Exar Kun vs Darth Vader vs Jaina Solo

[Slowpokeking]

Or if he gets serious, and Luke is the strongest Force user by canon. You must remember he was using Dun Moch, against Star Killer and Luke. And it even states, in the novels, that he was being cautious when facing his old master. Maul clone, who died? The clone did. Exar Kun only faced some Jedi Masters whereas Vader killed HUNDREDs of Knights, Padawans, Masters, and even younglings.

 

Kun couldn't kill list:

1. Ulic

2. Alema Keeto

3.Luke

4. Ikrit, was a Jedi on Yavin for MANY years.

 

Dooku was able to use Dun Moch to bring Anakin back from rampage, why couldn't Vader do so?

 

The clone got killed because Vader caught him with surprise, before that Vader was already beaten.

 

Kun only fought Ulic with one lightsaber, and he one shot Aleema, if Ulic was not here he would have killed her easily.

 

Even Luke require others' help to go against Kun.

[ZahirS]

Jaina would probably win, because she faced more powerful threats than Exar Kun maybe Vader if you consider Caedus more powerful than Vader.

 

Depends in which timeline they are facing eath other it its their prime, then Jaina has it for the win

[Slowpokeking]

Jaina would probably win, because she faced more powerful threats than Exar Kun maybe Vader if you consider Caedus more powerful than Vader.

 

Depends in which timeline they are facing eath other it its their prime, then Jaina has it for the win

 

It took Luke, his padawan and the spirit of Master Baas to totally defeat Kun.

[ZahirS]

It took Luke, his padawan and the spirit of Master Baas to totally defeat Kun.

 

Luke at the begning of the the New jedi Order, Jaina is part of the new jedi order padawans which are even more skilled than Yoda or other jedi.

 

Exar Kun might give problems to Vader but doubt has power to overwhelm Jaina

[Slowpokeking]

Luke at the begning of the the New jedi Order, Jaina is part of the new jedi order padawans which are even more skilled than Yoda or other jedi.

 

Exar Kun might give problems to Vader but doubt has power to overwhelm Jaina

 

There is no proof showed Jaina being more powerful than Luke in JA trilogy. There is also no feats of Jaina being stronger than either Kun or JA Luke.

[ZahirS]

There is no proof showed Jaina being more powerful than Luke in JA trilogy. There is also no feats of Jaina being stronger than either Kun or JA Luke.

 

Yea there is, she knows shatterpoint technique not even JA luke knew it at the time.

[BradTheImpaler]

I have this feeling that if Vader knew who Jaina really was, Kun would be out of the picture sooner or later. Discounting how their relation and how it could maybe affect Vader's behaviour the way Luke's did at least on some level...

 

Vader would definitely win against either Exar Kun or Jaina one on one, and I doubt Jaina or Exar would tag team to bring down Vader.

 

After he lost so much power and was put in that suit, Vader had to learn to maximize any advantage he could get. Jaina had to learn this, too, in a different way. Both Jaina and Vader also have experience in pain tolerance probably beyond anything Exar Kun had to experience, so they'd have an advantage there as well. I'd need to learn more about Exar Kun's fighting style, and I know he was very powerful. Still, I think it's pretty clear he'd be the one who does not belong in this context. Between Jaina and Vader, Vader wins hands down.

 

If, somehow, Vader was a tag-teamed target, I think he would probably end up dead, but I don't see it happening that way, and individually Vader wins.

[BradTheImpaler]

Yea there is, she knows shatterpoint technique not even JA luke knew it at the time.

 

Shatterpoint is useful, but it doesn't make her more powerful than Luke.

[GarfieldJL]

Yea there is, she knows shatterpoint technique not even JA luke knew it at the time.

 

You do realize Luke essentially taught Jaina Shatterpoint...

 

Anyways, I think this fight would be between Darth Vader and Jaina, particularly if Vader finds out Jaina is his granddaughter...

