ZahirS Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Exar Kun would die by Vader saber is they ever go into lightsaber combat Edited May 4, 2013 by ZahirS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Exar Kun would die by Vader saber is they ever go into lightsaber combat Vader's lightsaber feats are quite poor, even in the movie G canon. Compare his fight against Maul and old Obi Wan, I doubt his lightsaber skill is better than EP III Anakin, his force technique is greatly improved for sure. Edited May 4, 2013 by Slowpokeking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Exar Kun is an ancient proper sith lord with a wide range of abilities,not a depressed lumb of flesh warrior type, back up by cybernetics.You should compare Exar Kun to Palpatine,not to Vader. Exar Kun wins vs Jaina Solo(lol), and Vader both Edited May 4, 2013 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saremun Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Darth vadar is nothing, just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 *snip* So Kun was beaten by rank amateurs? Mara Jade, Kyle Katarn, a young Jacen Solo, the spirit of Luke Skywalker, the spirit of Vodo-Siosk Baas and around fifty students with amazing potential were all rank amateurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Exar Kun is an ancient proper sith lord with a wide range of abilities,not a depressed lumb of flesh warrior type, back up by cybernetics.You should compare Exar Kun to Palpatine,not to Vader. Exar Kun wins vs Jaina Solo(lol), and Vader both What? LOL hell no. It took thousands of Jedi's power to seal Kun off, and even Luke require others' help to beat him, that clearly put him over Vader. You are speaking of the spirit of Kun, I am speaking of when Kun was still alive. Which in this scenario he is blood and flesh, if he was his spirit then this would be a complete stomp in Kun's favor and a spite thread. All we have to go by with Kun in his body, regarding his feats is his feats from when he was alive. Which his dueling feats are minimal, and his force feats aside from his Force Blasts and ritual ones are minimal in combat. If were just gonna start speculating Kun's power in his hypothetical body, then this thread is pointless because he was never shown doing anything dueling wise, or force wise in a new body. Edited May 4, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 You are speaking of the spirit of Kun, I am speaking of when Kun was still alive. Which in this scenario he is blood and flesh, if he was his spirit then this would be a complete stomp in Kun's favor and a spite thread. All we have to go by with Kun in his body, regarding his feats is his feats from when he was alive. Which his dueling feats are minimal, and his force feats aside from his Force Blasts and ritual ones are minimal in combat. If were just gonna start speculating Kun's power in his hypothetical body, then this thread is pointless because he was never shown doing anything dueling wise, or force wise in a new body. When Kun was alive he one shot Urr and Aleema, never lost a duel beside the plant master turning into a tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 Are people seriously claiming that Kun's duelling abilities weren't up to snuff just because he didn't have that many engagements? Was pretty hard for him to get any when the Jedi refused to enter into open combat with him, when the senate was being massacred the Jedi just stood and watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Are people seriously claiming that Kun's duelling abilities weren't up to snuff just because he didn't have that many engagements? Was pretty hard for him to get any when the Jedi refused to enter into open combat with him, when the senate was being massacred the Jedi just stood and watched. Not saying they aren't up to snuff, but...are we suppose to guess just how good Kun is aside from his very few fights? When Kun was alive he one shot Urr and Aleema, never lost a duel beside the plant master turning into a tree. I already went through Odan Urr, he wasn't really impressive he was more a librarian and his only fight that he had was against Kun. Aleema yes he did one shot her with a Force Blast, that is really the only thing Kun has above Vader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZahirS Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 And you guys aren't considering Jaina sword of the Jedi, she could even counter Exar Kun spirit if it came to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 And you guys aren't considering Jaina sword of the Jedi, she could even counter Exar Kun spirit if it came to that. Are you actually claiming that Jaina by herself can defeat the spirit of Kun when it took Baas, Luke, Katarn, Mara Jade, Jacen and nearly 50 very promising students? