spider-venom Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 we need a failsafe to prevent death by dc -- maybe push us to a safe distance away. I just dced in the middle of a fight... it was humiliating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFadedMemory Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Have you tried, you know… not disconnecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFadedMemory Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Joking aside. I don’t think the effort required to implement would generate benefits that out weigh the cost and problems it could cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anhkriva Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Is this even a problem in this game? Our characters are not hardcore, we do not drop equipment upon death, we do not even lose experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider-venom Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 13 minutes ago, Anhkriva said: Is this even a problem in this game? Our characters are not hardcore, we do not drop equipment upon death, we do not even lose experience. I'm proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 17 hours ago, spider-venom said: we need a failsafe to prevent death by dc -- maybe push us to a safe distance away. I just dced in the middle of a fight... it was humiliating. Such a feature would be subject to ... epic ... abuse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider-venom Posted May 5 Author Share Posted May 5 23 hours ago, SteveTheCynic said: Such a feature would be subject to ... epic ... abuse. how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 7 hours ago, spider-venom said: how? Fake a DC(1), get out of a fight you messed up the entry to. (1) This is substantially easy. Reboot your router(2), or unplug its "WAN" cable/fibre(2), or use Task Manager to kill SWTOR. Or even Alt+F4.(3) (2) Both of these are liable to give you a new public IP address, and force a new connection to SWTOR. (3) It doesn't do the same thing as using the logout button in the system menu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider-venom Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 On 5/5/2024 at 5:45 AM, SteveTheCynic said: Fake a DC(1), get out of a fight you messed up the entry to. (1) This is substantially easy. Reboot your router(2), or unplug its "WAN" cable/fibre(2), or use Task Manager to kill SWTOR. Or even Alt+F4.(3) (2) Both of these are liable to give you a new public IP address, and force a new connection to SWTOR. (3) It doesn't do the same thing as using the logout button in the system menu. seems a little paranoid. who would bother with that? what would they gain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 5 hours ago, spider-venom said: seems a little paranoid. who would bother with that? what would they gain? They'd gain a second try at the fight without registering a wipe, because on a DC, they'd get reconnected to the previous session, which is still open, where the suggested feature would have moved them somewhere safe before the fight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traceguy Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) Aside from the aforementioned exploit this opens the door to, what exactly do you deem "A safe distance away"? Because after roughly 14 years, the devs still can't get /stuck command to unstuck you half the time. This would likely do more harm than good. There are plenty of ops groups for a FP/WB/Ops boss where a single player might DC during the fight, either bad internet or game crashing. Both cases, the player is able to log back in to rejoin the fight if they didn't die. If these players were teleported somewhere "safe" such as Area Start or Medbay, they'd be kicked out of the fight. Most would lose credit too if it was something like a WB. Think of the times you're fighting RX-X8 or Nightmare Pilgrim and you respawn back to Medbay just for the boss to be killed on your way back. It would be like that. If you end up dying while disconnected, the worst possible thing to come from it is you need to pay a little bit of credits to repair your gear. Edited May 7 by Traceguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exly Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 37 minutes ago, Traceguy said: Aside from the aforementioned exploit this opens the door to, what exactly do you deem "A safe distance away"? Because after roughly 14 years, the devs still can't get /stuck command to unstuck you half the time. What's amazing to me is that the /stuck command even needs to exist. Maybe instead of making the command work better, they should have made it so that it was never needed. I know it's too late for that, but still it would have made more sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTheCynic Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 54 minutes ago, Exly said: What's amazing to me is that the /stuck command even needs to exist. Maybe instead of making the command work better, they should have made it so that it was never needed. I know it's too late for that, but still it would have made more sense to me. /stuck exists because, like all(1) other MMORPGs, SWTOR has locations where your character *cannot* extract itself without such a command. (1) "all" here is a bit strong. GW2 has locations where you can't get out of them by "in-game" movement, but I haven't ever been completely unable to extract my character. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider-venom Posted May 7 Author Share Posted May 7 okay. intangible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohndogg Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 On 5/7/2024 at 1:26 AM, spider-venom said: seems a little paranoid. who would bother with that? what would they gain? People used to add a switch into their connection and switch it on and off in FPS games to create artificial lag back in the CoD Modern Warfare days. Lag switching was and still is an issue in competitive pvp games. So no, it's not paranoid, people would use this to get out of losing fights by introducing short disconnects on purpose and I doubt it would even take very long to start. But as someone else mentioned, I've been in plenty of groups where someone DC'd and we 3 manned the rest of the FP boss or 7 manned the rest of an ops boss and won. On a hard pull with 2% left, if somebody DC'd and the fight reset I'd lose my mind. We had an ops boss evade in a DP Vet on Saturday for no reason and we were so close to done it was frustrating. This feature would 100% make the game worse imo. I can't think of any good reason to be worried about dying from a DC that would prompt this change. Is there any reason beyond pride you would want this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spider-venom Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 18 hours ago, Rohndogg said: People used to add a switch into their connection and switch it on and off in FPS games to create artificial lag back in the CoD Modern Warfare days. Lag switching was and still is an issue in competitive pvp games. So no, it's not paranoid, people would use this to get out of losing fights by introducing short disconnects on purpose and I doubt it would even take very long to start. But as someone else mentioned, I've been in plenty of groups where someone DC'd and we 3 manned the rest of the FP boss or 7 manned the rest of an ops boss and won. On a hard pull with 2% left, if somebody DC'd and the fight reset I'd lose my mind. We had an ops boss evade in a DP Vet on Saturday for no reason and we were so close to done it was frustrating. This feature would 100% make the game worse imo. I can't think of any good reason to be worried about dying from a DC that would prompt this change. Is there any reason beyond pride you would want this? ask a warrior that question. they'll say ''pride is everything''. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quendorite Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, spider-venom said: ask a warrior that question. they'll say ''pride is everything''. I don't think a warrior has any say in regards to game development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohndogg Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Except all is fair in love and war, and this is neither. This is a game, and it would create an unfair exploit. And that I personally don't abide. In my eyes, this can only be a bad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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