Call me greedy...entitled.. all you want..

[WookieIsshe]

Cartel Coins can be used by anyone. This isn't subscriber exclusive. I was expecting to get something that would be exclusive for subscribers, such as a new mount, an item perhaps, but nope, they decide to give us 500 cartel coins, 100 less than I get each month for subscribing to the game.

 

This game is turning into a damn shop.

 

 

 

Yeah, because you tricked us into saying we'd get something about "4th of July" but you never actually made anything so you thought "Quick quick we need to make them feel appreciated give them 500 cartel coins!!"

 

Essentially what you gave us was a gift card because you couldn't be bothered to make a present. You basically just gave me a gift card to a shop that I never use. Bruce's response in this thread shows exactly why they gave us a gift card.

I was expecting something exclusive for subscribers. I'm so sorry if you can't understand that.

 

This is just another incentive to get more subscribers to put money into buying more cartel coins.

 

 

 

 

Here's my message to you Bioware. Give subscribers something unique, make me and many other subscribers feel appreciated for subscribing. Like I said, cartel coins can be used by anyone, people give you like $50 a week in cartel coins and you're rewarding them by putting more items on the cartel market. But what about subscribers? Have you forgotten about them? Its like you're treating subs as second class... So GIVE us something to make us feel appreciated, something that only subscribers can have/use.

 

Very disappointing for me Bioware. Anyway, better put on my flame suit, the defenders are coming!

 

Surprise.. Surprise another negative post by you. I swear you hate this game with a passion so my question to you is why do you keep subbing to a game you obviously hate? You ever heard the phrase a fool and his/her money will soon be parted and if the shoe fits, wear it?

Edited July 9, 2013 by WookieIsshe

[spectreclees]

You have to understand that just because someone doesnt like one aspect of a game doesn't mean they hate everything else.

 

And tbh, if this game wasn't star wars, wasnt bioware, it would have shut down within 6 months of release.

 

The only reason I cant play any other MMO is because theyre mostly fantasy with swords and shields, all the same.

 

Well... there's Eve Online.

 

Friend keeps trying to get me to play it but it's just so not my tastes. It's basically an economy game. Last time I played, it basically played itself once I learned the commands.

[xorcist]

What JPryde said.

 

Reminds me of one time when I told my wife I had a present for her, and she got all excited. When she saw it was just a movie DvD she couldn't hide her disappointment and said in disbelief 'THAT'S MY PRESENT?!' I would have been better off not announcing the present in advance, or just giving her a gift card with funds on it instead.

 

So it's ok to give subscribers a one time "gift" which in fact makes everything alright? What about next month, or the month after that. That does not make me feel my subscription is appreciated. I let my subscription run out a few weeks back and resubscribed again this weekend. Before that I was a subscriber since the beginning. Did I miss the bonus Cartel Coins for subscribers? Don't answer that... Because I don't give a ****. If you thought this was a satisfactory solution think again. Because now we go on every month again with no strong reason to subscribe. At least most will. The outcry was for a permanent change to what our monthly subscription offered. Why? Because it no longer holds any meaning if you keep charging real money or Cartel Coins to subscribers for things you clearly should not be. Its an insult and quite frankly I'm amazed you people had the balls to present that to us as the solution to end all solutions. A one time gift of BS, wow!

[astrobearx]

So it's ok to give subscribers a one time "gift" which in fact makes everything alright? What about next month, or the month after that. That does not make me feel my subscription is appreciated. I let my subscription run out a few weeks back and resubscribed again this weekend. Before that I was a subscriber since the beginning. Did I miss the bonus Cartel Coins for subscribers? Don't answer that... Because I don't give a ****. If you thought this was a satisfactory solution think again. Because now we go on every month again with no strong reason to subscribe. At least most will. The outcry was for a permanent change to what our monthly subscription offered. Why? Because it no longer holds any meaning if you keep charging real money or Cartel Coins to subscribers for things you clearly should not be. Its an insult and quite frankly I'm amazed you people had the balls to present that to us as the solution to end all solutions. A one time gift of BS, wow!

 

[ElitehunterDS]

You have to understand that just because someone doesnt like one aspect of a game doesn't mean they hate everything else.

 

And tbh, if this game wasn't star wars, wasnt bioware, it would have shut down within 6 months of release.

 

The only reason I cant play any other MMO is because theyre mostly fantasy with swords and shields, all the same.

 

it unofficially did in may 2012 until august 2012, unless you were on the few servers that were fine..

Never got my money back out of those lonely months and even got spit in the face after that by Bioware.

[WookieIsshe]

it unofficially did in may 2012 until august 2012, unless you were on the few servers that were fine..

