Bruticis Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 How is it if you use the word we in a negative post the 'white knights' jump on the post and say 'YOU CANT SPEAK FOR MEEEEE!' But if you delegate that your opinion holds the majority view and that anyone that disagrees is in the minority. Surely that is double standards unless you have numbers to back it up. It would also be interesting to see how the numbers reflect given how many servers have been merged and how there is talk of further mergers once the opportunity to charge people to get off dead servers is over. The masses did not return with the new story, perhaps too many bridges were burnt with the kotfe story, the people that found the crystal system to hard to understand did not flock back with the change (probably found the log on system to hard to understand) and it is likely that raiders wont flood back if a new op is introduced (they have probably gone to pastures new and aren't waiting in the wings to come back to raid). While the people that are left are faced with 5 year old content grind to get lock boxes. Its very hard to see great deal to get excited about in the future aside from some uprisings that will be speed through for the points which will be sold as exiting rather than enjoyable for its own sake. I like the part where you were babbling something or other about double standards and people making things up to support their argument only to wrap up with a blurb about how "the masses did not return". Obviously you have hard, factual data in hand right now that you can link and prove what you say is true right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscendingSky Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I like the part where you were babbling something or other about double standards and people making things up to support their argument only to wrap up with a blurb about how "the masses did not return". Obviously you have hard, factual data in hand right now that you can link and prove what you say is true right? Over a hundred servers in 1.0 versus a handful now, only half of which are active while the rest are ghost towns. What other evidence do they need that the masses that started playing this game did not return, kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsetso Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Over a hundred servers in 1.0 versus a handful now, only half of which are active while the rest are ghost towns. What other evidence do they need that the masses that started playing this game did not return, kid? But, but, but, .... they might have increased the server capacity 20 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quraswren Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 How is it if you use the word we in a negative post the 'white knights' jump on the post and say 'YOU CANT SPEAK FOR MEEEEE!' SNIP... Because its one of the few debate points a pro GC/RNG gamer really has. It doesn't carry any weight but allows them to fill in dead space as other points are made in a weak attempt to make the online casino known as swtor better than what it really is. Case in point: gc is for everyone! Yet we know it hurts veterans and new gamers alike. Just claiming anyone can do any content to get gear is inherently disingenuous without also making sure they know the massive, 6+ month grind wall they have (and thats if they do it ever single day or it takes longer) on top of making sure they understand RNG gearing, the casino swtor now is. bw has now become that used car salesman people hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) I like the part where you were babbling something or other about double standards and people making things up to support their argument only to wrap up with a blurb about how "the masses did not return". Obviously you have hard, factual data in hand right now that you can link and prove what you say is true right? Obviously you are unaware that the game had many more servers at launch Anturi Reach Assassins of Sion Axial Park Canderous Ordo Colonel Tobin Corellian Run Crevasse City Darth Bandon Drunk Side Cantina Eidolon Security Elysium Firaxan Shark Fort Garnik Giradda the Hutt Grand Master Zym Hanharr ICE Breaker Jedi Covenant Juyo Kaas City Kathol Rift Keetael Keller's Void Khoonda Militia Ki-Ta Kren Krayiss Obelisk Krayt Dragon Master Dorak Mind Trick Nathema Sedyn Kyne Shadow Hand Shii-Cho Sith Meditation Sphere Sith Wyrm Tarro Blood Telos Restoration Project The Constant The Courageous The Defenestrator The Razor The Shadowlands Whitebeam Run Zez-Kai Ell Anchorhead Belgoth's Beacon Bondar Crystal Cho Mai Darth Malak Davik's Estate Death Wind Corridor Firkrann Crystal Gardens of Talla Hedarr Soongh Helm of Graush Infinity Gate Iron Citadel Kinrath Spider Naddist Rebels Port Nowhere Prophecy of the Five Rwookrrorro Saber of Exar Kun Sword of Ajunta Pall Terentatek The Deadweight The Fatman The Twin Spears Thendys Noori Veela Vulkar Highway Kath Hound Lord Adraas Rubat Crystal Shien Sanctum of the Exalted The Ebon Hawk Jung Ma Ven Zallow Darth Sion Darth Xedrix Drooga's Pleasure Barge Empress Teta Fa'athra Gauntlet of Kressh Hyperspace Cannon Kaiburr Crystal Krath Lord Praven Mask of Nihilus Master Gnost-Dural Master Zhar Lestin Namadii Corridor Perlemian Trade Route Soresu Space Slug The Harbinger The Jekk'Jekk Tarr Veeboo Lunx Vornskr Wall of Light Zaalbar Zakkeg Beast Black Vulkars Daragon Trail Dark Reaper Infinite Empire Mandalore the Indomitable Nadd's Sarcophagus Rakata Mind Prison Shadowtown The Crucible Pits The Bastion The Maw The Swiftsure Warriors of the Shadow Wound in the Force Begeren Colony Lord Ieldis Vrook Lamar Ajunta Pall Bacca's Blade Bao-Dur Dune Bantha Dxun Battle Circle Flames of Crucible Frostclaw Goluud Corridor Hidden Beks Hydian Way Kellian Jarro Ludo Kressh Luka Sene Nightmare