Kaggath Series: Darth Sidious vs Sith Emperor

[ReiKai]

You keep saying "different tech", however we've long since established that tech doesn't really change. Neither, for that matter, does the training that SpecForce figures go through. It's all the same. And I think you forget that SpecForce teams in SWTOR consisted of specialists in different fiends, from armaments, to explosives, hacking and infiltration experts. To which Cipher Agents were the best at infiltration. Plus you had Operatives that had personal stealth fields.

[Trixdope]

lol anything past Return of the jedi doesn't exist to me. And lucas would agree since he stated he wouldn't want the story to continue past ep.6

 

all that is is some dragon ball z marvel super hero bull where everybodys op as hell and can do anything. that's not star wars......

 

 

so I see it as Vitiate who has proven himself in combat in all his known fights. Against a guy who had to kill his master in HIS SLEEP. Then Got WTFPWNED on by Mace Windu (in lightsaber combat which you guys say sideous is so amazing at) and then finally picked up by a 1 handed dying guy and thrown down a shaft to his death.

 

 

 

hmmmmmmm I think ima go with VITIATE lmao Hideous is so overrated its not even funny.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Trixdope

[Ausstig]

This fight is a little difference, for one they won't appear in the tournament because they are simply too powerful, and secondly its the grand finally - so I thought I'd up the anti here. And besides, in the scale of things - how promiment is a few Moffs in comparison to the galaxies greatest Sith Lords?

 

We also need to really consider the importance of having a sith army - Sidious has few if any weapons to defend against the full might of a Sith - apart from himself and sheer firepower.

 

EDIT: People have mentioned Dark Troopers, Shadow Guard, etc. but how do they match up in terms of numbers and power?

 

Sidious had; Emperors hands (more then two), Inquisitors and other darkside users. So Sith are not the game breaker people think they are for the SE.

 

I give it to GE, because go read Dark Empire and all the crazy Sith stuff he does there. Sidious > Sith Emperor.

[MasterMe]

Sidious had; Emperors hands (more then two), Inquisitors and other darkside users. So Sith are not the game breaker people think they are for the SE.

 

I give it to GE, because go read Dark Empire and all the crazy Sith stuff he does there. Sidious > Sith Emperor.

 

The Sith are definately gonna make a difference. So what if Sidious has handful of Sith? Vitiate has thousands does he not?

[Ausstig]

The Sith are definately gonna make a difference. So what if Sidious has handful of Sith? Vitiate has thousands does he not?

 

Sidious 'Sith', wait do we include Lord Shadowspawn in Sidious's army?, will allow for force parity in certain engagements.T hink of it like 1940 France, the allies had a lot more tanks, a lot better in most cases, however these were spread though out their forces where as the Nazis had them concentrated, same thing here.

 

 

BUT all this talk of armies and fleets is immaterial Sidious greatest advantage, that Vitiate has little understanding, politics, Palps can convince Sith to join him, he could use revolts to tie down the SE forces, Vitiate has not used politics in the same way as Palps. And he has not wonder about these 'mundane affairs' for some time. Palps has more force power, a better armed force, a bigger industrial base and he is much more versed in political manipulation.

[MasterMe]

Let's look at what destroyed the Death Star: it was a force sensative. If it weren't for Luke Skywalker, the RA never would have won. Well guess what? The SE has thousands of force users. On top of that there fleet and leadership is very similar to that of the GE. In my opinion, this is how the advantages go:

 

One-on-One: Sidious

 

Overall Army: Vitiate

There armies are pretty much even except for... ya know... all those Sith Vitiate has at his disposal.

 

We cannot downplay the effectiveness of these Sith. The Sith will make the ground battles different for obvious reasons. They'll also change the space combat because they can get in fighters as welll. These guys are gonna be every where. I would also think that the SE's troops are slightly better then the GE's stromtroopers. Regardless, the Sith at Vitiate's disposal win him the war (imo).

[Beniboybling]

Remember everyone: SUPER WEAPONS ARE NOT ALLOWED. If they were these too powers would probably destroy the galaxy before they destroyed eachother...

 

The only 'superweapons' I will allow are the Executor and the Ascendant Spear

Really? An entire army plus any heavy equipment they have? Right....if that were true, then all the wars should have been won by the sith if all of them were that powerful.

There is a major factor you are forgetting here - Jedi. This pratically puts a Sith invasion force on par with a Republic force as they have Jedi to meet the Sith. However in this instance Sidious does not have such an advantage.