Never got my money back out of those lonely months and even got spit in the face after that by Bioware.

 

Yet you continue to give money to Bioware/EA to continue to spit in your face. You and the OP are either both just trolling or you like paying for stuff you both hate.

[Tsillah]

What JPryde said.

 

Reminds me of one time when I told my wife I had a present for her, and she got all excited. When she saw it was just a movie DvD she couldn't hide her disappointment and said in disbelief 'THAT'S MY PRESENT?!' I would have been better off not announcing the present in advance, or just giving her a gift card with funds on it instead.

 

To be honest, this just shows an inherent flaw in the game as it is set up now.

 

Jpryde's example talks about someone who is saving up or working towards something. Getting cartel coins does not equate to that. Why not? Because the items in the cartel shop, for good reason, are not a big deal. Most of the stuff can be bought from the GTN if you don't have cash to spend on cartel coins and so you can save in game for it. And I would think that specifically the people who can afford a sub, are not the ones that are helped most with extra cartel coins.

 

Now it is a nice gesture, but also don't promise A and give B. It's a gesture perhaps but when you use a term like appreciation, other games have gone that way before and given much more. Things like veteran programs come to mind. Perhaps you feel people got spoiled in other games but this is what you have to compete with. And if you don't meet even a certain benchmark, there will be disappointment.

 

So why do I say there is an inherent problem in the game as it is that relates to this? Well, other than getting the best mods in your gear, there really isn't much to work towards in this game. Sure there are achievements and reputation, but hey, these cartel coins won't help you there either. Other people want to beat the highest level difficulty. The cartel coins don't really help there either.

 

Now, I do appreciate the gift and so I disagree with the OP, but yes, it would've been better to just let it be a surprise and not give it a label like appreciation. That can only lead to disappointment for people who have played other MMOs before. As you see in this thread, some people are happy with it and I certainly don't mind the 500 cc, but the amount is low enough also that it requires more cc to do anything significant with it. And I think a lot of people sense that too. So it's also a marketing strategy to get people to buy more cc. When you play with a double agenda that way, even if unintended, some people will not feel appreciated.

 

Bottom line, I think by itself the gift of 500 cc can be seen as a nice gesture and we certainly can be grateful for it, but if you want to stick it under the label of sub appreciation, I think it's safe to state that many other MMOs have done a better job at thatt and that's why I think there is such a lively discussion about this.

[Drake_Hound]

This is the core issue right here. A half a million subscribers.. all with different interests, tastes, etc. No way to please them with any single selected gift. Evidence the whining and crying about every free gift or incentive item in the game since launch. Evidence the 500CCs right this instant.

 

But the CC coin approach IS an appreciation gift and it does give the most players the most freedom of choice as to what they would like to turn that appreciation into in terms of digital content.

 

And seriously folks... some of you act like any subscriber gift in this game = real life gifts. IT'S ALL DIGITAL CONTENT. You can't take it with you when you leave, and you can't use it to barter for Cheetos and donuts either. It's not real. You are melting down over virtual content. Can you get anymore petty?

 

 

Usually I agree with what you are saying , but you can't have it both ways , a bit like cut the cake then not eat it .

Sorry 500 CC didn't mean anything to me , cause I have 5k CC that I don't use .

 

Now back to the point , you cannot tell customers who invest yearly billions of dollar , it is just virtual things .

They should not get attached to it ! , cause that is the same as me telling people life is a illusion so make the best of it while you can , and then just F it all .

 

Sorry it is Bioware/EA job to atleast create substance in the virtual meaning less junk !

So it is there job to create attachment to the so called "investments" , this is the problem SWTOR faced from the start .

 

This it the problem of modern day failing of marketing .

You cannot tell the truth cause our life is based on lies , so failing to maintain the lies .

Cause they don't understand the lies , sub has right to something , introduce a veteran program !

this also solves the issues with a lot of things like income a month , loyalty giving the DEV a bigger bargain room with the cooperate dealings .

 

A lot of people would stay sub , even if they are not playing for longer , if they know there is still "virtual" progress .

In the end a virtual world is the same as real world , aslong there is some sense of progress .

Even if the end it is all useless .

[JPryde]

Sorry 500 CC didn't mean anything to me , cause I have 5k CC that I don't use .

I can fully understand, that getting another 500 cc on top of your unused 5000 cc does not mean anything to you.

 

Then again, if I had gotten another speeder, it would have been my 20th or more... and as such, I would maybe have said "this speeder means nothing to me, cause I already have a whole carpool that I don't use". The same goes for a fancy pet.

