Female Body Type 2 shorter?

[Mubrak]

Is it just me or is the female body 2 shorter now ?

 

I'm pretty sure that female 2 was once just as high as male 2, now it's the same height as body 1, just more meat on the bones and a bigger chest.

Edited July 10, 2015 by Mubrak

[Noobishlord]

My memory's saying that the female models were always shorter than the male models of equivalent number.

[cyrusramsey]

Is it just me or is the female body 2 shorter now ?

 

I'm pretty sure that female 2 was once just as high as male 2, now it's the same height as body 1, just more meat on the bones and a bigger chest.

 

fem2 was and is ever so slightly shorter than fem1, has not changed

 

fem3 is the one that's close to male2 in length

[Vyerix]

Female 2 is slightly shorter than male 2. Female 3 is same height as male 2.

[Djiini]

Female 2 is slightly shorter than male 2. Female 3 is same height as male 2.

 

That bugs the absolute crap out of me, by the way.

[branmakmuffin]

That bugs the absolute crap out of me, by the way.

Which one? And why?

[Renata_Roselli]

I remember when I first played the game and made female body 1, got to level 13 then realized it was too tiny. Deleted it then re-rolled with body 2. Happy ever since.

[Quething]

That bugs the absolute crap out of me, by the way.

 

Agreed.

 

Also lame: Jorgan, Theron, Theran, and every damn other male companion standing on a box just to maintain their manly tallness when kissing body type 3 PCs.

[CaliOrion]

100000% agreement with everyone who hates this. I have always been angry about BWs sexist treatment of the body-types. God forbid fat or tall women exist.

 

But yes, it's been this way as long as I've played.

Edited July 11, 2015 by CaliOrion

[Newyankalt]

Agreed.

 

Also lame: Jorgan, Theron, Theran, and every damn other male companion standing on a box just to maintain their manly tallness when kissing body type 3 PCs.

People play Female Body type 3?? I haven't seen an actual person as one in a very long time.

[OathboundCoH]

People play Female Body type 3?? I haven't seen an actual person as one in a very long time.

 

I only use body 3 for my few female characters. I think that it's weird if you have a person who's ostensibly been in training/physical conditioning for months/years, but is still a tiny little super petite wisp of a woman.

 

Though honestly, male bodies 1 and 2 also feel too small to me. I really wish there was a body 2.5, bulkier than body 2, but somewhat shorter/more compact than body 3.

[CaliOrion]

People play Female Body type 3?? I haven't seen an actual person as one in a very long time.

 

Yes.

 

We're complaining about it, so I think it's safe to assume that we play them, no? Despite their bizarre propotions, their terrible clipping issues, their awkward stance caused by their upper body being scaled wrong for their lower body, their absurd butt-jut, the fact the female type-3 doesn't really get muscles, and the fact that they get even further wimpified in cutscenes. *sigh*

[tmwfte]

...their absurd butt-jut...

 

This is true of pretty much all of the body types and NPCs. I swear someone on the original development staff was obsessed with shelf-butts. Possibly they all were too ensconced by the Kardashians?

[Andrellma]

100000% agreement with everyone who hates this. I have always been angry about BWs sexist treatment of the body-types. God forbid fat or tall women exist.

 

But yes, it's been this way as long as I've played.

 

 

To be fair, fat male toons don't exist either. Take off the shirt on a male body type 4, and you'll see he's built like the Hulk.

[SithKoriandr]

I remember when I first played the game and made female body 1, got to level 13 then realized it was too tiny. Deleted it then re-rolled with body 2. Happy ever since.

 

Last I looked, it looked like Body 1 was slightly taller than Body 2.

[Diviciacus]

I only use body 3 for my few female characters. I think that it's weird if you have a person who's ostensibly been in training/physical conditioning for months/years, but is still a tiny little super petite wisp of a woman.

 

Have you seen ESPN's Body2015 stuff? Some of the female athletes are pretty skinny - but they also have like 2% body fat.

