Jboath Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Revanite overseers will use durasteel punch approximately 3 times, which each can be interrupted. Even a sent can use force kick, awe and force stasis. Commandant Jenarian? That **** is a joke, he'll force choke you 17 times in the 30 seconds he'll take to wipe out anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khevar Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Commandant Jenarian? That **** is a joke, he'll force choke you 17 times in the 30 seconds he'll take to wipe out anyone. Isn't Jenarian a named Conquest Commander? As in, intended to be done with an ops group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrellma Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Isn't Jenarian a named Conquest Commander? As in, intended to be done with an ops group? Nah, she's just a Champ. But tougher than most Champs. The Commandant should generally be treated as a flashpoint boss. Take a group of 4, and use some common sense and you'll be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfa Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Nah, she's just a Champ. But tougher than most Champs. The Commandant should generally be treated as a flashpoint boss. Take a group of 4, and use some common sense and you'll be fine. I got some pugs but we got wiped twice before we figured out the way to go. That 2nd stun is BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JainiaDral Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Revanite overseers will use durasteel punch approximately 3 times, which each can be interrupted. Even a sent can use force kick, awe and force stasis. Commandant Jenarian? That **** is a joke, he'll force choke you 17 times in the 30 seconds he'll take to wipe out anyone. Debatable with the current levels of lag. Haven't personally had a lot of luck interrupting more than one or two per battle, but that wasn't what I was aiming at. It's one thing to have knockbacks that send you back a couple of meters, it's another thing when you get launched into outer space with a single (sometimes non-interruptible) attack. The degree of knockback-- durasteel punch being only one example-- is ridiculous. Bioware seems to be really fond of it, especially after DA2, but it's gotten really old, really fast. Not that it was ever fun in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 I don't mind a knock back once in a while, what I find absolutely atrocious game design is the mobs that will knock you back, then pull you towards them, then knock you back again, then stun you multiple times. I wish I was exaggerating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 Isn't Jenarian a named Conquest Commander? As in, intended to be done with an ops group? I tried to solo her last week. I got her down to sub 10%, and I was still above 50%. Then she literally force choked me until I died. She force choked me from above 50% to dead. And of course since she had the usual Bioware amount of stuns, I had already used my CC break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted January 28, 2015 Author Share Posted January 28, 2015 Eric recently asked what we would like to see in streams, I would love to see a dev deal with all these stuns, particularly as a tank in an HM FP, and look into the camera and tell us that it is interesting gameplay and that they are having fun dealing with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbount Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Eric recently asked what we would like to see in streams, I would love to see a dev deal with all these stuns, particularly as a tank in an HM FP, and look into the camera and tell us that it is interesting gameplay and that they are having fun dealing with. Manaan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sienge Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 This has always bugged me, as well. Nothing says "fun" like being stunned for 18 strait seconds. Or being stunned, break it, and immediately being restunned. I've been playing since beta, and the npc cc abilities in this game has always been my complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted January 30, 2015 Author Share Posted January 30, 2015 Manaan? Yes, Manaan is one of the top offenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 This has always bugged me, as well. Nothing says "fun" like being stunned for 18 strait seconds. Or being stunned, break it, and immediately being restunned. I've been playing since beta, and the npc cc abilities in this game has always been my complaint. Exactly! It doesn't make the game more difficult in most cases, it is just not fun gameplay. Its one of those things that really makes you wonder if the devs do actually play this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Tanking HM Korriban Incursion just now, my group just wiped because a gold mob literally chain stunned me for over 10 seconds and the rest of the pack killed everyone. And my CC breaker was already used up since the previous group had a gold mob that tried to chain stun me as well. Please tell me how this is fun or interesting game play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sienge Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 It's not at all fun or interesting. How this problem has perforated this game for so long boggles the mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excise Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Preach on, man. I don't understand how a developer, when deciding what powers a mob should have, says "Yeah, let's give it a lot of stuns. It's great gameplay that players love." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 It's not at all fun or interesting. How this problem has perforated this game for so long boggles the mind. I have defended them for years, but this kinda thing continuing to pervade the game speaks either of gross incompetence in mob design or they just do not play their own game at all. Or both. How can they possibly think this is fun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heat-Wave Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I have defended them for years, but this kinda thing continuing to pervade the game speaks either of gross incompetence in mob design or they just do not play their own game at all. Or both. How can they possibly think this is fun? I suspect a lot of devs work on their part of the game and don't spend enough time actually playing, double that for an ongoing game like a MMO. Watching the streams, it is clear the community team doesn't really play the game, they are generally terrible at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unibek Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 This became a huge issue for me with the release of SoR. The Revan fight alone is an absolute pain in the ***, but so are the numerous mobs with huge knock backs. I think it really is too much. I usually try to send in my companion first to eat whatever knock backs I can anticipate, but that's not always viable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sienge Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I can understand knockbacks and stuns in pvp and boss fights in pve (with the occasional from a weaker npc). And I completely agree on the Revan fight. Can't get a single rotation out without being stunned for 9 strait seconds. And using a tank companion doesn't help, because aggro doesn't seem to work correctly on him. And no, dropping aggro doesn't help much either. If he did cc less often it'd be fine, but doing it every 10 seconds is beyond frustrating. Frankly, once all of my companions are geared up I'm never doing that piece of crap fight again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icebergy Posted February 12, 2015 Author Share Posted February 12, 2015 This became a huge issue for me with the release of SoR. The Revan fight alone is an absolute pain in the ***, but so are the numerous mobs with huge knock backs. I think it really is too much. I usually try to send in my companion first to eat whatever knock backs I can anticipate, but that's not always viable. Its not even that I mind the mobs having them while fighting out in the open world, its when they design FP/Op trash groups with 6+ stuns/knockbacks that really make me want to quit playing a tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adproduction Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Its not even that I mind the mobs having them while fighting out in the open world, its when they design FP/Op trash groups with 6+ stuns/knockbacks that really make me want to quit playing a tank. One of the biggest reason why pvp was broke and why a lot of people left this game was the unresolved CC issues. I say again, ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS. Basically the game is like WoW was before they put in the diminish returns on CCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sienge Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Pvp CC in this game is no worse than other games (although I still don't like it. CC is part of the reason I don't pvp.) Having said that, still not fun in pve, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djiini Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I can understand knockbacks and stuns in pvp and boss fights in pve (with the occasional from a weaker npc). And I completely agree on the Revan fight. Can't get a single rotation out without being stunned for 9 strait seconds. And using a tank companion doesn't help, because aggro doesn't seem to work correctly on him. And no, dropping aggro doesn't help much either. If he did cc less often it'd be fine, but doing it every 10 seconds is beyond frustrating. Frankly, once all of my companions are geared up I'm never doing that piece of crap fight again. ...Revan's Saber Throw Stun is interruptible in the solo fight, you realize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canmore Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 /signed I enjoy some of the interesting attacks used by mobs, but I quickly grow tired of watch my prone character get bludgeoned. Remember the old days when games used resistance rolls or saving throws? Yeah, I miss those days. The level mechanics in this game are so generalized they almost suffocate at times. they abandoned a modified DnD rule set for this game sadly. it worked just fine for kotor and kotor2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adproduction Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 They need to give healers cleanse moves to use on other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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