 

Vader appears to take it rather personally when someone starts trying to kill family members (especially when he knows they are family members), see his blasting Xizor into oblivion and his tossing the Emperor down the shaft...

 

Exar Kun is extremely pompous which Darth Vader would honestly find incredibly annoying.

 

Summation Darth Vader has a choice kill the pompous Exar Kun, or kill his granddaughter... He's going to choose to kill off Exar Kun.

 

Jaina Solo has a choice to kill off Exar Kun or her grandfather... Chances are she'd go to take down Exar Kun.

 

After they slice Exar Kun into so many pieces there is no way he can come back, I see this fight turning into a toss-up.

[Slowpokeking]

If we use JA and EP VI Luke to compare, clearly Kun cause much more trouble than Vader did. And unlike Vader, Kun only lost 1v1 in one fight, against that plant master after he turned into a tree.

[ZahirS]

if this scenario is 1v1v1 or everyone for themselves Jaina wins. why?

 

Jaina at her peak, has already surpassed ROTJ luke and Vader, she is only less powerful than GM luke that makes her the second msot powerful jedi of all time.

 

I see this battle going:

 

Exar Kun feels the dark presence of Vader can considers him a greater threat than Jaina, Vader counterattacks and brutally overwhelms Kun to the point the acinet sith lord uses all kinds of sith sorcery on the Sith lord enough to distract him for a time, at that moment Jaina enters and quickly disarms kun then enages Vader and eventually defeats him next she severes kun and vader connection the force rendering them easy for her to decide which one to defeat completely.

Edited May 2, 2013 by ZahirS

[Slowpokeking]

Vader doesn't instantly , if this scenario is 1v1v1 or everyone for themselves Jaina wins. why?

 

Jaina at her peak, has already surpassed ROTJ luke and Vader, she is only less powerful than GM luke that makes her the second msot powerful jedi of all time.

 

I see this battle going:

 

Exar Kun feels the dark presence of Vader can considers him a greater threat than Jaina, Vader counterattacks and brutally overwhelms Kun to the point the acinet sith lord uses all kinds of sith sorcery on the Sith lord enough to distract him for a time, at that moment Jaina enters and quickly disarms kun then enages Vader and eventually defeats him next she severes kun and vader connection the force rendering them easy for her to decide which one to defeat completely.

 

What? Vader got owned by Maul clone and SK, what could he do to defeat Kun?

 

His lightsaber skill is inferior than Maul, he also didn't use the Force to freeze an entire senate and fight at the same time like Kun did.

[Aurbere]

This is a tough one to call, and Garfield brings up an interesting personality point. However, I would like to bring up one thing regarding that. I think Jaina may be conflicted fighting Vader. He's her grandfather, so she may not want to engage him right away, or she may want to go after him due to his actions as Darth Vader.

 

Either way, I think she would go after Kun first, and then face Vader. Don't know how it would go down then.

 

However, I also think Exar Kun is someone to watch out for. His Force Blasts are extremely powerful, and he has experience in the art of Sith Alchemy and Sith Magic (having studied the teachings of Naga Sadow). He's also tremondously skilled with the lightsaber, but it's very clear to me that his skills with the lightsaber don't stand up to Vader and Jaina in that realm. Not to say he can't hold his own, but I don't think he could defeat them in straight up lightsaber combat. Hence his use of Force Blasts.

 

I'll think on this a little more and post back my complete feelings on the matter (mind's a bit fuzzy now )

[GarfieldJL]

This is a tough one to call, and Garfield brings up an interesting personality point. However, I would like to bring up one thing regarding that. I think Jaina may be conflicted fighting Vader. He's her grandfather, so she may not want to engage him right away, or she may want to go after him due to his actions as Darth Vader.

 

Either way, I think she would go after Kun first, and then face Vader. Don't know how it would go down then.

 

However, I also think Exar Kun is someone to watch out for. His Force Blasts are extremely powerful, and he has experience in the art of Sith Alchemy and Sith Magic (having studied the teachings of Naga Sadow). He's also tremondously skilled with the lightsaber, but it's very clear to me that his skills with the lightsaber don't stand up to Vader and Jaina in that realm. Not to say he can't hold his own, but I don't think he could defeat them in straight up lightsaber combat. Hence his use of Force Blasts.

