Illanair Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 (edited) Please read the post in its entirety before commenting - no more "It's light armour so everyone can wear it comments are required. It's moddable armour and should be treated as such. Social Equipment - It is biased towards Light Armour users. All social gear is fully moddable, and is therefore identical to "regular" Light Armour moddables found in the game. I think this is unfair for us Medium/Heavy armour users. I hear you say - It iz Arrpeee gear, who careszzzzz. Well I do for one - I don't think it is fair that my jedi consular can run around in full social gear and still be as good as if he was wearing moddables given/crafted/dropped during the game (with comparable mods ofcourse), when my Trooper cannot. This is classism! Either make social gear have its own armour type (Un-armoured) or make the social gear moddables adapt the armour type to who is wearing it. Or as a completely wild suggestion - make some social gear for Medium/Heavy classes (unlikely seeming as most of the social gear includes fancy dresses and chainmail bikinis) Edited January 6, 2012 by Illanair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illanair Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 A slight bump since the CS haven't acknowledged the existence of the thread/issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skili Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I second that. Especially since many of those social gears looks perfect for a smuggler but can't really be used because of being light armor and not medium... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feshtof Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Its light armor so all clases can use it.... so they dont need three different sets of social gear for light medium and heavy.....its just light so everyone can use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illanair Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Its light armor so all clases can use it.... so they dont need three different sets of social gear for light medium and heavy.....its just light so everyone can use it. That would be fine - except the armour is moddable. In other words, Light armour users can use it as combat gear, not just social. All I'm asking for is a fair playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdgdcg Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 That's my problem with my bounty hunter and her dancer gear. It's difficult to fight it... because of the armor only. I WANT MORE ARMOR ON THE DANCER GEAR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pudim Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Easy fix, make 3 versions of the same gear, and sell them for the same price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotaka Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 It would be an easy fix, and I'm slightly surprised it isn't already done/wasn't done earlier. Though it's not as pressing an issue as bug's, it sounds glaringly obvious this would favore light-armor users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skili Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Well, maybe not the dancer armor... I don't want to see someone tanking in a dancing outfit. But for exemple, the death claw armor set is perfect for the look i want to give to my smuggler. But this is light armor and not medium, so i can't use it in combat and stay a minimum effective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrosil Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I second that. Especially since many of those social gears looks perfect for a smuggler but can't really be used because of being light armor and not medium... Smuggler can use a light armor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skili Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Yes, Smuggler can use light armor. As much as any other class. But survive in a fight with a light armor ? No so much... That's my concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feshtof Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Unfortunately making additional sets that are for different armor tiers make it unusable for the characters without those armor skills. So now instead of everyone getting to use THE SOCIAL GEAR you now have sets of it that certain characters cant wear. Fun and fair at the same time. If this is your priority have at it man. Just dont really see the point. Low level oranges can be farmed all over the joint. I had a full set of Oranges at lvl 20 (not including belt and wrist). Also the Flight commendation armor is all light with no lvl restriction. Might as well get pissed that girls get social armor at soc lvl 2 instead of social 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotaka Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Unfortunately making additional sets that are for different armor tiers make it unusable for the characters without those armor skills. So now instead of everyone getting to use THE SOCIAL GEAR you now have sets of it that certain characters cant wear. Fun and fair at the same time. If this is your priority have at it man. Just dont really see the point. Low level oranges can be farmed all over the joint. I had a full set of Oranges at lvl 20 (not including belt and wrist). Also the Flight commendation armor is all light with no lvl restriction. Might as well get pissed that girls get social armor at soc lvl 2 instead of social 1. You speak of fairness, but no one's actually asking for the armor to be Armor-type specific. They just want all the current armor sets (And any future sets) to come in 3 different types - Light, Medium, and Heavy. Ultimately, the above suggested is the 'most fair', because it allows -everyone- to be capable of wearing it if they like the looks of it enough. It also gives a bonus to those who have their Social leveled (I myself am at Social level 4 on my 35 BH. I've pretty much played in a duo the entire game.) So tell me, if you want to speak of fairness, which is more fair? The