Lands Peragus Mining Facility Rogue Moon Sith'Ari Sluis Shipyards The Arkanian Legacy The Red Eclipse Ahto City Basilisk Droid Bloodworthy Chuundar Hex Droid Kai-kan Legions of Lettow Niman Scepter of Ragnos Senator Contispex Tassaa Bareesh The Exile's Crystal The Kumumgah The Ravager The Shadow Runner Tomb of Freedon Nadd Tott Doneeta Trayus Academy Ula Vii Uthar Wynn Shaltin Tunnels The Progenitor Trask Ulgo Lord Calypho Hssiss Mantle of the Force Phateem Halls of Knowledge Vodo-Siosk Baas Atris Baron Deathmark Darth Nihilus Dol Grenn Hrakert Rift Princess Galia Star Map Battle Meditation Kessel Run Huntmaster Darth Andeddu Dreypa's Oubliette Exar Kun Faustin Academy Force Harvester Handmaidens of Atris Lenico Gargantuan Murakami Orchid Opila Crystal Sith Triumvirate Stereb Cities Supreme Commander Stantorrs T3-M4 The Cinzia The Jedi Tower Blotus the Hutt Brianna Darth Revan's Mask Darth Traya Exis Station Jar'Kai Sword Pius Dea The Krath Enchanter The Restoration Zone Cassus Fett Vanjervalis Chain Zayne Carrick Jen'jidai And of those servers how many have survived only 17. Though I am sure in your mind that is because they were so full and there are so many more players now they simply didn't need that many servers. But as impressed as I am with your inability to count, more impressive is your illiteracy where you can't read what others write and refer to it as babble. I have provided you with how the servers have been merged, the devs have said they will look into further mergers after the transfer sale ends. Now how about you provide me with numbers on how it is the vocal minority that dislike the changes to gearing. And this time if you can don't discount what you can't understand as babble, just provide the numbers. Edited December 9, 2016 by Costello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eartharioch Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) I don't know what players expect at this point, Galactic command is what we currently have which I suspect took a few months to develop, it would take a futher several months to put it back the way it was pre 5.0 so the best the devs can really do at this point is to try to find a sweet spot in the system through tweeking the system rather than re-working it completely. The system does have a few flaws, such as it being very alt unfriendly and the RNG nature of a lot of stuff. Personally I would have taken some of the RNG away by instead of getting SB gear from the crates, you got a SB token in the crates for tiers 1-3, this way you could have a choice of exactly which SB piece you got as the tokens would be used on a 1:1 basis, this way Bioware would have simply be able to monitor the drop rates for the SB tokens. There is nothing particularly wrong with Galactic Command, it's the removal of ops token gear and pvp gear that's the problem. BW could just add ops gear vendors "somewhere" on fleet and restore the token drops on ops bosses. BW could just add pvp vendors and make free (with 0 resale value) 224 w/set bonus gear that bolsters to tier 3 gear, and make sure that tier 1 and tier 2 gear bolsters to tier 3. All of this would be outside of the GC, and nothing about GC would have to change. Or they could skip tokens and vendors entirely -- let each PVP daily offer a a choice of 224 set bonus arnoring (possibly limited to the player's AC) similar to how some of the Yavin quests gave mh/oh and companion legacy gear. And do the same thing for operations weeklies, although I'd add in MH/OH as well as the armorings, and gear would be on tier based on story/vet/master mode. Edited December 9, 2016 by eartharioch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruticis Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Over a hundred servers in 1.0 versus a handful now, only half of which are active while the rest are ghost towns. What other evidence do they need that the masses that started playing this game did not return, kid? Try to keep up, will you? The discussion was if people returned to play the new expansion not if the game has lost subs over the previous 5 years it's be running. The developers said there would be an influx of players for the newest expansion and there has. Honestly if you can't follow the conversation, don't try to engage me, it's boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costello Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Try to keep up, will you? The discussion was if people returned to play the new expansion not if the game has lost subs over the previous 5 years it's be running. The developers said there would be an influx of players for the newest expansion and there has. Honestly if you can't follow the conversation, don't try to engage me, it's boring. Thats not what I said I said the masses did not return for the new story. It doesn't matter when they left, the majority of players who left the game have not returned. Would it be fair to say that the majority of players that left did not return, that most the servers are light and there will likely be more mergers in the future once the transfer sale ends because they are dead. Has there been a return in players at all, it would not seem so from http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us and http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu those figures seem fairly consistent. So where are you getting your figures from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomaad Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Now watch everyone feed this troll. Okay I will throw some on the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruticis Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 Thats not what I said I said the masses did not return for the new story. It doesn't matter when they left, the majority of players who left the game have not returned. Would it be fair