 

I'll think on this a little more and post back my complete feelings on the matter (mind's a bit fuzzy now )

 

I actually think Exar Kun will likely be facing Jaina and Vader at the same time, since they are more apt to kill Exar Kun first and then have it out.

 

Then Vader will be trying to turn Jaina to the Darkside and Jaina is trying to turn her grandfather back to the lightside.

[LadyKulvax]

I actually think Exar Kun will likely be facing Jaina and Vader at the same time, since they are more apt to kill Exar Kun first and then have it out.

 

Then Vader will be trying to turn Jaina to the Darkside and Jaina is trying to turn her grandfather back to the lightside.

 

Yeh I can totally see Jaina teaming up with her Sith Lord of a grandfather, like seriously if she killed her own brother for turning Sith I see no reason Vader would get special treatment.

 

In-fact I would wager Jaina would be focused more on killing Vader than Kun, due to how fervently she was training and focused on killing her brother, how many times did she totally ignore other major events to focus on Darth Caedus? so many times that it shows a clear desire to remove the disdain that her family line has due to the Sith Lords in her family.

 

I also think Kun's immense skill with Niman and his entirely unpredictable fighting style makes him a lot more dangerous jsut because with normal battles, when you see a fighting style, you can plan accordingly, where as Kun doesn't even have a fighting style, which is the beauty of Niman, it's very much the jack-of-all-trades style.

 

Very similar to Sidious, which was why Sidious so easily killed Kolar, Tiin and Fisto, they were using predictable fighting styles well known to the Sith and Jedi, Sidious however used an ambidextrous fighting style which randomly and unpredictably changed as a fight wore on, it made it nearly impossible to fight back.

 

It took Windu's VERY select traits, Yoda's immense command of the force and the combined power of Luke and Leia to put up a duel against Sidious, because he was that damn unpredictable.

 

It is similar to Shaak Ti's fighting style she is incredibly unorthodox and very confusing to fight, something Marek expresses in their battle.

 

This is why I think it's going to be a lot harder to face a duellist such as this with a specialised weapon that has not been seen before or since Kun's usage of it.

 

Throw in his blasts, repulse and flight abilities and you all of a sudden have somebody a lot more difficult to fight than you'd think.

Edited May 2, 2013 by LadyKulvax

[ZahirS]

Yeh I can totally see Jaina teaming up with her Sith Lord of a grandfather, like seriously if she killed her own brother for turning Sith I see no reason Vader would get special treatment.

 

In-fact I would wager Jaina would be focused more on killing Vader than Kun, due to how fervently she was training and focused on killing her brother, how many times did she totally ignore other major events to focus on Darth Caedus? so many times that it shows a clear desire to remove the disdain that her family line has due to the Sith Lords in her family.

 

lol, I mean common! she would have learned then from Luke that Vader could be redeemed

 

She definetly sides with Vader vs Kun

Edited May 2, 2013 by ZahirS

[LadyKulvax]

lol, I mean common! she would have learned then from Luke that Vader could be redeemed

 

She definetly sides with Vader vs Kun

She also believed the same of Caedus, didn't stop her from immolating him and killing him, she had a very obvious distrust of Sith the entire series AND afterwards during the Lost Tribe battles.

 

Simply put, no, there is not going to be double teaming, give whatever excuse you like, this is a three way battle for a reason, I put in Jaina as the wild card because of how different her abilities are by comparison.

[ZahirS]

She also believed the same of Caedus, didn't stop her from immolating him and killing him, she had a very obvious distrust of Sith the entire series AND afterwards during the Lost Tribe battles.

 

Simply put, no, there is not going to be double teaming, give whatever excuse you like, this is a three way battle for a reason, I put in Jaina as the wild card because of how different her abilities are by comparison.