fact that light-armor users can use Social armor in battle but say, a Heavy tank-user can't? Or the concept that there should be 3 different armor types that look the same but have different 'armor strengths' so people can tank in different sets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illanair Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Might as well get pissed that girls get social armor at soc lvl 2 instead of social 1. Security Key Vendor disagrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HillbillySith Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 I'm thinking they need to fix game breaking bugs like the patch/repair loop before working on social armor /shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feshtof Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Your viewpoint is clarified. At this point I bow out with a final note of agreement that I hope this is not seriously considered to use time for programming on until issues that prevent players from playing are corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstAngelus Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Well on my search though the Forum for a hint on a vendor on Republic side that sells any Social I gear that Men can use (long sentence) I found mention that somewhere in Beta there WERE medium and heavy armor variants for every Social set, just like Men AND women versions of the gear. Also, every item list I did find did contain heavy and medium social gear, wich supports that. So, if that is true have NO idea why that was taken out and find it a very bad anoying step. Edited January 6, 2012 by FirstAngelus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerda Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 If the gear is light purely so everyone can wear it that's somewhat lazy on BWs part. Surely it could become Light/Medium/Heavy depending on who equips it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shillen Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Yeah they either need to take all stats off of social armor (so it's not good for anyone to fight in) or they need to offer it in medium/heavy varieties. But there are a lot of far more important issues in this game right now. Edited January 6, 2012 by Shillen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieLam Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Or just make social gear just that social gear, without mods slot. Problem fix! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phadian_gess Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Well, maybe not the dancer armor... I don't want to see someone tanking in a dancing outfit. How about the dancer armor instead be a corset made out of plastisteel (or whatever its called)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitoc Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 read a q&a session on one of the swtor media sites with james o or steven r, can't remember who. but they were asked about this issue and said its something that they are already looking into fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illanair Posted January 6, 2012 Author Share Posted January 6, 2012 Your viewpoint is clarified. At this point I bow out with a final note of agreement that I hope this is not seriously considered to use time for programming on until issues that prevent players from playing are corrected. Oh - No arguments there. This isn't a game breaking issue, and there are more pressing bugs/issues to be addressed. But an issue is an issue. All I'm looking for is a "We're aware of this, and we will address this when time permits" response. Sadly, I have received none - be it via ticket bug reporting, email or forum threads. read a q&a session on one of the swtor media sites with james o or steven r, can't remember who. but they were asked about this issue and said its something that they are already looking into fixing. This sounds promising - what/where are these Q&A sessions? Forum threads, interviews on fansites, audio/videos on the website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blurplemoon Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 Please read the post in its entirety before commenting - no more "It's light armour so everyone can wear it comments are required. It's moddable armour and should be treated as such. Social Equipment - It is biased towards Light Armour users. All social gear is fully moddable, and is therefore identical to "regular" Light Armour moddables found in the game. I think this is unfair for us Medium/Heavy armour users. I hear you say - It iz Arrpeee gear, who careszzzzz. Well I do for one - I don't think it is fair that my jedi consular can run around in full social gear and still be as good as if he was wearing moddables given/crafted/dropped during the game (with comparable mods ofcourse), when my Trooper cannot. This is classism! Either make social gear have its own armour type (Un-armoured) or make the social gear moddables adapt the armour type to who is wearing it. Or as a completely wild suggestion - make some social gear for Medium/Heavy classes (unlikely seeming as most of the social gear includes fancy dresses and chainmail bikinis) fully agree i would like to wear this stuff w/o nerfing myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nezroy Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Or as a completely wild suggestion - make some social gear for Medium/Heavy classes (unlikely seeming as most of the social gear includes fancy dresses and chainmail bikinis) I'd be mostly fine with just this, TBH. Why is the Imperial Trooper social armor set light armor and not heavy? Also, to repeat once again the same thing I add to every such thread... this issue mostly affects tanks. A Commando can heal just as effectively in light armor as they can in heavy armor. Yeah you'll die faster if you pull aggro but, generally speaking, you were probably going to die anyway Edited January 6, 2012 by nezroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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