2.5 everyone gets buffed, except... YOU!

[Telos]

Are we in that good of a place right now? How will we perform after 2.5 hits?

[Alec_Fortescue]

Guardians/Jugs aren't getting buffed. ;p Edited October 18, 2013 by Alec_Fortescue

[TorvinAugeri]

Vigilance/Vengeance Guardians/Juggernauts are getting buffed?

 

Scrapper/Concealment Scoundrels/Operatives are getting buffed?

 

Commandos/Mercenaries are getting buffed?

 

Excuse me?

 

 

P.S. You are getting "buffed", it's called Quick Shot/Overload Shot.

Imperial Agent

 

General

•Increased the damage dealt by Overload Shot.

 

Enjoy.

Edited October 18, 2013 by TorvinAugeri

[Telos]

Jugg got a supremely sweet pvp buff.

 

Does anyone even use overload shot?

[paowee]

Yes PVE wise we are

[TACeMossie]

Hey, this isn't the Bounty Hunter/Trooper subforums!

[Arenatah]

Sorc buffs are negligible lol. It was a QoL change.

IMHO snipers are in a good place. They are parsing well, they pvp well. Not sure what else we need, lol.

[Lexxiu]

I would like to see that uncleansable dots on my lethality sniper!!!

[mattycutts]

snipers are in a ok place right now BUT in arenas snipers are weak compared to most other specs/classes.

 

i wud love my dots to be uncleansible BUT it wud make us op for sure and every sniper wud go lethality spec for pvp.

 

as for overload alot of snipers hardly use it due to hi cost unless your engineering spec its free ofc.

[Ashuranrx]

I thought the Devs said that Orbital Strike will be nerfed. And Lethality will get some buff on Series of Shots and Snipe, so that there is more incentive to use these abilities more often.

 

*** happened?

[AMightyKnight]

 

*** happened?

Devs found out their Boss is playing a Sniper. So they buffed the class which currently does 4k dps on the dummy.

[PhilD]

Jugg got a supremely sweet pvp buff.

 

Does anyone even use overload shot?

 

I do! At least in PvE, and sometimes PvP, Explosive Probe + Overload Shot can be a hilariously high burst. If nothing else it's funny to watch the yellow number pop up.

[paowee]

Devs found out their Boss is playing a Sniper. So they buffed the class which currently does 4k dps on the dummy.

 

Which will never work, as intended in HM and i'm sure NiM DF and DP. Rhuarc who consistently plays Engineering in Operations is doing the jump-in-place trick, something BW will remove in a future patch. The only large size boss in DF is Grob'thok and Nefra and there are no large size bosses in DP. Add fights like Draxus and Bestia, one can argue would be good as Engineering but i'm pretty sure Lethality and MM will do better if not more because there aren't a lot of add spawns in those fights anyways.

[ZipZep]

I hear PvE wise, we are the strongest, but cant comment as i pretty much never go Operations.

For PvP I would say we are maybe the most balanced class around. Therefore it makes sense we are not getting much attention in 2.5.

 

Been running 2x sniper setups and 1 sniper + Carnage in arena's and its extremely deadly.

Most fun so far is 1 MM sniper and 1 (me) playing 3/16/27. So much pressure from DoT's combined with the freakishly high burst from MM. We are squishy yes, but agianst marauders, which is on pretty much every team, we simply have to many ways to escape.

 

Only setup that we have had problems with is OP heal, PT skank tank, PT dps and Carnage marauder. Simply because we cant root and knock back the PT's due to hydrolics which ****s us up.

 

To sum up, im happy with my sniper and very understanding if we dont see alot (if any) changes next patch.

Purely from a PvP perspective.

[BaineOs]

and every sniper wud go lethality spec for pvp.

.....you sure about that one dude?

 

Edit: btw Whasp, when's yer next pvp vid coming out?

Edited October 18, 2013 by BaineOs

[ArenCordial]

I wonder if the dev team is thinking about doing something similar to Ballistic Shield as they did with Bloodthirst. Have a lockout so people won't just stack Snipers. Though frankly I don't think that's will be the case, because lets be honest the class isn't taken because of the Shield. Still I can't help but wonder if the Marauder changes highlight the future for us.

[wojtekimiolczyk]

There are only 2 changes i would like to be made and then my sniper would be perfect:

 

1. Laze target, this cd is pretty much useless.

2. Ambush proc reverted to prior 2.0, slight boost for pvp but no change for pve (ppl can use the rotation which currently is used).

 

Those changes are for MM because i don't play any other spec.

 

Whasp <3

[Baalzamon]

We dont need any buffs.

[Torgru]

There are only 2 changes i would like to be made and then my sniper would be perfect:

 

1. Laze target, this cd is pretty much useless.

2. Ambush proc reverted to prior 2.0, slight boost for pvp but no change for pve (ppl can use the rotation which currently is used).

 

Those changes are for MM because i don't play any other spec.