 

Though honestly, male bodies 1 and 2 also feel too small to me. I really wish there was a body 2.5, bulkier than body 2, but somewhat shorter/more compact than body 3.

 

I concur. Body type 2 is an "average" sort of guy, and body type 3 is some kind of insane, sci-fi-esque super soldier. Some middle ground would be nice, for sure.

 

To be fair, fat male toons don't exist either. Take off the shirt on a male body type 4, and you'll see he's built like the Hulk.

Which is completely nonsensical. The proportions of male body type 4 are very clearly that of someone who is morbidly obese. Could such a person be strong? Of course. But you certainly wouldn't ever see their muscles like you can in-game.

Edited July 11, 2015 by Diviciacus

[SithKoriandr]

I only use body 3 for my few female characters. I think that it's weird if you have a person who's ostensibly been in training/physical conditioning for months/years, but is still a tiny little super petite wisp of a woman.

 

Though honestly, male bodies 1 and 2 also feel too small to me. I really wish there was a body 2.5, bulkier than body 2, but somewhat shorter/more compact than body 3.

 

You know it all depends on one's body type, genetics, the type of working out, food eaten and basically a lot of variables, right? Let's look at the Inquisitor, who looks to have been a slave for awhile. Skinny would seem to make sense.

 

Strong man competitions, ever notice how a lot of them look like body type 4? Mr Universe may look more like body type 3, if not more muscled.

[CaliOrion]

The proportions of male body type 4 are very clearly that of someone who is morbidly obese. Could such a person be strong? Of course. But you certainly wouldn't ever see their muscles like you can in-game.

 

Me and my guildies joke that he spray-paints muscles on.

[Newyankalt]

I only use body 3 for my few female characters. I think that it's weird if you have a person who's ostensibly been in training/physical conditioning for months/years, but is still a tiny little super petite wisp of a woman.

 

Though honestly, male bodies 1 and 2 also feel too small to me. I really wish there was a body 2.5, bulkier than body 2, but somewhat shorter/more compact than body 3.

 

Most of the female Jedi and stuff in like The Clone Wars TV show where not built women either, I don't think Jedi really train physical strength when the force is what is needed to allow them to keep up with stronger more physical non force users. Same would go for Sith. I don't picture a very muscular smuggler or agent either.

[Mubrak]

Okay guys, back to the topic

 

My point wasn't really about the height-difference between male and female but between female 1 and 2.

Maybe Fem1 changed? Wasn't Fem1 (Mako, Kaliyo) once smaller than Fem2, not just slimmer?

 

In my memory type 1 was the petite little teenage girl and type2 and type4 were the same height. And I'm pretty sure I would have chosen Type 1 for my female chars if the main difference between them was the cup size.

 

And what about Type 4? General Garza and that unfaithful wife on imperial Balmorra come to mind, I don't remember them being larger than my Vanguard, Operative or Sorcerer. But well, it's almost 2 years for the "youngest" of them.

Edited July 11, 2015 by Mubrak

[CaliOrion]

Most of the female Jedi and stuff in like The Clone Wars TV show where not built women either, I don't think Jedi really train physical strength when the force is what is needed to allow them to keep up with stronger more physical non force users. Same would go for Sith. I don't picture a very muscular smuggler or agent either.

 

That's fine if you like that. You want to play a sleek male OR female, you can do that. The problem is that while you can ALSO play a buff or fat male, you can't play a buff or fat female, and female characters can never be as tall as male characters.

 

So, basically, I don't mean this to be rude, but: I don't CARE how you picture jedi, sith, smugglers, or agents. You should be able to have waifs or swimmers-builds if those are what you want. But the point is that, by the same token, *MY* characters should be able to select any reasonable body type that *I* want them to have. And they should retain that body type even if some insecure dev doesn't like animating big bad girls next to their dorky little boyfriends.

[CaliOrion]

Okay guys, back to the topic

 

My point wasn't really about the height-difference between male and female but between female 1 and 2.

Maybe Fem1 changed? Wasn't Fem1 (Mako, Kaliyo) once smaller than Fem2, not just slimmer?

