Wolfninjajedi Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 I was thinking more on the lines of Carnor Jax, Aurra Sing, Sly Moore etc. i.e. those who one wouldn't really consider to be trained Force sensitives and therefore it would be only an inconvenience to have them subtract a number from your Force User allowance. Though I'm not entirely sure. I'm pretty sure Jax and Sing would be considered trained Force Sensitives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tausra Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 If there is a third, or fourth, Force User added to the mix, and we are going to use decreasing power levels, I think there needs to be an agreed upon example of what each power level means. This way there is a benchmark for comparison and argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 I'm pretty sure Jax and Sing would be considered trained Force Sensitives.True I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karadron Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 If there is a third, or fourth, Force User added to the mix, and we are going to use decreasing power levels, I think there needs to be an agreed upon example of what each power level means. This way there is a benchmark for comparison and argument. Like some sort of tiered structure that defines where each Force User would fit in the power spectrum. Sounds like a lot of extra work to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silenceo Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Like some sort of tiered structure that defines where each Force User would fit in the power spectrum. Sounds like a lot of extra work to me. Leader: Darth Krayte Second-In-Command: Exar Kun Ally: Darth Sion Ally: Inquistor Jerec /Game Explanation: Exar Kun, Krayte, and Sion are all extremely hard to kill, whereas Jerec would be good for providing information and tracking opponents. Granted if Darth Krayte dies it is over, new body or not. Exar Kun though it is possible since he isn't the leader, to come back as a sith spirit when he dies. Good luck actually killing Darth Sion unless they are masters of Dun Moch or able to disintegrate him. Side Note: This is merely a hastily thrown together list, never intended to try to use it, just demonstrating how OP it could get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Leader: Darth Krayte Second-In-Command: Exar Kun Ally: Darth Sion Ally: Inquistor Jerec /Game Explanation: Exar Kun, Krayte, and Sion are all extremely hard to kill, whereas Jerec would be good for providing information and tracking opponents. Granted if Darth Krayte dies it is over, new body or not. Exar Kun though it is possible since he isn't the leader, to come back as a sith spirit when he dies. Good luck actually killing Darth Sion unless they are masters of Dun Moch or able to disintegrate him. Side Note: This is merely a hastily thrown together list, never intended to try to use it, just demonstrating how OP it could get. Just dismember/behead Sion, he's never shown to have that level of regeneration. Edited August 31, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tausra Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 He's also never been shown not to survive it. We have anecdotal evidence that suggests every bone in his body has been broken beyond counting, which includes the vertebrae. So long as he hates hard enough, nothing stops him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Just dismember/behead Sion, he's never shown to have that level of regeneration. He could come back as a head. That would be neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karadron Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 He could come back as a head. That would be neat. So he's just going to bite his enemies to death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 So he's just going to bite his enemies to death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) He's also never been shown not to survive it. We have anecdotal evidence that suggests every bone in his body has been broken beyond counting, which includes the vertebrae. So long as he hates hard enough, nothing stops him. Broken, not dismembered. He very well could be dismembered and not being able to revive from it. Sure it isn't shown, but I really doubt his regeneration capabilities would go as far as losing limbs. Edited August 31, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Didnt it specifically say every bone taken apart and put back together again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 (edited) Didnt it specifically say every bone taken apart and put back together again? His bones....not his limbs. You can still have a leg or an arm with all the bones crushed/in pieces and they'll still be attached to your body. Edited August 31, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 I'm still not entirely sure, case in point to be both of those combinations seem pretty OP. In the last for example you get three skilled tacticians who are also powerful Force Users and strong leaders, then battle meditation to boot. Swapping them out for a non-Force sensitive tactician, or a non-Force sensitive leader, would be an illogical move. In general choosing non-Force sensitive leaders and tacticians would be superfluous when you can have the Force to boot. And to be quite honest, I disagree with the notion that getting a full package is rare. Practically every prominent member of the Jedi Order was a skilled tactician, many where master tacticians. For the Sith it