Vektarulz Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) I played Annihilate and watchmen spex since release day, and finally stopped being stubborn and tried ataru last night, I was angry to find out that at some point ataru had been simplified to only use 4 main moves as opposed to having to use 8 as a Dot Sentinel. Not only does it basically only use these moves but the damage is far superior, I always thought Dot spec was best because the potential damage in theory should be highest but the apm required and a situation where you aren't stunned and targets don't move doesn't happen. Why do they sabotage one spec and make the other, frankly, stupid easy. I am not sure if any other specs are simplified like that but this generally pissed me off, it is like 2 different teams made each spec for 2 different games. I worry they will buff dot spec again in the future and then it will become fotm, then they will nerf it to a worse point than it is now. Edited March 8, 2016 by Vektarulz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm-Cutter Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) IIRC I think people QQ'd, coz DoT classes were once too strong. To combat this, they made heals stronger, then nerfed DoTs. -Though TBH, the average healer usually blatantly fluffs their HPS with extra healing, rather than cleanse DoTs these days. Virulence snipers are also part DoT - and you have to work your rear off to match some of the DPS numbers out there. OTOH nothing looks cooler than whizzing around with two lightsabres. Edited March 8, 2016 by Storm-Cutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTurin Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Also, unfortunately is it because BW is trying to balance PVE and PVP at the same time. Right now, Anni is better in PVE on almost all fights (highest parsing spec in the game on a single target), so it makes sense that it has a tough rotation. Unfortunatley, since PVP requires a lot more movement and enemies moving etc., it means that simple rotations with high burst have a huge advantage. Your best bet is probably to just learn two or even all 3 of the specs so you can change them at will (snipers basically need to do the same thing, at least in PVE anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kweassa Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 To think around the time I quit Combat discipline was considered self gimping, and every Watchman/Annis would gloat around with their OP spec.... What comes around, goes around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power-alex Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 i personally can't play carnage, my finger begins to hurt for spamming the same button over and over. fury is the best spec for pvp because of stun immunity. anni is fun and challenging and still the best damage. http://imgur.com/a/eq8wS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhancelot Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 i personally can't play carnage, my finger begins to hurt for spamming the same button over and over. fury is the best spec for pvp because of stun immunity. anni is fun and challenging and still the best damage. http://imgur.com/a/eq8wS That other team needed more healing sages they only had 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordresh Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 That other team needed more healing sages they only had 4. Only 4? Talk about playing the game on hard mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm-Cutter Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) Kudos to Lhancelot for keeping up 3.2K DPS, (and winning the match) but if I read the table correctly, 1.6M damage and 21 kills is offset by 2.5M+ healing - suggesting that there was a bit of fluffing on both sides. - Whatever you hit, they healed. Still a win is a win, and 3.2K dps is not to be sniffed at, especially on AH, where everyone is running around like crazy. Edited March 8, 2016 by Storm-Cutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
power-alex Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) That other team needed more healing sages they only had 4. i have even less impressive screenshots - still top dps though Edited March 8, 2016 by power-alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedcjedcjedc Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 IIRC I think people QQ'd, coz DoT classes were once too strong. To combat this, they made heals stronger, then nerfed DoTs. -Though TBH, the average healer usually blatantly fluffs their HPS with extra healing, rather than cleanse DoTs these days. Virulence snipers are also part DoT - and you have to work your rear off to match some of the DPS numbers out there. OTOH nothing looks cooler than whizzing around with two lightsabres. you can't remove DoT's for awhile now... you can only use it for things like mezzes and those effects that reuce your armor or make you take more of X type damage for Y seconds and stuff like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khryn Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Interesting. Watchmen is the highest sustained DPS for Sentinel. It's just problematic in PvP because there is no burst, making it much harder to out DPS the 4 Sorcs cross healing each other. I also sometimes wonder if DOT spread is working. That being said, I feel I do pretty OK in WZs with my Watchmen Sentinel. I guard the Pylon/Node more nowadays, but those rare times when I have someone reliable in Rep-Shadowlands WZ that can and will call out, I can usually make a run on top DPS/Damage/Kills. Then again, I used to think that was something impressive, then I realized how pitiful Republic-Shadowlands PvP is, then it made me sad. But alas, I feel I could handle my own regardless as a Watchmen Sentinel. Sure, we aren't Madness Sorc DOT-level, but we are still competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwurdilu Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 l2p issue. This specc is amazing in team ranked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiveringPotato Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Interesting. Watchmen is the highest sustained DPS for Sentinel. It's just problematic in PvP because there is no burst, making it much harder to out DPS the 4 Sorcs cross healing each other. I also sometimes wonder if DOT spread is working. That being said, I feel I do pretty OK in WZs with my Watchmen Sentinel. I guard the Pylon/Node more nowadays, but those rare times when I have someone reliable in Rep-Shadowlands WZ that can and will call out, I can usually make a run on top DPS/Damage/Kills. Then again, I used to think that was something impressive, then