 

There is another thread going, which is asking for constructive examples what actually would have made you feel apreciated. But why not say it here.

 

I have seen a bunch of "that was lame" posts, but I must have missed the posts, that were giving some example of what would have been needed as this free gift, that people had not complained about it.

 

So can you elaborate a bit on what Bioware could have done to prevent this thread from happening?

Edited July 9, 2013 by JPryde

[Alavastre]

Let's be honest, wasn't the problem to begin with 2.1? That is what made subs angry. It was a total CM update.

 

So they show appreciation by giving us coins in the very system that made the problem.

 

And let's be honest, BW giving us 500CC is like the Federal Reserve giving us all 100 bucks. Not that big of a deal when you create the money supply. Just numbers in a computer. I don't want CC, I want content. That would make me feel appreciated becuase I put money on a collectors edition, played through the bad times and F2P. Bought Makeb. Spent money on the CM. It's rapidly becoming not enough.

 

Where is the future heading for this game? Recurring events and an endless grind for rep? Still waiting for plans on expanding the game beyond what 2.4 brings. Please don't tell me to unsubscribe, I did that yesterday. But I got until late August to jump around these boards.

[Drake_Hound]

I can fully understand, that getting another 500 cc on top of your unused 5000 cc does not mean anything to you.

 

Then again, if I had gotten another speeder, it would have been my 20th or more... and as such, I would maybe have said "this speeder means nothing to me, cause I already have a whole carpool that I don't use". The same goes for a fancy pet.

 

There is another thread going, which is asking for constructive examples what actually would have made you feel apreciated. But why not say it here.

 

I have seen a bunch of "that was lame" posts, but I must have missed the posts, that were giving some example of what would have been needed as this free gift, that people had not complained about it.

 

So can you elaborate a bit on what Bioware could have done to prevent this thread from happening?

 

Here example of veteran rewards , one month sub additonal 5% extra xp .

three month sub one cartel weapon or clothing of your choice From the cartel legacy (one time use )

6 month sub additonal 10 stats on all toons

12 month sub access to the VIP vendor ( 24 month access to the collectors edition vendor , riot or not !)

ETC ETC , make something people look forward too , that all can achieve if they stay subbed .

Toss in the speeders the CC coins etc as filler if needed make something special for every 3 month sub ,

That entices all the gamers .

 

Don't get me wrong I love this game , but If they given me a exclusief dye , how meaningless it was .

Would have beaten CC , cause now it just feels like a bribe !

Sorry I ain't playing this game currently , but 500 free CC didn't make me jump to log in right away .

Gave me a free dye might have sparked unterest , how would it look on some of my sets !

 

See you can even make rewards for prefered to make them resub , like 1 year sub access to mail boxes .

It is not the money that troubles a lot of people , it is the lack of appreciation .

The lack of we are thankfull for keeping people entertained , in the end in every MMO , it isn't the ******s who make people feel good , it is the special people .

Same like real life without celebirties , drama , politicians , socialising , sport , what the heck are we doing ?

Work till we are dead ?

[Bomyne]

What JPryde said.

 

Reminds me of one time when I told my wife I had a present for her, and she got all excited. When she saw it was just a movie DvD she couldn't hide her disappointment and said in disbelief 'THAT'S MY PRESENT?!' I would have been better off not announcing the present in advance, or just giving her a gift card with funds on it instead.

 

I've always feel that giving someone money or a gift card means the gift is impersonal.

[JPryde]

Here example of veteran rewards , one month sub additonal 5% extra xp .

three month sub one cartel weapon or clothing of your choice From the cartel legacy (one time use )

6 month sub additonal 10 stats on all toons

12 month sub access to the VIP vendor ( 24 month access to the collectors edition vendor , riot or not !)

ETC ETC , make something people look forward too , that all can achieve if they stay subbed .

Toss in the speeders the CC coins etc as filler if needed make something special for every 3 month sub ,

That entices all the gamers .

And you really believe, that this list would have prevented this thread? (in its core, not in its words obviously).

 

Okay, here goes...

VIPs would complain about having spend 1 Million credits for VIP access or having paid for DDE to gain the VIP status.

CEs would complain, that their unique vendor access (how silly and useless it is) would be practically given to everyone.

Players of all kind would run havoc for that "10 stats" thing.

 

Also I am a bit surprised to see a celebration gift that was pretty close to 4th of July suddenly be turned into a whole veteran program.

 

I can understand the desire for a veteran program (the one of SWG was the best I have ever seen), but I really do not see the connection to a one time gift.

