Best tacticals and set bonus discipline wise

[Ayushman]

So guys I am trying compile a list of best tacticals and set bonus discipline wise. My main focus is pvp but I do pve occasionally. I'll edit and update my post as per community contributions. Also correct me if I am wrong somewhere...

 

This sets and tacticals are available to the class vendor as of 6.0.1. I will edit and add more as I play and discuss.

(Main post has been edited)

 

Vengence jugg - Descent of the Fearless + Hemophilic Slash (Single) / Cut to Pieces (AoE)

Rage jugg - Descent of the Fearless + Cauterized Coronary (Single)

Immortal Jug - Lords of Pain + Leviathan's Hide / Hord's Makashi Strike

 

* Nimble Master set is good in huttball map.

 

Annihilation mara - ?

Carnage Mara - ?

Fury mara - Descent of the Fearless + Perseverance (Single) / Enrage Crush (AoE)

 

* Defel Spliced Genes tactical good for arena maps.

 

Deception Sin - Deth Knell + Blade of the Elements / Two Cloacks (Utility)

Hatred Sin - ?

Darkness Sin - ?

 

Lightning Sorc - Robe of Gathering Storm + Eyrin's Haste / Stormwatch (Single)

Madness Sorc - ?

Corruption Sorc - ?

 

Shield Specialist Vg - Right Price + Superheated Fuel / Explosive weaponry

Pyrotech Vg - Meteor Brawler + Superheated Fuel / Explosive weaponry

Tactics Vg - ?

 

Arsenal Merc - Concentrated Fire + Burning Bright (Single) / Thermoneuclear Fusion (AoE)

IO Merc - Concentrated Fire + Continuous Fire / Energized cells / magnet shrapnel

Bodyguard Merc - Concentrated Fire + Rocket Fuel Vapors / Running Rapid Restoration

 

Lethality Op - Tactician / Debilitator set bonus + Viral Elements Tactical

Concealment Op - Debilitator set bonus + Volatile Strike Tactical (Single) / Acid Lash

Medicine Op - ?

 

Marksaman Snip - Precise Targeter / Establised Foothold + Refraction Point (AoE) / Agitating Energies (Single)

Engineering Snip - Establised Foothold + Ruthless Interrogation

Virulence Snip - ?

 

* Life Warden is good for handling opening bursts in arena.

Edited December 11, 2019 by Ayushman
Re-arranging

[Lundorff]

I think Descent of the Fearless is the only viable choice for all DPS warriors. The marauder sets seems terrible lackluster, and Rage Juggs will benefit just as much as Veng Juggs. Also I would include The Life Warden as a general useful tactical. Especially to mitigate opening burst in ranked.

[Ayushman]

I think Descent of the Fearless is the only viable choice for all DPS warriors. The marauder sets seems terrible lackluster, and Rage Juggs will benefit just as much as Veng Juggs. Also I would include The Life Warden as a general useful tactical. Especially to mitigate opening burst in ranked.

 

Fair enough. I'll add this.

[Sertar]

leth op - Tactician set bonus + Viral Elements Tactical (Toxic Haze spreads Toxic Blast’s effect and Lethal Strike does additional damage to all nearby targets affected by Toxic Haze.)

you might consider running Debilitator set bonus for solo ranked and duels.

 

concealment op - Debilitator set bonus + Volatile Strike Tactical (Veiled Strike automatically critically hits targets affected by your unexploded Volatile Substance and triggers it immediately. Dealing damage this way causes your next Backstab to critically hit.)

Acid Lash is a good option aswell. It lets you keep your old rotation while still giving you a dps boost, but much less burst.

 

fury mara - Descent of the Fearless set bonus + Perseverance Tactical (Using Obliterate with Furious Power causes it to critically hit.)

you might consider running the Activating Predation finishes the cooldown of Force Camouflage Tactical for solo ranked.

