Hook us up with some dual spec.

[Zanguar]

Don't be naive. Bioware, you know you are going to have to put it in eventually. Don't let the 10 year old trolls try and convince you that its not needed. WoW has made Dual spec standard MMO practice and rift followed suit. Swtor is missing some key quality of life elements that makes it feel aged even when its a brand new game.

 

You can even make it so I have to go back to the trainer to do it, that would be fine with me. Dual spec just gives you more possible healers and tanks running around, so I really don't see a downside.

 

And you 10 year old trolls can shove your choices have consequences crap, this game is full of choices, go make some.

 

i'm 30 not 10 and for sure not a troll... dual specc is not needed... is it W fought you can't play with your spec in pvp and pve or is it yours?

[Astron_]

This is a prime example of how the design philosophy of WoW has posioned the MMO genre.

It used to be if you wanted to try another role you had to make a new character and in doing so you HAD to learn the role you chose by doing the leveling content the end result was that we had healer,tanks,dps and some cases support class that knew what they were doing.

Now with entitlement mentality that WoW has breed we are stuck with people who think that MMO=Casual game which is about the farest thing from the true there is.

Now I'm not saying casual gamers are bad or that they should not bother with MMO's however they should know that they aren't going to see everything in the game or get items of equal quality as those of a hardcore raider.

You wouldn't pick up a Flight Sim and instantly expect to be able to fligh a 747.

Sorry got abit side tracked

Back to the point I was making Dual speccing has a tendency do the opposit to what it was made for making grouping easier, since most people have one spec they like more and therefor are better with and then they have a backup one which they keep just in case and know next to nothing about this spec which tends to be Healer or Tank and we all know what happens to groups where the healer or tank isn't geared and/or doesn't know what they are doing.

My five cents on the subject

 

This is utter bullcrap. Dual-spec in WoW was a great implementation. If i joined as DPS, and the tank left in the middle of the instance, I could just respec and change gear and tank the rest so we didn't have to wait for a new tank.

Another plus was that I learned proper DPS-rotations together with tanking which I already knew a lot about. Made people learn their class better and also made incentive to hoard a new set of gear. Genious move by Blizzard.

[AlkalineKitten]

Back to the point I was making Dual speccing has a tendency do the opposit to what it was made for making grouping easier, since most people have one spec they like more and therefor are better with and then they have a backup one which they keep just in case and know next to nothing about this spec which tends to be Healer or Tank and we all know what happens to groups where the healer or tank isn't geared and/or doesn't know what they are doing.

My five cents on the subject

 

You're forgetting a key game feature.

 

In TOR, Gear is Gear. Marksman gear the same as Lethality. Healing Operatives gear the same as Concealment. Shadow Tanks wear Infiltration kits, and even if they allowed swapping ACs, then a Shadow and Sage still wear the same gear, covet the same stats. The obvious exception is saber styles/sniper rifles/off hands, depending on the AC flavor, which is fine.

 

This holds true across all the classes, it's how they designed things.

 

You will not have people needing for OffSpec, you will not have DPS with awesome gear needing a better "healing" set.

Edited December 26, 2011 by AlkalineKitten

[aznthecapn]

Dual Spec isn't needed at all...WoW is a failed model. Go back to WoW for your dual spec.

 

Yes, 11 million subscribers at its peak - WoW is clearly a failed model.

 

Idiot.

[Akilae]

Is it so difficult to spell dual?

[AlkalineKitten]

i'm 30 not 10 and for sure not a troll... dual specc is not needed... is it W fought you can't play with your spec in pvp and pve or is it yours?

 

It's BW's. Not necessarily a fault, but some talents lend themselves to PvP vs PvE.

 

It's an MMO staple. WoW and other MMOs offered dual spec or multiple easy respecs. Some games like City Of Heroes just made moves work differently in context.

 

The way ToR chose to approach things, Dual Spec would help. They're the ones who cribbed from the cloth EQ, WoW, and other MMOs are cut from, it stands to reason they should keep up the pace.

Edited December 26, 2011 by AlkalineKitten

[Hajizan]

Or you could just wait a few months until TOR has it.