 

I cannot be sure, but I believe, that this thread would still be there, regardless of what Bioware had given us. Even if all subscribers had gotten a free month of playtime (they did that once in the past before), people would still call it not apreciating their customers.

[Drake_Hound]

And you really believe, that this list would have prevented this thread? (in its core, not in its words obviously).

 

Okay, here goes...

VIPs would complain about having spend 1 Million credits for VIP access or having paid for DDE to gain the VIP status.

CEs would complain, that their unique vendor access (how silly and useless it is) would be practically given to everyone.

Players of all kind would run havoc for that "10 stats" thing.

 

Also I am a bit surprised to see a celebration gift that was pretty close to 4th of July suddenly be turned into a whole veteran program.

 

I can understand the desire for a veteran program (the one of SWG was the best I have ever seen), but I really do not see the connection to a one time gift.

 

I cannot be sure, but I believe, that this thread would still be there, regardless of what Bioware had given us. Even if all subscribers had gotten a free month of playtime (they did that once in the past before), people would still call it not apreciating their customers.

 

So basically lets do nothing but incite a feeling of disgust , says it all .

that is running rampant since the start of the game .

Lets not be innovative , lets not be creative , lets just damage control and milk out the subs and clientele .

 

Well to the DEV and people working on the project , you are not milking anything but your own job .

Cooperate work very simple profit margin reached , that becomes the standard for next annual inspection .

Loyal Longterm customers lost , you will not regain , you can regain those "I am happy now" or beter put swingers .

 

But then again those swingers don't care if people lose there jobs or project is stale .

they are happy either way with more CC to gamble . That market is already taken nowadays .

 

you want to innovate discuss rethink and come up with a solution , moaners will be moaners .

But 500 CC , you could have kept it , 15$ a month buys more then 500 CC

[JPryde]

No, by all means, demand creativity, demand novelty, demand veteran rewards.

 

But at the same time, also accept it, when you get something for free, which was easy to do, instead of spitting at Bioware for giving us at least something for free. You do not even need to say "thanks" for a free gift, I wouldn't ask for that, as some people would rather bite their own tongue off, before they actually say "thanks".

Edited July 9, 2013 by JPryde

[Drake_Hound]

No, by all means, demand creativity, demand novelty, demand veteran rewards.

 

But at the same time, also accept it, when you get something for free, which was easy to do, instead of spitting at Bioware for giving us at least something for free. You do not even need to say "thanks" for a free gift, I wouldn't ask for that, as some people would rather bite their own tongue off, before they actually say "thanks".

 

500 CC is meaningless to me , so in your case if they given you a speeder, you should thank them ?

Well speeder was meaningless to me too, but atleast it feelt like they did some effort !

 

But just giving 500 CC as appreciation , to me means ok lets be lazy .

Here have a bribe cause we don't have a clue , we don't have the means ... But we want to thank you loyal supporters somehow .

Sorry after putting those story things into CC market packs, they do have the means !

So did our appreciation went into the next CC pack again ?

[Amaranth]

So can you elaborate a bit on what Bioware could have done to prevent this thread from happening?

 

As someone else mentioned, veteran rewards would be a pretty awesome thing in my book. Something similar to EQ2 or SWG, only more frequent. For example, I'd like to see a different reward given for every 3 months that a person is subscribed. Rewards could be anything from titles, to special appearance gear, to mounts, to XP boosts for alts - really anything that could be considered a cosmetic or convenience item. And if someone doesn't like a particular reward, they could instead choose some number of free CCs.

 

The key thing for me is that these should be items that are only available to loyal subscribers, and not purchasable in the CM. It's not altogether different from the pre-order gifts that we had, so it's not like this is something that should shock people.

 

And before people say "what about F2Pers who spend money"? Honestly I'd be alright with doing something similar for them. For example, spend $45 lifetime and get something similar to a 3 month reward; spend $90 lifetime and get something similar to a 6 month reward.

[Drake_Hound]

here credit where credit belongs , collectors edition vendor gotten the black yellow dye and the joker dye , see how much people appreciate it ? And thank them for it !

 

They could have put 500 cc for collectors edition , would that have made me more happy ?

No it would just caused another moan and uproar .

CC is not much more then a currency to most gamers , same as credit .

CC is not enjoyment put into this game or the right payoff .

Want to see customers work grind or enjoy , it cannot be valued in currency ,

Cause the currency is meaningless for entertainement value ..

that the currency can be traded in for gimmicks or vanity is not the point .

 

it is a not appropiate gift , since currency relate to RL currency .

15$ a month doesn't equal 500 CC , a exclusive speeder weapon clothing whatever fluff .. Is priceless .

