AlCorazon Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 So accorting to JJ Abrams the new villan in the Star Wars: Episode 7 is not sith. http://ie.ign.com/articles/2015/08/25/star-wars-the-force-awakens-kylo-ren-is-not-a-sith-and-the-first-order-are-basically-nazis So does it mean there will be no sith in the movie? That is going to be a dissapointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) 'This making sense really - If Palpatine and Vader were the last 2 Known Siths. any other Siths, if there were any, must have been well in hiding. Rens character is probably some kind of Inquisitor type of thing remnant from the 'Inquisitor program' seen in 'Rebels'? Supreme leader Snoke on the other hand is said to be a prominent figure in/on the Dark side of the Force, leaves room for speculation, doesn't it:cool: There are 2 more movies coming after the one in december, don't think we gonna get everything served on the same plate;) Edited September 17, 2015 by t-darko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianDavion Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 so basicly the bad guys this time around are posers and wannabes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 so basicly the bad guys this time around are posers and wannabes. That would seem accurate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 so basicly the bad guys this time around are posers and wannabes. And it looks like we and are in agreement!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogMeat Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Vader was not born a Sith, so ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 (edited) Vader was not born a Sith, so ........ Be mindful young Padawan, there is only knowledge - do not confuse Legends with the new Canon. Padawan, you need to unlearn, in order to learn again Edited September 19, 2015 by t-darko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honouree Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Does anyone know if these trading cards are legit? If so it might answer a couple of questions regarding who is what in TFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordarn Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 so basicly the bad guys this time around are posers and wannabes. Kylo Ren maybe, the Empire is still in play, even If they are divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 Does anyone know if these trading cards are legit? If so it might answer a couple of questions regarding who is what in TFA. Love your input there:rolleyes: considering that, in contradiction to the OPs info, I''ll say someone at Disney need to get their fact straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sithgreyguard Posted September 19, 2015 Share Posted September 19, 2015 so just dark side of the force and not sith ok I guess..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honouree Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Love your input there:rolleyes: considering that, in contradiction to the OPs info, I''ll say someone at Disney need to get their fact straight. Well, this is Abrams we're talking about here, with his needless "mystery box" shtick. Remember when he told all the Trek fans that Cumberbatch wasn't playing Khan? Even after admitting that was the wrong thing to do, a part of me still thinks he'd pull the same trick again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leklor Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 Be mindful young Padawan, there is only knowledge - do not confuse Legends with the new Canon. Padawan, you need to unlearn, in order to learn again Vader not being born Sith, meaning being born as Anakin Skywalker, has nothing to do with Legends or Canon. It's a common fact to both continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) Vader not being born Sith, meaning being born as Anakin Skywalker, has nothing to do with Legends or Canon. It's a common fact to both continuity. How Sith becomes Sith and under which circumstances is pretty clear cut in Legends, former EU, but, however, in the New Canon we don't really know do we. We know there's a 'Bane' character that institute the rule of two, but we don't know how or why. We know from TCW and PTs and a couple of novels that the apprenticeship is a mean in how one becomes a Sith but not the particulars. We know there were a Plagueis, that he wanted the secret of eternal life, that he was killed by his apprentice, but since the Plagueis novels hasn't been canonized we don't really know much there either!! What and Who is Sith? That is one of the most fascinating conundrums of the New Canon! Edited September 20, 2015 by t-darko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 How Sith becomes Sith and under which circumstances is pretty clear cut in Legends, former EU, but, however, in the New Canon we don't really know do we. We know there's a 'Bane' character that institute the rule of two, but we don't know how or why. We know from TCW and PTs and a couple of novels that the apprenticeship is a mean in how one becomes a Sith but not the particulars. We know there were a Plagueis, that he wanted the secret of eternal life, that he was killed by his apprentice, but since the Plagueis novels hasn't been canonized we don't really know much there either!! What and Who is Sith? That is one of the most fascinating conundrums of the New Canon! Who or what is Sith is kind of laid out in the clone wars t.v. series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honouree Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 