and you'd know this if you played the spec. And guard damages the sin and gives no benefit to the caster unless you have the 4set bonus from TANK gear which is a joke in pvp. Geez all these nerf threads remind me of my Enh Shaman days..."NERF TOTEMS...too much utility! ooh that's right shammy now all you can do is WF once an hour on tuesday during an eclipse and oops you're already dead??? couldn't get through my bubble?...yes I'm ret but...you're OP!! wait isn't dying a talent? omg too many tools again!!!""

Not even. It's crying over pixels plain and simple. If someone beats you and that ruins your fun then pvp isn't for you. If someone beats my class so what. I learn and adapt and find a way to kill them and always find a way to. Nerf cries, class OP threads and the like are nothing but whining and non-constructive to the betterment of the game. nice try tho.

Forum users mentality of pvp class balance: OP = any class/spec that I can't kill easily Balanced = any class/spec that I can kill very easily

My Ops stealth at least doesn't break when people look in my general direction unlike my sin lol

powertech?

This entire thread is exactly what you described. They think a 2k heal is OP on 16-18k HP when most DPS classes are spitting 3-5k chains on the sin and eating 70-80% of those HPs. Sorc Heal is more, Ops heals are more, Merc heals are more. I underlined the answer... or moreso "Shadows are overpowered because I got beat by one, no one should beat my class!!!" Yet somehow I can beat them on my ops, on my sorc and on my merc O.o imagine that!