 

Hopefully at the end of next month all of the wow fan club will be gone.

[Kiriath]

Your logic sir, has taken an arrow to the knee.

 

Duel spec is necessary considering that a large portion of this game is pvp based. Those that claim that there is no need for duel spec obv do not pvp often OR are not skilled in pvp to the point of realizing that pve and pvp require different specs.

 

 

 

Totally agree!

[carnac_fett]

Hopefully at the end of next month all of the wow fan club will be gone.

 

I'll still be here. I'm a grown adult who doesn't have to pick sides in a fictitious war between two online games, and can afford to pay for and enjoy both!

Edited December 26, 2011 by carnac_fett

[Zironic]

Which reinforces what I said. The tank in question has not had a few hours to learn how their class tanks. They've been playing DPS up until this point. Perhaps they have tanked with their current class previously; perhaps not. But even if they have tanked before, they likely have not had "a few hours" of experience.

Everyone has to tank their first instance sometime, you're not going to learn tanking by doings quests in tanking spec either. I suspect the vast majority of players (Thanks to WoW and Dual Spec!) already has tanking experience by now.

 

That isn't what I said, either. Each class plays differently (taking into account the mirror classes, but that isn't what I am referring to). Yes, it is easy to switch from playing a DPS Sorc to a Tank Powertech to a Healer Sage. But that isn't what the thread is about; it's out of the blue switching roles on the same class. It's randomly changing the way a given class plays because the role is different.

I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say.

 

Which goes back to the post I replied to - having two sets of gear that has to be switched based on role. I will admit that TOR does not have quite that issue since a given class will use a given type of weapon or armor. But even then, roles will impact requirements. A DPS Oprative is going to need higher armor than a healer, simply because the healer is not going to be in melee range.

All armors of the same item level have the same armor value in this game, but you just go ahead and make ignorant statements ; ). Usually the way people solve this problem in other games is just look at the Tanks HP and check that it's in tune with the instances difficulty.

 

No. I am saying I don't want a useless game feature, just because some people can't make up their minds.

 

I've seen off-spec healers do fine. But they knew they were off-spec, were playing a build they had been playing with all along, and knew how that build worked.

What if I want to play BOTH PvP and PvE? SHOCKING!!!, I want to experiance more then one part of the game!?!?!?!?!ONEONEONE!111

 

What if I sometimes like healing and sometimes like to DPS? What if I prefer to DPS but don't mind tanking/healing if noone else is there to do the job? Shocking!!!!

 

What if, oh my god, I want to be in a DPS spec for questing purposes but still want to Heal/Tank when my guild needs me to? Is that a crime against your high ideals about spec purity!?!?!!

 

And how am I supposed to know that the "tank" in my PUG was a DPS 5 minutes ago? Especially if all they put in chat is that they are a tank? I have enough problems keeping track of everyone in my guild; now I'm supposed to know the normal class of everyone on my server?

If you have a functional brain, there's a number of things you can do. First off you can ask them if they have tanking experience, most people are actually fairly honest about that, if you don't trust them, you can just ask them an easy question "There's a group of 4 mobs where 1 is melee, 2 ranged and one healer, how do you pull them?".

 

You seem to be missing my point. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. My issue isn't with off-spec. As I said, I've seen a DPS-specced Oprative heal through flashpoints and do fine. My comment was directed at people who (for example) specced DPS-Sage who switched to Healer just before joining the group. Someone running an off-spec role at least knows how their build works. The person who respecced 5 minutes ago very likely does not, especially if (as you stated able) they have not had "a few hours" to play with their build to get a feel for it.

As I've already said, you only do things for the first time once. You have to be seriously unlucky if you keep running into people doing it for their first time.

Edited December 26, 2011 by Zironic

[Anyanica]

I don't want duel spec... I never used it in WoW and Rift was such a terrible game.

[Marmerus]

Dual Spec isn't needed at all...WoW is a failed model. Go back to WoW for your dual spec.

First 10 year old troll detected!

[Camthylion]

I can do without duel spec in this game. I see many other features that I would rather have implanted into the game.

[aznthecapn]

Hopefully at the end of next month all of the wow fan club will be gone.