The books in the new "canon" also suggest that Palpatine had plans to seek out the origin of their power: "We must instead move toward the Dark Side," Tashu tells his peers. "Palpatine felt that the universe beyond the edges of our maps was where his power came from. Over the many years he, with our aid, sent men and woman beyond known space. They built labs and communication stations on distant moons, asteroids, out there in the wilds. We must follow them. Retreat from the galaxy. Go out beyond the veil of stars. We must seek the source of the Dark Side like a man looking for a wellspring of water." This would indicate that there are others who possibly know of the Sith teachings beyond the Outer Rim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-darko Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 (edited) The books in the new "canon" also suggest that Palpatine had plans to seek out the origin of their power Had appreciated a spoiler tag here, am currently just at chapter 3;) and the new "canon" is the only canon as of the Disney Purge This would indicate that there are others who possibly know of the Sith teachings beyond the Outer Rim. Which is very interesting, indeed! Who or what is Sith is kind of laid out in the clone wars t.v. series. I would say that the Dark side is, if not well mapped, so well described. When Anakin identifies the Son as a Darksider he assume he is a Sith. But as Light side not equals Jedi, doesn't Dark side equals Sith. The OPs linked article express just that. Hence my reasoning . . . Edited September 20, 2015 by t-darko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
that_Spartan_IV Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 (edited) I'm a little annoyed on what they decided to do with the Kylo Ren character. He's not a Sith. BUUUUT he wears a black cloak, is a devotee of the Dark Side, has a red lightsaber, wants to exterminate the last of the Jedi.... Really? Yeah, yeah, we need to get past the Sith I guess, the prophecy whatever of the Sith being destroyed, but really? He's just so much like a Sith it makes the prophecy seem pointless....it's like the same villain but with a different name so far. (I say so far because I haven't seen the movie yet, so I'm only analyzing what we have for now.) Edited September 21, 2015 by that_Spartan_IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DNGDangerous Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Maybe he didnt graduate as a sith from the sith academy? (moriban... What a terrible name for a planet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faardor Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 There is nobody to teach him how to be a Sith (since others have stated there are no Sith currently) so in essence he is just a dark jedi. To borrow a bit from legends, Kylo Ren is in an organization of force users I would consider similar to the imperial knights but instead being grey / light leaning they are grey / dark leaning (or just plain dark). For all intents and purposes power wise (aside from the lack of sith alchemy) they arent that much different from regular Sith. (but of course this is speculation somewhat, so take my vision with a grain of salt) but they might have a different doctrine on certain things. (on maybe Jedi for example.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotgutus Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 ... To borrow a bit from legends, Kylo Ren is in an organization of force users I would consider similar to the imperial knights but instead being grey / light leaning they are grey / dark leaning (or just plain dark) ... Yeah, so far it looks like the order Kylo comes from is following legends. Very little is actually known but, The symbol used for the banners in the one trailer and Kylo's last name are consistent with The Order of Ren. We'll have to wait and see though. /excited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansumlazurwolf Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 There is nobody to teach him how to be a Sith Except for Sith holocrons, and any Sith ghosts that happen to be around. Also, it's far from impossible that survivors from the Late or Middle Sith Empires ended up somewhere out on the fringes of the galaxy, in the Unknown Regions, or the galactic halo, or even (though it'd be more difficult) a satellite galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyltran Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Maul is still at large too. He hasn't died yet in the current Canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faardor Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Except for Sith holocrons, and any Sith ghosts that happen to be around. Also, it's far from impossible that survivors from the Late or Middle Sith Empires ended up somewhere out on the fringes of the galaxy, in the Unknown Regions, or the galactic halo, or even (though it'd be more difficult) a satellite galaxy. The problem with that is, is that all of that knowledge came mostly from Legends. Like, I wouldn't know what ghosts and holocrons there would be around anymore. (I guess id have to read the canon books they are writing and see) Altough maybe that'll be adressed in the movies and spin-offs. (like as an example moraband vs korriban) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upirlikhyi Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Vader was not born a Sith, so ........ other then the SIth race was anyone born sith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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