 

And don't forget everyone, the Sith Emperor has the Emperor's Guard

 

How does the Emperor's Guard match up against Shadow Troopers/Shadow Guard/Imperial Guard I wonder?

 

And the Executor vs Ascendant Spear?

 

Oh, and Vitiate gets the Dread Masters. But Sidious gets Mara Jade and anyone else other than those mentioned in the Ground Rules - unless there is an extremely epic player I am forgetting...

 

If in doubt about who is allowed and who isn't - ask yourself how does the individual compare to the main combatant. In this case Mara Jade and the Dread Masters are pretty small compared to Sidious and Vitiate.

Except Sidious could sleepwalk into the Citadel and kill pretty much everything in there.

Lets not overpower Sidious now. I'm afraid even he cannot do that. Sidious vs the Dark Council + Hundreds of Sith + the Emperor + Imperial Guard + Emperor's Wrath + Imperial Trooper + Angry Citizens = dead Sidious.

 

He could try and stealth is way in - but not only does he not know the way, the Emperor would probably sense him long before he arrived. And then he can just call on his Imperial Guard & co. to help him in the fight.

 

And I don't think we're giving the Strormtroopers enough credit - their abilities need to be evaluated in detail. (or in depth... wink wink nudge nudge )

 

It also might not be a bad idea to compare the Rebel fleet with the Sith Fleet and then look at something like the Battle of Endor to see how the Empire would fare.

Sidious 'Sith', wait do we include Lord Shadowspawn in Sidious's army?, will allow for force parity in certain engagements.

Yes he is allowed, only seems fair.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Beniboybling

[MasterMe]

Sidious 'Sith', wait do we include Lord Shadowspawn in Sidious's army?, will allow for force parity in certain engagements.T hink of it like 1940 France, the allies had a lot more tanks, a lot better in most cases, however these were spread though out their forces where as the Nazis had them concentrated, same thing here.

 

 

BUT all this talk of armies and fleets is immaterial Sidious greatest advantage, that Vitiate has little understanding, politics, Palps can convince Sith to join him, he could use revolts to tie down the SE forces, Vitiate has not used politics in the same way as Palps. And he has not wonder about these 'mundane affairs' for some time. Palps has more force power, a better armed force, a bigger industrial base and he is much more versed in political manipulation.

 

No. No.

 

You say that Vitiate has no understanding of polotics? Master Gnost-Dural would say differently.

- the guy has been at the head of an Empire for a thousand years

- his invasion plan INCLUDED corrupting several of the planet's governments in the mid-rim I think

 

So yeah... you're wrong.

 

If you're comparing force-users to tanks, well look at how one of these "tanks" was able to destroy the Death Star. Luke Skywalker did this without hardly any training. Are you saying he wasn't effective?

[Rayla_Felana]

I don't think anybody is taking in the fact that the Galactic Empire has an almost infinite manpool, they also have a FAR larger fleet, much bigger industry and they have better and bigger ships, as well as a more varied fleet, like the interdictor SDs that can stop you from jumping to hyperspace, they have a much more varied fighter force as well as a very specialised stormtrooper corp, which had specific armies to deal with specific types of terrain and environments, then they have far superior walkers.

 

All of this enhanced with galaxy wide Battle Meditation.

 

Also I would like to make a complaint, if the Sith Emperor is allowed his Emperor's Wrath, why isn't Palpatine allowed the original Emperor's wrath, if you will, I simply do not see the correlation between one having his and the other being denied his own.

 

The SE still has far more force users many of which are powerful Darths, not to mention the Dread Masters.

[Beniboybling]

Also I would like to make a complaint, if the Sith Emperor is allowed his Emperor's Wrath, why isn't Palpatine allowed the original Emperor's wrath, if you will, I simply do not see the correlation between one having his and the other being denied his own.

 

The SE still has far more force users many of which are powerful Darths, not to mention the Dread Masters.

Sidious did not have an 'Emperor's Wrath'. Unless you speak of Darth Vader, who was his apprentice and IMO far too prominent. His does have 80% of Sidious' strength after all - and if I allowed him I would have to allow Malgus and the Dark Council to fight etc.

 

Just because SE has more force users than the GE doesn't make it unfair. Its just an advantage that the SE has the GE does not, these factions are not equal and never will be - or there would be no winner.