 

A good idea is a good idea regardless of what game its in. Who cares that WoW did it first? Why is that automatically a reason to hate an idea? That's the most juvenile, assanine mentality I've ever seen. Dual spec gives you more options and an easy way to solve a common MMO problem. People aren't going to spec what they aren't comfortable playing so you won't be muddying the waters with tons of terrible tanks and healers. You'll get several more, many of which will be decent to good. It will affect you on a minimal level - don't want it, don't get it.

 

I don't see the problem here.

[aznthecapn]

I don't want duel spec... I never used it in WoW and Rift was such a terrible game.

 

That's not a reason to not implement it here. It'll likely be a money sink you pay for. Don't pay for it.

[dreman]

Why do we need a dual spec for a game system where every class is Hybrid?

[Kemosobe]

So if you want dual spec simply because WoW has it, I have 4 words for you; go, back, to, WoW. Dual spec is not at all needed in this game.

 

I also love how the 10 year olds are the ones who don't want dual spec when in order to fully understand why we don't want dual spec, you have had to have played MMOs that are more than 10 years old.

[carnac_fett]

So if you want dual spec simply because WoW has it, I have 4 words for you; go, back, to, WoW. Dual spec is not at all needed in this game.

 

Just to clarify, Bioware is already working on Dual Spec. Please avoid making posts like this, you risk spreading misinformation. If you want dual spec, all you have to do is hang in there for a few months until it's in TOR.

[aznthecapn]

So if you want dual spec simply because WoW has it, I have 4 words for you; go, back, to, WoW. Dual spec is not at all needed in this game.

 

 

No one wants dual spec "simply because WoW has it." We want dual spec because it allows us to further our playstyle options in an efficient manner. I get the concept of being just one role as your character - its a very RP philosophy. But not everyone plays these games purely for the RP. I love the story but I also like changing up how I play from time to time. I also like being what people need me to be. Its why I always had lots of max level, well-geared characters in that other MMO - for when people needed me to be something my main was not. Dual spec makes that happen in a quick, cost-effective way.

 

Don't want it, don't buy it.

[Pingor]

Im a DPS commando. They can put dual spec in if they want but I'm not using it. I dont enjoy healing, thats why I play DPS. Aslong as people dont seem to think that because its there I should do it then I couldnt care less.

 

I refuse to heal, its not my cup of tea. Deal with it and we'll have no problem with dual spec in the game. Tell me I should heal because I now have the option? piss off. Simple as that.

Edited December 26, 2011 by Pingor

[Carnerous]

So if you want dual spec simply because WoW has it, I have 4 words for you; go, back, to, WoW. Dual spec is not at all needed in this game.

 

I also love how the 10 year olds are the ones who don't want dual spec when in order to fully understand why we don't want dual spec, you have had to have played MMOs that are more than 10 years old.

please nelight us what a 10 years old piece of **** can teach us about a modern mmo.

[Pingor]

please nelight us what a 10 years old piece of **** can teach us about a modern mmo.

 

Pretty much everything buddy. Just like how old black and white movies paved the way and passed on ideas and themes for modern movies.

 

Dont be so ignorant.

[aznthecapn]

Tell me I should heal because I now have the option? piss off. Simple as that.

 

 

Doubtless some morons will tell you that but its a load of crap. Its all about playing how you want to, not how others expect you too (yet another positive point for dual spec in general).

[Zironic]

Im a DPS commando. They can put dual spec in if they want but I'm not using it. I dont enjoy healing, thats why I play DPS. Aslong as people dont seem to think that because its there I should do it then I couldnt care less.

 

I refuse to heal, its not my cup of tea. Deal with it and we'll have no problem with dual spec in the game. Tell me I should heal because I now have the option? piss off. Simple as that.

 

No one is going to force you to heal, however I suspect you'll still be interested in the feature since the PvE and PvP specs are different, and if you want to participate in both game modes with any level of seriousness you'll want to easily be able to switch between those specs.

[Ghoulishtie]

If you mean duel spec between talents, i'm cool with it. If you however mean being able to rechoose between one of the 2 advanced classes of what you picked, no, bad idea.