[Ayushman]

leth op - Tactician set bonus + Viral Elements Tactical (Toxic Haze spreads Toxic Blast’s effect and Lethal Strike does additional damage to all nearby targets affected by Toxic Haze.)

you might consider running Debilitator set bonus for solo ranked and duels.

 

concealment op - Debilitator set bonus + Volatile Strike Tactical (Veiled Strike automatically critically hits targets affected by your unexploded Volatile Substance and triggers it immediately. Dealing damage this way causes your next Backstab to critically hit.)

Acid Lash is a good option aswell. It lets you keep your old rotation while still giving you a dps boost, but much less burst.

 

fury mara - Descent of the Fearless set bonus + Perseverance Tactical (Using Obliterate with Furious Power causes it to critically hit.)

you might consider running the Activating Predation finishes the cooldown of Force Camouflage Tactical for solo ranked.

 

Ok Adding this to main post.

[Stncold]

I wouldn't really put any MM tactical as the absolute best. I use differential targeting system the most out of the three but they all have their situational uses where I swap them out.

 

Fearless is the best knight/war set period. DPS, skank, or full tank it's easily the best. The only time it's not is ball carrying, where nimble master is better at least every two and a half minutes.

Edited November 22, 2019 by Stncold

[Ayushman]

As far as I understand most tacticals are designed to be situational. However there is one tactical for each discipline that is most valueble or most meaningful. or so I think, specially If you do more than one activity like pvp or pve and mix it up as per your mood.

 

As for set bonus... some class set bonuses sucks bad. Hence the compilation...

Regardless of this, I'll add this info.

[TrixxieTriss]

I think Descent of the Fearless is the only viable choice for all DPS warriors. The marauder sets seems terrible lackluster, and Rage Juggs will benefit just as much as Veng Juggs..

 

100% agree with this. I’m using it on both my rage Jugg and fury Mara and every other set I’ve tried is ho-hum compared to this,

 

It seems only a few class specs actually got set bonus gear or tactical’s that are good enough for their spec to wear. Other classes have to rely more on generic “class” sets or even general sets

 

The whole system was very poorly implemented. Every class spec should have had its own viable set before they even looked at generic class sets or general sets. Instead, they threw every rubbish idea into making different “general” sets and didn’t actually bother with some class specs at all. Many class sets feel like an after thought.

 

I would love them to just add our old set bonuses into the mix, even if we have to grind the damn things out again. They are still better than most of these new ones and would be worth the grind just to get something good.

[jedcjedcjedc]

Pretty sure stormwatch just beats out eyrins haste regardless of content from the conversations I've had about the two

Also I'm not sure meteor brawler is the go to, I think right price is still pretty equal, i think it's more the spec you're playing that makes that choice. Though, that was before the right price nerf. Even after that it was only doing a 1s internal cd when the patch notes said 3s so at that point it would still be about the same, did it ever get "fixed" to 3s cd or was it a patch notes typo and only supposed to be 1s internal cd to begin with?

Edited November 23, 2019 by jedcjedcjedc

[Ayushman]

Well as I stated in main post, my main focus is pvp but I do other content as well.

The tactical and set bonus comes in tandem, you see.

 

An example top of my head... pooled hatered + descent set bonus + overwhelming offence gives a moderate dps boost in regs wz (8 v 8). where as buffed up ravage (for root) + Hemo slash is good in arena or duels. Now I am not exactly a theory crafting person. Thats why I asked the community.

 

We prolly wont agree on something unanimously. But we can get close...

 

As for stormwatch and eyrin's haste both are useful. Like one gives lightning dmg on dot and other buffs up thunderblast, again with set bonus and combined abilities selected, it might (1) be the thing to beat an opponent.

 

And meteor brawler and right price both are general set bonus for pt / vg. interesting factor is battlefocus / explosive fuel and power yield along with ionfall / firefall stack.... might kill your opponents in one mighty aoe.

 

(1) just might... no guarantee of what pugs do in both pvp and pve

Edited November 23, 2019 by Ayushman
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[Ayushman]

Re-arranging...

