agento Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 With the coming movie there will certainly be major hype surrounding falling to the darkside! I would love the ability to change factions, but have it mean something instead of just being a paid service like other mmo's. Have a quest line and the requirement to go full light or dark and then paying even 1800cc so that people do not just flip flop. I have been an imperial for 3 years and recently switched to the pub side. I'd love to bring a character over and a quest line to move to the light side would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altyrell Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 They're never ever going to allow Player Allegiance Switching because there is just WAY too much stuff that would end up being removed or would no longer be able to do upon switching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topperharly Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) what they should add is a "phasing" where you switch. you can travel to korriban for instance, but you will only be able to see other people from your faction that have turned, so no interaction in any way or form to the other side. same with tython. (they already did that with taris/balmorra) i would love to see that, because of agent working for sis, light side sith warrior, dark side jedi, light side inqui Edited December 7, 2014 by topperharly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XiamaraSimi Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 (edited) Given that aside from the occasional snippet nod in expansions they said class stories are done and forked, I see zero chance in this -ever- happening because that would entail them doing more class story work. Plus can you imagine the horrible horrible bugs that would result with them tinkering with core basics in such a way? Urgh. Edited December 7, 2014 by XiamaraSimi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topperharly Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Given that aside from the occasional snippet nod in expansions they said class stories are done and forked, I see zero chance in this -ever- happening because that would entail them doing more class story work. Plus can you imagine the horrible horrible bugs that would result with them tinkering with core basics in such a way? Urgh. waaaaaait...what? no more story missions? what the ****, the story missions where the big deal about swtor..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agento Posted December 7, 2014 Author Share Posted December 7, 2014 Given that aside from the occasional snippet nod in expansions they said class stories are done and forked, I see zero chance in this -ever- happening because that would entail them doing more class story work. Plus can you imagine the horrible horrible bugs that would result with them tinkering with core basics in such a way? Urgh. So many MMO's have done it. If it means money, you can NEVER say NEVER! I love how emphatic people are that this could NEVER happen. Probably said the same thing in WoW years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanNate Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 They said they won't do it because of the systems in place that deal with companions. Not enough payoff for too many resources. Even the new devs have said this is not going to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agento Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 They said they won't do it because of the systems in place that deal with companions. Not enough payoff for too many resources. Even the new devs have said this is not going to happen Show me specifically where the new devs said "this is not going to happen" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanNate Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Show me specifically where the new devs said "this is not going to happen" Just go search the cantina event transcriptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanNate Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=7418124#post7418124 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agento Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=7418124#post7418124 OK so right at the beginning he says I am remiss to ever say the word never, but I can say that it is very, very unlikely that we would ever implement any type of Faction change. Which is what I have been saying all along. Just because some dev who happens to work there now says its unlikely DOES NOT MEAN NEVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanNate Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 OK so right at the beginning he says Which is what I have been saying all along. Just because some dev who happens to work there now says its unlikely DOES NOT MEAN NEVER. Thats a nice way of devs saying never. Not enough return for too many resources, and potential to cause took many issues to core gameplay. Saying never is bad pr. Be as naive as you want. It won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agento Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Thats a nice way of devs saying never. Not enough return for too many resources, and potential to cause took many issues to core gameplay. Saying never is bad pr. Be as naive as you want. It won't happen. Then I guess were going to disagree It's not being naive at all... I guess you wernt around when WoW was in it's infancy and Dev's said they would NEVER EVER EVER allow factions changes..... Now it's a top money maker. So go on and call me naive if it makes you feel bigger. I'll just wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altyrell Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Then I guess were going to disagree It's not being naive at all... I guess you wernt around when WoW was in it's infancy and Dev's said they would NEVER EVER EVER allow factions changes..... Now it's a top money maker. So go on and call me naive if it makes you feel