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarfieldJL Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Are you actually claiming that Jaina by herself can defeat the spirit of Kun when it took Baas, Luke, Katarn, Mara Jade, Jacen and nearly 50 very promising students? Uh Kyle Katarn wasn't there for taking down Exar Kun's ghost... Plus Jacen and Jaina solo were only 2 to 3 years old... Top that off it was only like a dozen trainees when they took down Exar Kun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 Uh Kyle Katarn wasn't there for taking down Exar Kun's ghost... Plus Jacen and Jaina solo were only 2 to 3 years old... Top that off it was only like a dozen trainees when they took down Exar Kun... I am talking the entire rise of Kun, it took all of them to face him off. I also never claimed Jacen was older. Please don't claim that is was a bunch of kids either, most of them were top padawans or knights trained to varying degrees by Skywalker himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 4, 2013 Author Share Posted May 4, 2013 Just for the sake of anybody who wants an actual EU comparison of Vader and Kun, here is a pretty damn good description of them: I will also try to find a decent easy to watch video on Jaina Solo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 As said....Kun's greatest thing over Vader is his Force Blasts, however that video overlooks some of Vader's other Force Powers such as Alter Environment, Force Barrier/Absorb/Deflection, Saber throw, Force Speed and so on. Kun's Force Blasts could do the trick against Vader, if he isn't able to dodge them or defend against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaedusz Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) As said....Kun's greatest thing over Vader is his Force Blasts, however that video overlooks some of Vader's other Force Powers such as Alter Environment, Force Barrier/Absorb/Deflection, Saber throw, Force Speed and so on. Kun's Force Blasts could do the trick against Vader, if he isn't able to dodge them or defend against them. Except those abilities are basic and every sith worth mentioning has them and can defend against them.especially saber throw. All in all Exar Kun is big time sith lord and sith magic practitioner ,while Vader is a warrior type,whose force abilities are hampered for reasons many times mentioned.That alone gives Kun the edge. Edited May 4, 2013 by Kaedusz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 (edited) Except those abilities are basic and every sith worth mentioning has them and can defend against them.especially saber throw. All in all Exar Kun is big time sith lord and sith magic practitioner ,while Vader is a warrior type,whose force abilities are hampered for reasons many times mentioned.That alone gives Kun the edge. Saber throw yes can be defended against, however Kun hasn't faced anyone who has had the other abilities at their disposal. In fact, he hasn't faced anyone other then Vodo and Ulic that gave him remotely any challenge cause other Jedi just didn't wanna even try. That is really why he was undefeated, cause he faced 2 people with any skill, others just didn't wanna even do anything, Vader meanwhile has fought for years against a number of opponents. Edited May 4, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurbere Posted May 4, 2013 Share Posted May 4, 2013 Except those abilities are basic and every sith worth mentioning has them and can defend against them.especially saber throw. All in all Exar Kun is big time sith lord and sith magic practitioner ,while Vader is a warrior type,whose force abilities are hampered for reasons many times mentioned.That alone gives Kun the edge. Please give me a list of Sith that have used Alter Environment. I doubt it is as wide spread as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 I already went through Odan Urr, he wasn't really impressive he was more a librarian and his only fight that he had was against Kun. Aleema yes he did one shot her with a Force Blast, that is really the only thing Kun has above Vader. He's the head of the Jedi Order, showed incredible skill on battle mediation and sever Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpokeking Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 Saber throw yes can be defended against, however Kun hasn't faced anyone who has had the other abilities at their disposal. In fact, he hasn't faced anyone other then Vodo and Ulic that gave him remotely any challenge cause other Jedi just didn't wanna even try. That is really why he was undefeated, cause he faced 2 people with any skill, others just didn't wanna even do anything, Vader meanwhile has fought for years against a number of opponents. He killed head of the Jedi order with one shot, and you are calling him not facing any challenge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 He killed head of the Jedi order with one shot, and you are calling him not facing any challenge? Odan wasn't the head of the Jedi Order, he was the Keeper of Antiquities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 5, 2013 Author Share Posted May 5, 2013 That is really why he was undefeated, cause he faced 2 people with any skill, others just didn't wanna even do anything, Vader meanwhile has fought for years