to say that the majority of players that left did not return, that most the servers are light and there will likely be more mergers in the future once the transfer sale ends because they are dead. Has there been a return in players at all, it would not seem so from http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us and http://www.torstatus.net/shards/eu those figures seem fairly consistent. So where are you getting your figures from? Seriously, what are you even arguing about here? The current debate is about the GC system and the RNG crates. Unless you're stating that people that left previously peered into the future and saw the changes of 5.0 so they quit, why are you referencing stuff no one is talking about or disputing? Are you OK? Are you feeling lightheaded or feverish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kheld Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 If the Galactic Command system was a total failure & Bioware lost a huge amount of subs you can bet that the situation would be addressed VERY quickly. VERY, VERY quickly. Maybe even reversed or majorly modified. The fact they haven't reversed it or redesigned or even TOLD us that they are reversing or redesigning it (so far) should tell you something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscendingSky Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 If the Galactic Command system was a total failure & Bioware lost a huge amount of subs you can bet that the situation would be addressed VERY quickly. VERY, VERY quickly. Maybe even reversed or majorly modified. The fact they haven't reversed it or redesigned or even TOLD us that they are reversing or redesigning it (so far) should tell you something. Nah. They always try to pacify and wait out consumer rage. It's happened with every other major issue. Unless it comes to 'nuke from orbit' nerfs, they're very sluggish in responding. They were slow to respond to criticisms about 1.0, for example, which lead to the TORtanic effect of tons of lost subs. They're certain this system will work because their own internal metrics say so. They're plugging their ears again, just like they've done a bunch of other times. Eventually they will take major action, but by then it will be far too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbr Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Just to be clear 99% of the player base hates RNG, this is obvious from in game chat, these forums, reddit forums, all the podcasts and common sense. I think GC could be a great system (especially as they add more and more new content to it) but RNG is a terrible way to progress and it will kill this game. I love this game and have played it since beta, I thought the KOTET story was amazing but failing on crate after crate makes the game feel completely pointless to play, especially now the story is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruticis Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 If the Galactic Command system was a total failure & Bioware lost a huge amount of subs you can bet that the situation would be addressed VERY quickly. VERY, VERY quickly. Maybe even reversed or majorly modified. The fact they haven't reversed it or redesigned or even TOLD us that they are reversing or redesigning it (so far) should tell you something. Exactly this! It amazes me that people somehow think Bioware doesn't have extensive access to the subscriber metrics of their own game. There's no way they aren't analyzing the sub numbers with a fine tooth comb especially after launching a brand new expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekwalizer Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Try to keep up, will you? The discussion was if people returned to play the new expansion not if the game has lost subs over the previous 5 years it's be running. The developers said there would be an influx of players for the newest expansion and there has. Honestly if you can't follow the conversation, don't try to engage me, it's boring. That narrative is simply not born out on TORStatus. Just like the "massive gains" from KOTFE were never seen on TORStatus either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscendingSky Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) Try to keep up, will you? The discussion was if people returned to play the new expansion not if the game has lost subs over the previous 5 years it's be running. The developers said there would be an influx of players for the newest expansion and there has. Honestly if you can't follow the conversation, don't try to engage me, it's boring. They've pointed you at the pages which show server populations have not rebounded, kid. There's no big influx of players like you're claiming. Those are the facts. You're trying to avoid that point by flapping your arms around and shifting the goalposts. Seems like you're the one having trouble keeping up with the conversation. Edited December 9, 2016 by AscendingSky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekwalizer Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 If the Galactic Command system was a total failure & Bioware lost a huge amount of subs you can bet that the situation would be addressed VERY quickly. VERY, VERY quickly. Maybe even reversed or majorly modified. The fact they haven't reversed it or redesigned or even TOLD us that they are reversing or redesigning it (so far) should tell you something. We're not even 30 days into this expansion. I killed my subscription two months ago, but it doesn't run out until February. They wouldn't have the metrics you are discussing this soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfourcustom Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Simmer down lads. We are all boys in this together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruticis Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) Just