is much the same, either they are skilled tacticians or they are master manipulators, or both! Few Force Users are just mindless brutes. And for the record, most trained Force Users are expert pilots too, so they could definitely run blockades. Finally as a closing point, assassination would be nigh impossible unless you had a martial force of equal strength. Whereas a strike team led by Revan, the Exile, Alek and Bastila, or Anakin, Jacen, Jaina and Ben would obliterate. I might be inclined to allow minor Force sensitives, but this method is tried and tested, and it works just fine. Actually in the first example we know the following: "Revan's amnesic personality lacked the brilliance of strategy that he did as the conqueror of Malachor and Kuat." "Alek was a brash and straight forward general, he cost the Republic much and gained little in exchange. Revan had to hold him back, but even so his arrogance nearly led to his death at the hands of Mandalore himself." "Shan's ego cost her much, whilst her abilities were powerful, she was far from infallible and this lack of realization nearly led to her capture by Darth Revan himself several times." It would not be nearly as strong as you think. Take into account the Solo/Skywalker team and you realize that without a more adult figure guiding them they can and could get themselves into trouble, this is counter-balanced by their Battle-Meld and little more. Also I do not believe those strategists are on nearly the level of the major strategists like Daala, Pallaeon, Tarkin, Bwua'tu, etc.... they are far superior in many ways. Kenobi one of the best Jedi strategists ever, admits that the Jedi themselves could not win a war of strategy, they needed those fleet admirals. Like I stated, there are certainly boundaries here, a team of Talzin, Traya, Tyranus and Maul would be way beyond those limits. With the right limits in place, this could definitely work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Just a question here, but does anyone have the Imperial Army? As a ground force or supplier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Just a question here, but does anyone have the Imperial Army? As a ground force or supplier? Not from what I remember, but Beni has the updated lists, so he could probably tell you. Why do you ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) Not from what I remember, but Beni has the updated lists, so he could probably tell you. Why do you ask? Just curious is all. Moreso wondering if it's a supplier really, it's rather overlooked by many. Edited September 2, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Just curious is all. Moreso wondering if it's a supplier really, it's rather overlooked by many. You could always talk about it anyway, it may give people ideas for future factions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) You could always talk about it anyway, it may give people ideas for future factions. As a Ground Force? Given the rules here, they would be ok(moreso if they are allowed to use their specforces). They have some pretty hardcore training, though not to the extent of Stormtroopers but still they would be pretty good. As a Supplier? You're gonna have a dumpload of various vehicles/tech. Edited September 2, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tausra Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Lets assume we use the three force users thing, would we say someone like Aurra Sing could be third slot, or would it have to be based on power level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Btw, since I know someone has it. But to the one that has the 501st legion, should clarify what era you're using for said legion. Because it wasn't always the same after the Clone Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selenial Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Lets assume we use the three force users thing, would we say someone like Aurra Sing could be third slot, or would it have to be based on power level? Which Era? TCW Sing: Useless in terms of power levels. Post-Vader: On the level of Ventress/Luminara Unduli/Sion, and seems OK to me I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I agree with the above, three would at least allow for some of the trios, such as Kenobi/Skywalker/Tano. I don't think it should be restricted to those like Sing because frankly she'd be utterly useless. Somewhere around the level of Malak/Raskta/Zash/Unduli would be a good limitation and is likely balanced enough to allow for non-Forcers to be a good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beniboybling Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share Posted September 3, 2014 I agree with the above, three would at least allow for some of the trios, such as Kenobi/Skywalker/Tano. I don't think it should be restricted to those like Sing because frankly she'd be utterly useless. Somewhere around the level of Malak/Raskta/Zash/Unduli would be a good limitation and is likely balanced enough to allow for non-Forcers to be a good choice.Any one of those would still be far to powerful. Again I feel those who opt for non-Force sensitives are in a precarious position enough without this ruling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) Beni, I feel next time. Just do away with Force Users altogether, would make things more interesting and there are a lot of underused non-Force Users out there. Edited September 3, 2014 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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