against a number of opponents. Sorry but this is totally out of order, so because the Jedi were too scared to face him is the real reason he was undefeated? that simply means the Jedi knew how outmatched they were by comparison, his power is reflected in the impression he left behind, he was made out as the measuring stick for duellists where the Sith were concerned and those who survived to the Jedi Civil War had the clear impression that Darths Revan and Malak weren't in the same league of power as Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) Sorry but this is totally out of order, so because the Jedi were too scared to face him is the real reason he was undefeated? that simply means the Jedi knew how outmatched they were by comparison, his power is reflected in the impression he left behind, he was made out as the measuring stick for duellists where the Sith were concerned and those who survived to the Jedi Civil War had the clear impression that Darths Revan and Malak weren't in the same league of power as Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma. That is what I mean, those Jedi were outmatched by him. Its not like they couldn't have trained or enhanced their skills, and actually you know...put forth the effort at least to try and kill Kun. But instead they just rolled over and did nothing....in fact, Kun for all we know could have slipped up in his saber combat if no one challenged his skills. If he was a spirit for 4,000 years how do we even know he'll be able to even fight as good as he once did with his lightsaber, on top of that having no one to challenge him after fighting Vodo and Ulic? Just because he was unchallenged at that time, doesn't mean he wouldn't be defeated at some point later on by someone. I don't give two ***** how well trained someone is, if said person has no one to challenge them for that long of time their skill is going to deteriorate. Edited May 5, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKulvax Posted May 5, 2013 Author Share Posted May 5, 2013 That is what I mean, those Jedi were outmatched by him. Its not like they couldn't have trained or enhanced their skills, and actually you know...put forth the effort at least to try and kill Kun. But instead they just rolled over and did nothing....in fact, Kun for all we know could have slipped up in his saber combat if no one challenged his skills. If he was a spirit for 4,000 years how do we even know he'll be able to even fight as good as he once did with his lightsaber, on top of that having no one to challenge him after fighting Vodo and Ulic? Except we know for a fact that he was far more powerful by the time of the Praxeum, he only grew in power, which speaks as a testament to his lasting power even after death almost all Sith spirits end up deteriorating in power and become easily warded against, whereas Kun did the total opposite, when he truly awoke the whole of Yavin started to grow greatly in dark power. Simply put, guessing that such and such would happen to him is a debate for another time, we are going by what we know and going off of the assumption that Kun DID rebuild his own body and returned from spirit form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfninjajedi Posted May 5, 2013 Share Posted May 5, 2013 (edited) Except we know for a fact that he was far more powerful by the time of the Praxeum, he only grew in power, which speaks as a testament to his lasting power even after death almost all Sith spirits end up deteriorating in power and become easily warded against, whereas Kun did the total opposite, when he truly awoke the whole of Yavin started to grow greatly in dark power. Simply put, guessing that such and such would happen to him is a debate for another time, we are going by what we know and going off of the assumption that Kun DID rebuild his own body and returned from spirit form. Ok but going by off of what we know....he really has only fought 2 opponents with any degree of skill. His TK feats are minimal and his Force Blasts, are the only thing that he holds above Vader. He may have grown in power...but what does that even mean? For all we know, that growth could mean it only prolonged his staying power as a spirit compared to other Sith that just were forgotten. If were really gonna start going into speculation, when already we were pushing the boundaries of having Kun in a hypothetical body and now were gonna speculate his power he has within his new body. Then I am done with this thread, speculation just causes headaches for this sorta thing. I can be pushed as far as, his TK could be stronger (but even as a spirit he only showed to be moving objects/people, something which Vader has done before) as well as his Force Blasts...which really...only his Force Blasts is really the only thing he would have over Vader. But anyway am done with this thread, if were not gonna go by actual feats and just gonna go into speculation. Edited May 5, 2013 by Wolfninjajedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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