 

She only killed Caedus because she had to, so there is pleny of reasons for teaming sorry.

 

even if there is no teaming, Jaina could just do severe force connection to both Vader and Kun, disarming and defeat them just as easy

[LadyKulvax]

even if there is no teaming, Jaina could just do severe force connection to both Vader and Kun, disarming and defeat them just as easy

 

She doesn't even know the technique, how would she do such a thing?

[ZahirS]

She knows severe force power, she used its mirror version "see the Vong signature" through the force essentially the vong are severed force entities

[darthnamel]

There is no proof showed Jaina being more powerful than Luke in JA trilogy. There is also no feats of Jaina being stronger than either Kun or JA Luke.

 

And there is no actual evidence suggesting that Kun is stronger than Vader. And that whole mind manipulation of the entire senate is nothing, atleast compared to Palpatine's use when burying the Luysankya. While I like Kun, and disagree with Jensaarai's versus video between them, I will admit he has some skill, but only with that Sith Amulet he kept using.

 

Edit:

Also consider that Palpatine had about 19 years of training Vader as a Sith, whereas Kun had less actual training. And Vader is frontline Sith whereas Kun is a kill here and there. Vader's armor also has a Sith Amulet, and resistance the VOID of space, being crushed, stabbed, shocked, shot, and even beat a clone of himself. I am sorry Vader's kill streak is just too much compared to Kun's. I mean Kun had Padawan's kill their Masters rather than kill them himself. Kun is great, like a Saturday morning cartoon villain made in the early to late 90's.

Edited May 2, 2013 by darthnamel
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[mefit]

Jaina Solo

Powers:

 

Telekinesis

Forcelighting (Although not a master in it , she has used it )

ForceChoke Defense (Was able to break her Brothers Force Choke , against maybe not a master in it)

HealingTrance

Adept Jedi Mind Trick (Although she was able to wipe the memories of people during the Yuuzhan Vong War)

 

Shatterpoint (*Though she felt she wasn't the equal of Jacen in terms of Force powers due to his prolonged study, she thought she could surprise him, and proved herself able to match even his impressive skills when the time came. Also during the war, Solo learned the shatterpoint technique from Luke Skywalker") Taken from WIki

 

Other skills

FIreArms (Sniper Rifle being used on Darth Caedus once)

Lightsaber unknown ( Caedus described it as Conservative with brutal aggressiveness )

 

 

I used Wookieepedia for this because I cannot seem to find her in any of my Guides atm , while we can say Wookieepedia might not be 100% accurate in other fights on this forums people have linked Wookieepedia , I see no reason why we cannot use it here .

 

Fact is she beat a her brother who stood toe to toe for a little while with EU Jedi God Luke and Jaina killed Darth Caedus whos powers and skills were great enough to where he could atleast give Luke a little fight .

 

Already pointed out earlier in this fight thread that Vader upon learning of Jaina being his grandchild would likely refuse to fight her and would likely go into defensive mode to protect her . He will have no twist of thinking when it comes to protecting her from Exar Kun .

Vader has a greater loyalty and a instinct to protect his love ones , reason he went to the darkside to begin with. Reason he eventually died aswell .

 

Exar Kun in the time of Luke Skywalker was """ONLY""" a threat to Padawans not Jedi Masters nor Knights .......... given way too much credit in this fight .

Exar Kun is nowhere on the level of Palpetine , the most powerful Sithlord ever .

 

Jaina wins this by Team up even if not on purpose , while we can question if she would last one on one with Exar Kun or not , we cannot question Vader's love for his family as he has proven time and time again .

How Vader ends in this is debatable but it would likely be by Redeem and Jaina wins by default .

 

Exar Kun , most powerful Sithlord of his day in a time when Lightsaber skills were few and barely out the time where Jedi had to use batteries strapped to them to give their lightsabers power .

Exar Kun was truly ahead of his time but the Jedi are not the same past ROTJ nor were they in the GoldenAge .