I realized how pitiful Republic-Shadowlands PvP is, then it made me sad. But alas, I feel I could handle my own regardless as a Watchmen Sentinel. Sure, we aren't Madness Sorc DOT-level, but we are still competitive. It doesn't have the burst you'd expect, but Anni can definitely surprise some people. With beserk running and a 16-17k Annihilate autocrit, you've got a ton of damage coming in a short period of time (dots will be ticking for 3-4k each on top of that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanouss Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) Dot spread is really only successful with ranged classes.as they have a much more broad vision of the field and can se clumps of enemies more often. Edited March 9, 2016 by Evanouss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmoneyTime Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 What are you talking about Watchman is the best pvp spec for sents hands down right now. 3-5k dps matches are pretty common. It can burst up to 7k dps and sustained around 6400ish. I have so many screenshots of matches that I didn't sort through them all but here are a few of them. http://imgur.com/a/xzpiu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordresh Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Annihilation is good at getting a nice DPS number at the end of the game because of DoT-spread. Fury is better at contributing to games because it packs a punch that can actually pressure/kill someone + lets you stay on a target easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhun Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Annihilation is good at getting a nice DPS number at the end of the game because of DoT-spread. Fury is better at contributing to games because it packs a punch that can actually pressure/kill someone + lets you stay on a target easier. They have less predictable bursts. I imagine it's easier to keep pressure on people in Ranked when compared to objective plays. I don't like Anni right now, prefer Carnage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmoneyTime Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Annihilation is good at getting a nice DPS number at the end of the game because of DoT-spread. Fury is better at contributing to games because it packs a punch that can actually pressure/kill someone + lets you stay on a target easier. Watchman is a high skill cap class. It can kill faster then fury. The best watchman players don't dot spread all that much. Its more of an icing on the cake move. It contributes way more then combat or smash. It has the ability to completely shutdown any heels. The problem is most people don't understand that you have to use all the skills for it to be effective, Not just what is in the kit so to speak. For instance just because Blade Storm isn't in the kit dosn't mean its not useable. I have my quick slots to switch between different bars is why you don't seem them bound in the screen shots, but I do use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwurdilu Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Watchman is a high skill cap class. It can kill faster then fury. The best watchman players don't dot spread all that much. Actually you can boost your single target dps if you manage to only replace youre fillers with force sweep and spread back dots for a 100% uptime on forcemelt. So you better spread whenever you can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cade_bane Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Wowow you want to tell me mara/sent is a weak class? Could it be that y'all are doing sth wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordresh Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) Watchman is a high skill cap class. It can kill faster then fury. The best watchman players don't dot spread all that much. Its more of an icing on the cake move. It contributes way more then combat or smash. It has the ability to completely shutdown any heels. The problem is most people don't understand that you have to use all the skills for it to be effective, Not just what is in the kit so to speak. For instance just because Blade Storm isn't in the kit dosn't mean its not useable. I have my quick slots to switch between different bars is why you don't seem them bound in the screen shots, but I do use them. That's interesting. What would your rotation look like in an ideal circumstance 1 on 1? Edit: Okay I've been experimenting with focusing a single target in warzone instead of trying to DoT-spread and I was so wrong in my original statement. It really does do incredible damage. Edited March 11, 2016 by Mordresh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmoneyTime Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 Sorry I have not gotten back to you been busy. Max burst would be Zen overload while leaping, zealous strike, cauterize, merc slash, melt, master strike, saber throw proc hopefully cancel the master strike. It can get up to 8.5k if everything lines up and crits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) I played Annihilate and watchmen spex since release day, and finally stopped being stubborn and tried ataru last night Played one mara/sent spec since ''release''? Since release you have never bought legacy respec or talked to the respec guy and have respeced, ever? pffff Zen overload while leaping, zealous strike, cauterize, merc slash, melt, master strike, saber throw proc hopefully cancel the master strike. It can get up to 8.5k if everything lines up and crits. This kind of pve rhetoric almost never works in pvp unless the guy is afk or intensely tunneling on purpose someone. Edited March 12, 2016 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mordresh Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Sorry I have not gotten back to you been busy. Max burst would be Zen overload while leaping, zealous strike, cauterize, merc slash, melt, master strike, saber throw proc hopefully cancel the master strike. It can get up to 8.5k if everything lines up and crits. Cool, thanks I'll give it a try. This kind of pve rhetoric almost never works in pvp unless the guy is afk or intensely tunneling on purpose someone. Sorry for the confusion, this is my fault. I asked for a rotation in a hypothetical ideal situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TmoneyTime Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) It't not common to get the full combo but probably around 1-4 times in a warzone. Never works is a little strong wording for something that happens at least once a warzone. Edited March 14, 2016 by TmoneyTime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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