 

In my memory type 1 was the petite little teenage girl and type2 and type4 were the same height. And I'm pretty sure I would have chosen Type 1 for my female chars if the main difference between them was the cup size.

 

And what about Type 4? General Garza and that unfaithful woman on imperial Balmorra come to mind, I don't remember them being larger than my Vanguard, Operative or Sorcerer.

 

I don't recall type 1 ever being shorter, but I hate hate hate type 1 (both male and female type 1s are very badly proportioned all over) and have never managed to use it for more than about 5 levels, so I may be mis-remembering.

 

Type 4 is about the same height as the type 2. I've made type 4s that my guildmate literally didn't even realize were not type 2s before. :| The chick on Imperial Balmorra with the fling in the cantina is a type 3 and has always towered over the type 2 females.

Edited July 11, 2015 by CaliOrion

[Mubrak]

but I hate hate hate type 1 (both male and female type 1s are very badly proportioned all over)

 

Really? IMO Fem 2 is the badly proportioned one. Yes, it's the standard female computer game body, but plastic surgery aside, how often do you see DDD+ cups on a sporty body in real life?

 

Fem1 may be a bit anorexic, but realistically so; same for Type 4, even Type 3 may be a bit exaggerated but I wouldn't call her disproportioned (she's too intimidating )

 

Edit:

Just found an image from 2012:

http://de.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=16lzf2o&s=5#.VaC3FCgvgis

Actually Type 1 was half an inch higher than Type 2 even then... Not sure why I suddenly thought Type 1 was supposed to be half a head smaller

Edited July 11, 2015 by Mubrak

[CaliOrion]

Really? IMO Fem 2 is the badly proportioned one. Yes, it's the standard female computer game body, but plastic surgery aside, how often do you see DDD+ cups on a sporty body in real life?

 

Fem1 may be a bit anorexic, but realistically so; same for Type 4, even Type 3 may be a bit exaggerated but I wouldn't call her disproportioned (she's too intimidating )

 

I don't have a problem with the chest on any of the female body types except maybe 1. They might be a little bigger than average on the other three, but they're not big enough that I'd notice anything unusual if I passed someone like that on the street (unlike the humongous jutting-out barrels that the men's type 2-4 chests are in this game. Who let Rob Liefeld in here?) What IS very badly proportioned is the giant bobble head on the tiny spindly neck of the female type 1 (she shouldn't be able to support her own head unaided,) the shoulder joints which are way too wide-set compared to the hips on the male type 1 and as compared to the ribcage and hips on the female type 3 (broad, muscular shoulders are not the same thing as just stretching the skeleton outward) the massive butt-jut for female types 3 and 4 (having a padded rear end would be fine, but this trainwreck involves the curvature of the spine: they have the exaggerated ***-out posture of someone wearing heels, even though they aren't) the giant freakin' ankles on the type 3 male, and the tiny little wasp-waist for everyone female, even the type 4. Also, the female type 1 in real life wouldn't be "bit anorexic," she'd literally be hospitalized or dead.

 

(Seriously, I didn't realize how bad it was until just now - the bulky armour/robes usually hides it, apparently; but I just made a female type 1 and stripped her gear off and ewwww. That is disgusting. The non-sprint jog that new characters do also makes her hips roll so far to the sides, her spine must be made of freaking rubber.)

Edited July 11, 2015 by CaliOrion

[Newyankalt]

That's fine if you like that. You want to play a sleek male OR female, you can do that. The problem is that while you can ALSO play a buff or fat male, you can't play a buff or fat female, and female characters can never be as tall as male characters.

 

So, basically, I don't mean this to be rude, but: I don't CARE how you picture jedi, sith, smugglers, or agents. You should be able to have waifs or swimmers-builds if those are what you want. But the point is that, by the same token, *MY* characters should be able to select any reasonable body type that *I* want them to have. And they should retain that body type even if some insecure dev doesn't like animating big bad girls next to their dorky little boyfriends.

 

Sorry to say but this is never going to happen though, not on this current engine and changing body types now would probably lead to tons of clipping issues.