 

Jaina killed the most powerful sithlord of her day , the murderer of Mary Jade Skywalker . That should say leaps and bounds of her skill and power alone . Her timeline is shared with Near God Luke Skywalker who can do just about anything with little thought in it and Abeloth .

 

Only real threat Kun had besides a full out assault by Jedi was Ulic Qel-Droma .

Kun's only recent feats was his attack and control of Padawans .................... Padawans ......................

 

Jaina Wins regardless

Edited May 2, 2013 by mefit

[mefit]

This is a tough one to call, and Garfield brings up an interesting personality point. However, I would like to bring up one thing regarding that. I think Jaina may be conflicted fighting Vader. He's her grandfather, so she may not want to engage him right away, or she may want to go after him due to his actions as Darth Vader.

 

Either way, I think she would go after Kun first, and then face Vader. Don't know how it would go down then.

 

However, I also think Exar Kun is someone to watch out for. His Force Blasts are extremely powerful, and he has experience in the art of Sith Alchemy and Sith Magic (having studied the teachings of Naga Sadow). He's also tremondously skilled with the lightsaber, but it's very clear to me that his skills with the lightsaber don't stand up to Vader and Jaina in that realm. Not to say he can't hold his own, but I don't think he could defeat them in straight up lightsaber combat. Hence his use of Force Blasts.

 

Kun's Lightsaber combat and skills were new for his time , a double bladed lightsaber was unheard of . I mean the Jedi were not too long before Kun using Lightsabers that depended on Battery Packs .

 

To compare Kun to Maul is a disservice to Maul .

Maul used a Double Blade Lightsaber but was more capable with a single blade . Not to mention Maul was Trained Personally by the Greatest Sith to EVER LIVE Darth Sidious.

 

(Earlier Poster said Maul Defeated Vader but if I remember correctly that fight was a "WhatIf" Comic like fight and even though Vader was bested by Saber Duel he won in the end .

Stating to Maul's Question " I hate everything thing , how can this be" (Not a word by word quote)

and Vader Replied

"I hate everything and myself" (Not a word by word quote)

 

The comic is in a box not organized in my basement and I would rather not have to dig it up.

 

Vader killed many Jedi and only lost to a very few who were all likely light years more powerful and skilled over anything of Kun's day .

Starkiller defeating Vader is more Canon than Kun will ever be no matter how much people hate Galen . Lucas was apart of making Galen and was more approving of Galen than anything in the EU . Its likely Galen would have defeated Kun no matter how you tell it .

I am using Galen as a model for Jaina in this fight right or wrong , not that they share really anything at all but a direct connection with Vader in some point.

Galen was not even related to Anakin but due to Vader's training Galen became one of the greats , in the EU Luke has past his father in all ways and he himself says Jaina is the Future of the Jedi .

 

Just saying you cannot argue with EU Luke , hes already won that fight before you even said a word .

Edited May 2, 2013 by mefit

[LadyKulvax]

I think Kun's abilities are being way too under-rated here, there are many sources that give a clear sign that he was FAR more powerful than anyone else throughout the Old Sith Wars.

 

Also the claim that Kun as a spirit could only effect padawans is hogwash, he knocked Luke SKywalker into a coma, disintegrated a Jedi Knight and it took the combined power of Skywalker, Baas and all the students to banish him.

[GarfieldJL]

I think Kun's abilities are being way too under-rated here, there are many sources that give a clear sign that he was FAR more powerful than anyone else throughout the Old Sith Wars.

 

Also the claim that Kun as a spirit could only effect padawans is hogwash, he knocked Luke SKywalker into a coma, disintegrated a Jedi Knight and it took the combined power of Skywalker, Baas and all the students to banish him.

 

He also was using Kyp Durron's powers to augment his own... He wanted Kyp Durron to kill Luke Skywalker, but he couldn't push Kyp enough to actually do it, so he spent the next several weeks trying to finish the job and failed each time.

 

Exar Kun probably wouldn't have been able to pull off putting Luke in a coma without Kyp Durron as a power boost.