 

Whasp <3

 

What?... As MM, Snipe is a regular part of your rotation. Is it as awesome a cooldown as say TA, or Recklessness for inq? No. But, it's something that's used on cooldown, because it is a dps increase. Even as Lethality, I use it on cooldown, unless I somehow make myself energy starved.

[wojtekimiolczyk]

What?... As MM, Snipe is a regular part of your rotation. Is it as awesome a cooldown as say TA, or Recklessness for inq? No. But, it's something that's used on cooldown, because it is a dps increase. Even as Lethality, I use it on cooldown, unless I somehow make myself energy starved.

 

I'm telling that it's useless as a MM sniper only becaue of it's function, let's say snipe crits (and it would crit even without the buff) the buff gets eaten by the snipe which makes this cd used without the need for it.

 

I would change it like that: U use the cd the buff pops on ur buff bar and u fire snipe if it is a crit (because of ur crit chance, not because of the buff) the buff isn't used. That's my only problem for this cd, it gets eaten even if it doesn't have to be, which makes it a waste.

[Tamanous]

When will people figure out that change does not equal buffs.

 

Just look at the DPS Operative players. They have been crying for buffs since their first round of nerfs soon after launch. They continue to get instead "changes". Each and every class balance patch they continue to get "nerfed" with changes nobody asked for.

 

The absolute best thing that can happen to sniper is that Bioware continues to think they don't need "change". Despite what people may think, snipers are NOT Jedi or Sith. If they get nerfed hard they will never return to glory just like dps operatives will never return to glory. If a precious force user gets nerfed, rest assured you will be returned to glory in short course.

 

Let us ride the wave of a decent class right now because if snipers fall from grace from future idiotic Bioware changes similar to what DPS Ops suffer through, there will be no hope of return.

[Kaos_KidSWTOR]

There are only 2 changes i would like to be made and then my sniper would be perfect:

 

1. Laze target, this cd is pretty much useless.

2. Ambush proc reverted to prior 2.0, slight boost for pvp but no change for pve (ppl can use the rotation which currently is used).

 

Those changes are for MM because i don't play any other spec.

 

Whasp <3

 

But, what if your rotation was like this

 

Laze Target > Orbital Strike > Cover > Shatter Shot > Snipe > FT > Snipe > Snipe > FT > Ambush > FT > Shatter Shot > SoS > FT > SV > SoS > FT

 

Didnt Zeroing Shots need a Crit from snipe or SoS for the proc? Why not make it 1 snipe or 1 SoS (full Channel) proc 1 stack of Zeroing Shots?

 

I will say Laze Target is pretty useless, i would like to see a CD reducer for Laze Target in MM since Snipe IS used 3 times in it's rotation. That though would put Snipers even higher above Marauders, Sorcs, and Mercs ( i dont count Sin and PT DPS because they both suck.)

[wojtekimiolczyk]

But, what if your rotation was like this

 

Laze Target > Orbital Strike > Cover > Shatter Shot > Snipe > FT > Snipe > Snipe > FT > Ambush > FT > Shatter Shot > SoS > FT > SV > SoS > FT

 

Didnt Zeroing Shots need a Crit from snipe or SoS for the proc? Why not make it 1 snipe or 1 SoS (full Channel) proc 1 stack of Zeroing Shots?

 

I will say Laze Target is pretty useless, i would like to see a CD reducer for Laze Target in MM since Snipe IS used 3 times in it's rotation. That though would put Snipers even higher above Marauders, Sorcs, and Mercs ( i dont count Sin and PT DPS because they both suck.)

 

About the zeroing shots i said it's a pvp buff because when in pvp arena u got time for that rotation? I think never. And when in a sos u didn't get a 1 crit? Never. This would be a good buff for pvp and nothing would change for pve.

[Kaos_KidSWTOR]

About the zeroing shots i said it's a pvp buff because when in pvp arena u got time for that rotation? I think never. And when in a sos u didn't get a 1 crit? Never. This would be a good buff for pvp and nothing would change for pve.

 

But, if your playing a MM sniper, you have to follow a set rotation. and so far, i have been able to follow my rotation pretty easy in PvP Warzones and Arenas.

[Tougod]

Everyone says that Snipers are a well balanced class, but while we can put out good damage, our surviveability is lacking imo. I'm currently a Lethality Spec on my main, and I am ALWAYS the first one targeted and I usually die within 4-5 seconds, just enough to throw up my defensive CD's, use covered escape (when it works and doesn't keep me in place), and get off maybe one attack. My nickname in most arena's is 'bait', as we all know they'll go for me first. Sometimes I am able to get away and do my damage, but 9/10 times, I get locked down, usually by Assassins/Shadows and killed hard and fast.

 

I've been hearing rumors that they will be nerfing us in an upcoming patch or expansion, along with Operative healers. The one thing that I'd give anything for is a defensive CD along the lines of Force Camoflage of the Marauders. Give us a short term stealth to let us get out of danger and re-position ourselves. Not a buff, just something to let us survive just a little bit longer.