 

Jugg / Mara and Guard / Sent except tanks - Descent of the Fearless (Nimble master sometimes)+ Hemophilic Slash

/ Overwhelming Offence (Perseverance Tactical for mara / sents)

 

Vg and Pt - Right Price / Meteor Brawler + Superheated Fuel / Explosive weaponry

 

Ling Sorc - Robe of Gathering Storm + Eyrin's Haste / Stormwatch

Mad Sorc - ?

Corr Sorc - ?

 

Ar Merc - Concentrated Fire + Thermoneuclear Fusion

Io Merc - ?

Bg Merc - ?

 

MM Snip - Precise Targeter / Establised Foothold + Refraction Point

Engi Snip - ?

Viru Snip - ?

 

Leth Op - Tactician / Debilitator set bonus + Viral Elements Tactical

Conc Op - Debilitator set bonus + Volatile Strike Tactical / Acid Lash

Med Op - ?

 

Dec Sin - Deth Knell + Blade of the Elements / Two Cloacks

Hatred Sin - ?

Dark Sin - ?

 

Additional:

Life Warden is good for handling opening bursts.

[Ayushman]

Main Post Moved from First Page....

Lets start with the classes I play mostly. (Sorry if it mostly imp related )

 

Veng Jugg - Descent of the Fearless + Hemophilic Slash / Overwhelming Offence

Ling Sorc - Robe of Gathering Storm + Eyrin's Haste / Stormwatch

Pt Vg - Meteor Brawler + Superheated Fuel / Explosive weaponry

Ar Merc - Concentrated Fire + Thermoneuclear Fusion

MM Snip - Precise Targeter / Establised Foothold + Refraction Point

Dec Sin - Deth Knell + Blade of the Elements / Two Cloacks

Leth Op - Tactician / Debilitator set bonus + Viral Elements Tactical

Fury Mara - Descent of the Fearless set bonus + Perseverance Tactical

Dark Sin - ?

 

That Leaves....

 

St Vg - Right Price + Superheated Fuel

Conc op - Debilitator set bonus + Volatile Strike Tactical / Acid Lash

Im jugg - ?

Ra Jugg - ?

Ht Sin - ?

etc...

 

Edit 1:

Descent of the Fearless is a general set that is good for all dps warrior/guardians + marauders/sents.

The Life Warden as a general useful tactical. (Especially to mitigate opening burst in ranked.)

 

Edit 2:

 

leth op - Tactician set bonus + Viral Elements Tactical (Toxic Haze spreads Toxic Blast’s effect and Lethal Strike does additional damage to all nearby targets affected by Toxic Haze.) you might consider running Debilitator set bonus for solo ranked and duels.

 

concealment op - Debilitator set bonus + Volatile Strike Tactical (Veiled Strike automatically critically hits targets affected by your unexploded Volatile Substance and triggers it immediately. Dealing damage this way causes your next Backstab to critically hit.) Acid Lash is a good option aswell. It lets you keep your old rotation while still giving you a dps boost, but much less burst.

 

fury mara - Descent of the Fearless set bonus + Perseverance Tactical (Using Obliterate with Furious Power causes it to critically hit.) you might consider running the Activating Predation finishes the cooldown of Force Camouflage Tactical for solo ranked.

 

Edit 3:

The only time descent of the fearless not important is ball carrying, where nimble master is better at least for every two and a half minutes.

[ZoreWon]

Just wanted to say thanks. This post is very helpful.

[TrixxieTriss]

You can use this setup for a rage Jugg or Fury Mara, depending on your goal. Ie, ranked, regs, flash points, etc.

 

Rage Jugg/fury mara - Descent of the Fearless set bonus + enrage crush tactical

 

(Raging Burst and Smash detonate Force Crush, dealing Force Crush's remaining damage to up to 8 enemies in an area around the primary target)

 

It’s not just good for spreading the damage in an AOE (you have to use smash to detonate for AOE).

For single target : Detonating it with raging burst literally bursts all of force crush + raging bursts damage in one hit.