to be clear 99% of the player base hates RNG, this is obvious from in game chat, these forums, reddit forums, all the podcasts and common sense. Just to be clear, 73.6% of all statistics are made up. The vast majority of subscribers don't read the forums and everyone knows this, including the devs. Edited December 9, 2016 by Bruticis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekwalizer Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I think it is funny that Bruticis took a 4+ year break from the game because it was so star spangled awesome. He returns like he is the game's champion and thinks anyone around here actually cares what his (johnny come lately) opinion of the game is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quraswren Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 If the Galactic Command system was a total failure & Bioware lost a huge amount of subs you can bet that the situation would be addressed VERY quickly. VERY, VERY quickly. Maybe even reversed or majorly modified. The fact they haven't reversed it or redesigned or even TOLD us that they are reversing or redesigning it (so far) should tell you something. Unless it's a cartel market, cash shop thing, I don't think bw can handle very much quickly. Even as RNG and GC alienates players and some leave and some stay. Even if it was a total failure, bw could do very little quickly. Their past actions shows that for the most part. They have no quick actions on most things. bw is in a spot right now where no metric they could read really works when it comes to success of this. I have no doubt many gamers came to see the end of this story and with little else to do in game new. There done in a month. Now faced with end game as bad as swtor now has. bw still bought themselves a month at a minimum because of the story. What I do know is how they were told during all of beta how bad the idea of RNG gear is. That isn't new or changing. RNG is mixed in with GC so that gets lumped into the complaints as well because of the massive grind. The fact that they had no back up plan nor were ready for the backlash is the "out of touch" comments you see but its not because they were not warned long ago. bw has set the course and couldn't change it. when you create a massive grind and RNG gearing, thats not done to benefit the gamer in any case but to stretch out and hide how little this game actually offers once story is done by making you do really old content again. They have no intention to really change that no matter what they say. Take the CXP nerf of gold mobs. 10 CXP to ONE and now moved to TWO. Not an exploit but screw you the gamer if you do that because it goes against bw intended purpose. Hinder you. Slow you down. Thats why nothing is changed yet nor will change drastically in months. Not even the CXP boost to uprisings or FP will make a difference to the hindrance they created. They must buy themselves time because they are slow in everything they do except maybe nerfing you for doing things that are not exploits and cash shop stuff. So watch and see if you stick around. The changes even bw claims they are making will do little to make this fiasco of a system any better because they are not fixing the underling problems. Just more illusion tweaking and it will all be done really slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodrac Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Yes, even I will admit the system, in theory, the system sounds good, but it is FATALLY flawed by the extended time consumption required to get crates and the incredible requirement of fortunate gear drops to get anything of even the smallest value. QFE /5char Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AscendingSky Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I think it is funny that Bruticis took a 4+ year break from the game because it was so star spangled awesome. He returns like he is the game's champion and thinks anyone around here actually cares what his (johnny come lately) opinion of the game is. He's been away from the game that long? No wonder he's so ignorant on how the actual game works or how players actually feel! Thanks, that makes his silly antics make more sense now! And, like you said, make them easy peasy to disregard as the foolishness they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruticis Posted December 9, 2016 Author Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) I think it is funny that Bruticis took a 4+ year break from the game because it was so star spangled awesome. He returns like he is the game's champion and thinks anyone around here actually cares what his (johnny come lately) opinion of the game is. The game wasn't fun for me when it launched. With the changes to 4.0 and the shift to make the game more single player focused, it became fun again. As long as the devs keep catering to my needs, i.e. single player first, small groups second, raiders dead last, I'll continue to support them with an active subscription and cartel purchases. I would assume everyone would do the same, as well, no? Support them if you like the current model, vote with your wallet if you don't. I know it's shocking that I would be an advocate for doing something I like. When the game becomes unenjoyable or shifts in a direction (raid junk) I don't like, I'll cancel my sub. What you wont see is a bunch of idiotic empty threats, petitions and temper tantrums when it's time for me to move on. Edited December 9, 2016 by Bruticis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodrac Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 I'm not going to resub. 5.0 makes SWG's NGE look like a brilliant idea. Drink! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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