bigger. I'll just wait and see. EXCEPT WoW doesn't have: Companions Class Storyline VOICE OVERS Also, if a Sith Warrior changes to the Republic Side, what would they become? What about the Imperial Agent switching to the Republic? Or the Trooper joining the Empire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanNate Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Then I guess were going to disagree It's not being naive at all... I guess you wernt around when WoW was in it's infancy and Dev's said they would NEVER EVER EVER allow factions changes..... Now it's a top money maker. So go on and call me naive if it makes you feel bigger. I'll just wait and see. Wow faction changes don't involve a companion system built into the core of gameplay. If a feature doesn't A. Benefit the large majority of players, and B. Create a viable profit margin, it won't be implemented. Using WoW is a terrible comparison. No other mmo on the market has their budget or Dev team size. Saying WoW did it means nothing. WoW is the exception, not the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanNate Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 EXCEPT WoW doesn't have: Companions Class Storyline VOICE OVERS Also, if a Sith Warrior changes to the Republic Side, what would they become? What about the Imperial Agent switching to the Republic? Or the Trooper joining the Empire? Not to mention the devs also stated faction is tied into quest flags, so everything from 1-60 would have to be completely re-coded, not to mention some Companions are tied directly into certain quest lines, this request is wishful thinking. There are far better things they can distribute limited Dev resources to fixing or creating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agento Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Also, if a Sith Warrior changes to the Republic Side, what would they become? What about the Imperial Agent switching to the Republic? Or the Trooper joining the Empire? This is a really bad argument... each class has a direct counter class... Obviously it would be the mirror class that you would become. As for Advanced Class? I'd say you would get to choose again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altyrell Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 This is a really bad argument... each class has a direct counter class... Obviously it would be the mirror class that you would become. As for Advanced Class? I'd say you would get to choose again. It actually isn't a really bad argument. Bounty Hunter becomes a Trooper.... Then, how would they pick up the Trooper's Companion as the Trooper get them through the Trooper's Storyline. The Hunter would not only lose their own Companions, but also their CLASS Ship, along with access to the Imperial Fleet along with Korriban & Nal Hutta. Their Taris & Balmorra will also change. Oh, and the Female BH would go from having Grey DeLisle as their Voice Actress to Jennifer Hale. Also, they'd loose their Pistols and will have to use Rifle/BFG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sounders_Fan Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I would like to see something similar, but a bit different. a reskinning of abilities. for example if a sage is 100% darkside, then his rock abilities should become lightning to signify that he is dark side. and vise-versa for a lightside sorc. Sage/sorc and shadow/assassin is probably the ones where the reskins of abilities would be most obvious. but it could work on others. dark side knight uses force choke instead of stasis would be another example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidE Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Most people have mentioned the following as to why it can't be implemented: -Class companions. -Story quests -Faction questions Etc.. There is also one other thing: Legacy achievements. If I have a level 60 Sage, with all my story and companion achievements unlocked and I switch factions what happens? My opinion is that anyone should gain absolutely NO achievements for the mirrored class, as the system is designed for people to play all classes if they wish to unlock achievements. But not all people share that opinion of mine and will expect and demand that their achievements unlock for the mirrored class. As much I was would love a faction change it's just almost impossible due to coding and the amount of resources and upfront cost from BioWare to implement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topperharly Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 looks like nobody read what i wrote. i think an easy way to do this is phasing. you will still be "imp" or "rep" but you could be able to visit tyhon, korriban, droomung kaas, corrusant in a "special" phase. like taris/balmorra. easy way to "fake" a change from your character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyVix Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 If you want to visit the other side, just create a new character using the game mechanics currently in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topperharly Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 thats not the point my )agent spoiler) agent works for the republic so if they add ne story content they could do that with phasing. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHboy Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 OK so right at the beginning he says Which is what I have been saying all along. Just because some dev who happens to work there now says its unlikely DOES NOT MEAN NEVER. sure, hell could freeze over, vikings win the super bowl, I win the lottery, Earth gets hit by a comet, open a hyper crate and get nothing but super rare items....all are about equal or higher probability than STWOR allowing a faction change. Is it zero, no. Is it as close to zero as one can get, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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