Theoretically, force crush 3546 x 3 (seconds) + 10875 = 21531, plus, raging burst’s 17324-17822 = between 38837-39335 hit. It essentially becomes the biggest kinetic burst a rage or furry warrior can do.

(Sorry if my maths is wrong, I’m not a theory crafter)

Edit: had to change numbers because I accidentally looked when my gear was not equiped )

 

For maximum single target damage in the smallest window.

Rotation - Force crush, raging burst, (4stacks) Furious Power + Furious Strike

I’ve personally found this is a pretty good combo in regs and PvE because you are bursting with kinetic damage, followed by large weapon damage.

 

I can’t speak for ranked. It may or not be good. But for casual play or when you need some good AOE damage against groups of mobs, this set up is really fun.

 

FYI, I got the tactical from a flash point drop and so did my wife. I don’t think you can get it from the vendor

Edited December 30, 2019 by TrixxieTriss

[ZoreWon]

Thanks Trix, Just bout the tactical.

[septru]

So guys I am trying compile a list of best tacticals and set bonus discipline wise. My main focus is pvp but I do pve occasionally. I'll edit and update my post as per community contributions. Also correct me if I am wrong somewhere...

 

The problem with this thread, although it is good intentioned, is that it is difficult to truly identify the "best" tactical for each spec. Many of the "best" tacticals are situational. For example, there are tacticals that work in regs, but not solo ranked. Or there are tacticals that work for huttball, but not novare. Sometimes it even comes down to how many melee are in the game. Explaining all of this to a player that is searching for the "best" tactical and ensure that each player understands the advantages and disadvantages of their tacticals in each situation is crucial.

 

This problem is further compounded by the fact tacticals are truly made to suit a player's playstyle. I know 3 different merc that take 3 different tacticals to increase their kiting ability. One of them takes Running Rapid Restoration, the other takes Cool Your Jets, and the other takes Missile Blastback. The reason all three are used is because all three tacticals fit the different playstyles of different mercs. If a player truly wants to find the "best" tactical they have to first understand their own playstyle.

 

But also, this problem is also exasperated by the fact that (no offense) some players have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not trying to come off as elitist. I'm not trying to come off as toxic, but some of the suggested tacticals in this thread are just objectively wrong. For example,

 

As for stormwatch and eyrin's haste both are useful. Like one gives lightning dmg on dot and other buffs up thunderblast, again with set bonus and combined abilities selected, it might (1) be the thing to beat an opponent.

 

this is just wrong on so many levels. While I can give you many reasons why, ultimately the distinctions between the tactical are complicated. It would take a whole forum post to just distinguish the benefits of stormwatch over eyrins's haste, and I don't want to dilute the topic of this post. I'm not trying to bring you're post down or belittle your knowledge of the game. It's great that you are trying to help players. This is just not the right help.

 

So how does each player reading this thread determine what is the "best" tactical? How can players determine who to listen to for help, you, me, or the next person that responds to this thread? Ultimately, I think each player has to make that call for themselves. Test each tactical for yourself. Or if a player tells you stormwatch is better then eyrin's haste, ask them why. So while this thread is great in nature -it's a good starting point for players to get an understanding of which tacticals work best- each player has to dive in a little deeper for themselves if they really want to get the "best tactical" for them.

[TrixxieTriss]

So I’ve basically got all the Armor sets and tacs I need (from the above lists) for my different classes and specs. Now I’m approaching 10,000 tech frags again and I’ve no idea what to spend them on.

 

Are there other sets or tacs I should consider getting or do I start playing RNG lotto at the vendor?

 

What about deconstructing stuff I get?

I usually use the jawa junk to supplement my crafting, but now I’ve got gear, is it better to just sell what I pick up?

 

I’m sure there is probably room to tweak my min/max, but I’ve seen no definitive min/max builds using specific armor, mods, enhancements. Everything is a little vague when you drill down to specifics.

If anyone has any definitive details on min/maxing and can post them, that would be really appreciated and I’m sure other players would love you too