Lovethebeard Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Thanks to the removal of 8v8 ranked, this will be a regular occurrence when guilds get burned out of Arenas for the day. Premades are already an issue to pugs, indeed - but its gonna get a lot worse with 8v8 ranked gone, i can see it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow-scale Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Ebon Hawk doesnt do ranked so this isnt rly much of a change:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeraz Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This is a pretty shameless attempt to try to create anger to help your "cause." The truth is that 4v4 Arena queues are probably going to reduce(not eliminate) the amount of premades in the general queue. Additionally, very competitive players will also be playing solo-ranked queues more often. The end result will likely create a lower gear cap and lower skill capped general queue. Casual players will have less to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enhancer Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This post reminds me of when my daughter's soccer coach and his friends challenged the team pointing out they were going to "show them how it's done." Thirty year old dad coaches threatening a team of 8 year olds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NogueiraA Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 If you have 2+ people in your group you should not be able to press "Queue SOLO". Only queue for ranked arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxmob Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This post reminds me of when my daughter's soccer coach and his friends challenged the team pointing out they were going to "show them how it's done." Thirty year old dad coaches threatening a team of 8 year olds. did they win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoTomorrow Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This is a pretty shameless attempt to try to create anger to help your "cause." The truth is that 4v4 Arena queues are probably going to reduce(not eliminate) the amount of premades in the general queue. Additionally, very competitive players will also be playing solo-ranked queues more often. The end result will likely create a lower gear cap and lower skill capped general queue. Casual players will have less to worry about. this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyarc Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This was my first concern when I saw info about removal 8v8 ranked. At the beginning, majority will jump to arenas for sure. But simple deathmatch with always the same scenario (separate tank from healer, burn them down, kill the rest) will get old much sooner than objective-based games for bigger team. I am glad the arenas are coming, but lets look at it realistically in longer time view after initial hype fades away.- it may get boring pretty soon for skilled teams- it may get frustrating for causal pvp player very fast (imagine weekend pvp player with healer. How long is he going to enjoy being hammered like there is no tomorrow. This time no chance someone will overlook him healing and not marking him, no other healer to help him out... Just an example)- many players are left behind with current class balance situation. (Yes it is always about who is sitting behind the keyboard, but there are some limits. Therefore some may end up not queuing because not wanting to harm the team, some will be simply not wanted into premades)At the end a lot of people will end up again in normal warzones, but this time also with half premades from previously ranked team, who are doing their weekly, have enough of deathmatch and so on and so on. For normal pugs, it will make life actually worse. I don't want to be negative here, it is great that some PvP update is coming. But not everything is going to be rainbows and kittens and removal of ranked 8v8 at current state is a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovethebeard Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 This is a pretty shameless attempt to try to create anger to help your "cause." The truth is that 4v4 Arena queues are probably going to reduce(not eliminate) the amount of premades in the general queue. Additionally, very competitive players will also be playing solo-ranked queues more often. The end result will likely create a lower gear cap and lower skill capped general queue. Casual players will have less to worry about. I don't see any mad people. I'm just saying solo queue or group queue, either way they are going to burn out very easy in a short amount of time. Keep ranked 8v8 and elite pre-made queues will be close to nothing, why remove something that's not broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovethebeard Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 This was my first concern when I saw info about removal 8v8 ranked. At the beginning, majority will jump to arenas for sure. But simple deathmatch with always the same scenario (separate tank from healer, burn them down, kill the rest) will get old much sooner than objective-based games for bigger team. I am glad the arenas are coming, but lets look at it realistically in longer time view after initial hype fades away. - it may get boring pretty soon for skilled teams - it may get frustrating for causal pvp player very fast (imagine weekend pvp player with healer. How long is he going to enjoy being hammered like there is no tomorrow. This time no chance someone will overlook him healing and not marking him, no other healer to help him out... Just an example) - many players are left behind with current class balance situation. (Yes it is always about who is sitting behind the keyboard, but there are some limits. Therefore some may end up not queuing because not wanting to harm the team, some will be simply not wanted into premades) At the end a lot of people will end up again in normal warzones, but this time also with half premades from previously ranked team, who are doing their weekly, have enough of deathmatch and so on and so on. For normal pugs, it will make life actually worse. I don't want to be negative here, it is great that some PvP update is coming. But not everything is going to be rainbows and kittens and removal of ranked 8v8 at current state is a mistake. now ^ this ladies and gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duigha Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This was my first concern when I saw info about removal 8v8 ranked. At the beginning, majority will jump to arenas for sure. But simple deathmatch with always the same scenario (separate tank from healer, burn them down, kill the rest) will get old much sooner than objective-based games for bigger team. I am glad the arenas are coming, but lets look at it realistically in longer time view after initial hype fades away. - it may get boring pretty soon for skilled teams - it may get frustrating for causal pvp player very fast (imagine weekend pvp player with healer. How long is he going to enjoy being hammered like there is no tomorrow. This time no chance someone will overlook him healing and not marking him, no other healer to help him out... Just an example) - many players are left behind with current class balance situation. (Yes it is always about who is sitting behind the keyboard, but there are some limits. Therefore some may end up not queuing because not wanting to harm the team, some will be simply not wanted into premades) At the end a lot of people will end up again in normal warzones, but this time also with half premades from previously ranked team, who are doing their weekly, have enough of deathmatch and so on and so on. For normal pugs, it will make life actually worse. I don't want to be negative here, it is great that some PvP update is coming. But not everything is going to be rainbows and kittens and removal of ranked 8v8 at current state is a mistake. Sounds reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briljin Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 No one cares. If they are bothered by PUG vs premade, they can just leave and re-queue. You are trying to hard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technohic Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I'm not sure that you will make 8 man warzones very often queuing as a group of 4. You basically are just making it very easy for the system to throw you into a non-ranked arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToMyMa Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 did they win? Nope, they got their asses handed to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prisoner Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) Thanks to the removal of 8v8 ranked, this will be a regular occurrence when guilds get burned out of Arenas for the day. Premades are already an issue to pugs, indeed - but its gonna get a lot worse with 8v8 ranked gone, i can see it now. And how is this a big deal on the Ebon Hawk again? Pugging is already godawful painful since server transfers drained the vast majority of the talent to servers like Pot5. It's so bad now that having a few more premades in regs isn't going to ruin what's already absolutely terrible. Besides, aren't you guys only playing ranked on Mon & Wed night anyways? I'm guessing that you don't sit on your hands the other five nights of the week and never queue as groups for pvp. Don't get me wrong. I think it's silly of them to pull ranked games, but you won't be ruining regs on the Ebon Hawk because regs are so terrbad right now. Edited August 20, 2013 by Prisoner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satedbuffalo Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Honestly, if you guys ran more premades, queue quality would increase marginally. Either y'all win in a landslide (fast victory/loss - requeue), y'all hit another premade (long, balanced game - requeue), or y'all get stymied by a PUG (hilarious, long game - requeue). Unfortunately, you -are- recruiting a ton of talent (combined w/ the growing dissatisfaction with PvP on the server), so I imagine it's hard to hit another premade, these days. I hope arena queues eliminate that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladnar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Thanks to the removal of 8v8 ranked, this will be a regular occurrence when guilds get burned out of Arenas for the day. Premades are already an issue to pugs, indeed - but its gonna get a lot worse with 8v8 ranked gone, i can see it now. Isn't there to be a ranked arena? Theres been so many teams in pugs for so long who cares? Be so many playing pvp you'll be scattered to the 4 corners my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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