You can't put a value on exclusive stuff , even if all can have it in the end .

You sure can put a value on 500 CC .

 

Here some more items that are in the database the bowcaster and speeder from rakghoul event .

recycle them for vet program , those people that think it is unfair ? Too bad you got a newer generation or players who didn't had the chance to obtain it . That would made them happy !

Same as for my collectors edition vendor ! , I don't mind in the end , cause I won't be playing this game forever !

rather see the next gen have something if they worked or devoted there loyalty too .

[Nickious]

This isn't right. You guys should boycott by sending all of your 500 CCs to me. That'll show them you can't be bought. Send them to Cáde on Begeren Colony.

[Drake_Hound]

This isn't right. You guys should boycott by sending all of your 500 CCs to me. That'll show them you can't be bought. Send them to Cáde on Begeren Colony.

 

why do a crime , make you even more gamble addicted ?

Gee shame on you for spending your monthly allowance on fluff , you could work for

 

Bad bad boy , you should repent and buy unlocks for F2P players that are poor and selling themself !

 

Wait you probaly are selling yourself , so nvm

 

(in case you don't get it is just a joke)

[Drebs]

Your reasoning, as usual, makes no sense. In your deciding to play a game, you really should decide in this order:

 

1. DO I LIKE THE GAME and the gameplay.

2. Is it a theme or story or lore that I enjoy?

 

That is how most rational people operate.

 

If you have it on reverse then you really aren't making good decisions. Using the "it's the only Star Wars MMO I can play" is a lousy excuse when people ask you why you don't just leave.

 

See...the reality is you DO like it but can't bring yourself to admit it enough to say so. No rational person plays a game they don't like just because its Star Wars.

 

I'm still convinced we have a segment of the ex-SWG population trolling these forums. Its as if they got together when their game was being shut down and decided to ruin things as much as possible in the SWTOR community out of a twisted sense of vengeance.

[AlienEyeTX]

500 CC is meaningless to me , so in your case if they given you a speeder, you should thank them ?

Well speeder was meaningless to me too, but atleast it feelt like they did some effort !

 

But just giving 500 CC as appreciation , to me means ok lets be lazy .

Here have a bribe cause we don't have a clue , we don't have the means ... But we want to thank you loyal supporters somehow .

Sorry after putting those story things into CC market packs, they do have the means !

So did our appreciation went into the next CC pack again ?

 

What are you going on about? It takes just as little effort to send a speeder as to send cc. I'm happy to get something that I didn't have before. And this way I get to decide what I want with it. Much better than getting some random item that will not use and takes up a storage slot.

 

But I get the feeling that most of the complainers here are the type that would see money on the ground, pick it up, complain that it's $1 instead of $20, and then go ahead and stuff in the bill in their pocket.

[Alavastre]

No, by all means, demand creativity, demand novelty, demand veteran rewards.

 

But at the same time, also accept it, when you get something for free, which was easy to do, instead of spitting at Bioware for giving us at least something for free. You do not even need to say "thanks" for a free gift, I wouldn't ask for that, as some people would rather bite their own tongue off, before they actually say "thanks".

 

It's not free for subscribers! We pay for it in some way shape or form. They did not give us anything. They adjusted a number in a registry.

 

I'll say thanks when I like something, or when an appreciation gift makes me feel appreciated. I won't feel appreciated because you're cool with it. And this is coming for a long defender of this game.

[JPryde]

It's not free for subscribers!

How is anything that we did not have paid for, not free ?

 

A few pages back, we had the Cola analogy... if you buy a box of coke and the market is giving you a free glass on top, then that is a free gift. You cannot get that glass, unless you buy the coke, but you did not pay for the glass, you pay for the coke. Maybe a week later, you pay the exact same ammount of money and you not get a glass.

 

You pay your subscription for being able to play and nothing more. You did not pay your subscription, to be given an extra for 4th of July. You are not paying your subscription for getting any kind of veteran reward.

 

You do not like your free gift, fine, but you did not pay for it, it was a gift, if you like it or not.

 

And I did not say "thanks" for the CC either. It was nice to get it, but not special enough for me to write even that single word. Last time I got free glasses when buying beer, I did say thanks (okay, that was cause the lady pointed out to me, that I had forgotten to take my free glasses).

 

But on here, noone ever says thanks. Regardless what it is, people are compaining for something that they are given for free... and if someone does dare to make a "thank you" thread, they are called names such as "brown noser" or "biodrone". And such people want to feel apreciated? really?

Edited July 9, 2013 by JPryde

[Sindorin]

Personally, I could care less. I enjoyed the bonus and I'm not an elitist. It's a game, not a right.