[Rayla_Felana]

Sidious did not have an 'Emperor's Wrath'. Unless you speak of Darth Vader, who was his apprentice and IMO far too prominent. His does have 80% of Sidious' strength after all - and if I allowed him I would have to allow Malgus and the Dark Council to fight etc.

 

Just because SE has more force users than the GE doesn't make it unfair. Its just an advantage that the SE has the GE does not, these factions are not equal and never will be - or there would be no winner.

 

I think the Dread Masters and countless powerful Darths spread all over the galaxy is worth one Vader, but I am not asking you to change the rules, it just seems extremely unbalanced where force users are concerned, Sidious equals the Emperor and the Dark Council, with a mix of command and power, but he cannot fight in two places at once, nevermind countless other places.

 

I mean the SE has so many different powerful Darths I wouldn't know where to start, at least with Vader we have a limited counter for all those spread out Sith Lords.

 

Not to mention the Emperor's Wrath who is well known for single-handedly conquering planets.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Rayla_Felana

[Beniboybling]

I think the Dread Masters and countless powerful Darths spread all over the galaxy is worth one Vader, but I am not asking you to change the rules, it just seems extremely unbalanced where force users are concerned, Sidious equals the Emperor and the Dark Council, with a mix of command and power, but he cannot fight in two places at once, nevermind countless other places.

 

I mean the SE has so many different powerful Darths I wouldn't know where to start, at least with Vader we have a limited counter for all those spread out Sith Lords.

 

Not to mention the Emperor's Wrath who is well known for single-handedly conquering planets.

The rule isn't their to equalize power bases, but to ensure that characters that are almost or as powerful as the main combatant don't enter the fight. e.g. Grievous did not have Ventress because they are pratically equals - despite the fact the Malgus's Sith are more than worth one Ventress.

 

Scourge is pretty insignificant compared to the Emperor, who would also easily cow the Dread Masters. Same goes with all the other Sith in the Empire. Whereas Sidious would have his hands full defeating Vader. If I allowed Vader I'd have to allow Malgus and the Council as well. Seeing as Vader is second only to Sidious. Besides I've given Vader everyone apart from Vader and Thrawn, surely that's fair.

 

May I make it clear that the Council can only command/rule not fight - seeing as the Dark Council makes up the SE government.

[Wolfninjajedi]

You keep saying "different tech", however we've long since established that tech doesn't really change. Neither, for that matter, does the training that SpecForce figures go through. It's all the same. And I think you forget that SpecForce teams in SWTOR consisted of specialists in different fiends, from armaments, to explosives, hacking and infiltration experts. To which Cipher Agents were the best at infiltration. Plus you had Operatives that had personal stealth fields.

 

No tech does change, otherwise why does technology become outdated/obsolete? More to that no its not all the same for SF, and being that we have little to no information on Vitiate's SF then am going with Sidious's SF being that they have information extensively on what they all do and what they are equipped with. Your right their agents were good infiltrators, however the GE has infiltrators of their own.

 

How does the Emperor's Guard match up against Shadow Troopers/Shadow Guard/Imperial Guard I wonder?

 

How do they? Well...the Emperor's Guard and Imperial Guard are pretty much the same in terms of organization and what they do, in combat however I wanna lean more towards Sidious's guard given that they have actual information on them compared to Vitiate's but I won't rule out that they would be close anyway.

 

Against the Shadow/Soveregin Guards?....Ya they get the floor mopped with them, given that those two branches have the ability to use The Force to a degree and some were even trained as Dark Force Users.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[Beniboybling]

No tech does change, otherwise why does technology become outdated/obsolete? More to that no its not all the same for SF, and being that we have little to no information on Vitiate's SF then am going with Sidious's SF being that they have information extensively on what they all do and what they are equipped with. Your right their agents were good infiltrators, however the GE has infiltrators of their own.

We have plenty of information. May I also remind you of the Ground Rules:

 

Technology level is universal (unless considered archaic or advanced at the time): blaster fire, armouring, lightsabers etc. are all the same regardless of period, all that matters is size, quantity and power.

[ReiKai]

Sorry but we've been over this. Tech doesn't really change and any 'advancements' are so minute as to be unnoticeable. Wars had a tendency of destroying knowledge and scientific advancements and setting them back centuries, if not millennia. It was for that reason that so many had to find older blasters and tools just to relearn how everything worked ages ago so they could begin doing things better, again. This was evident in even Knight Errant, about a century before Darth Bane, where ships from the Mandalorian Wars were still in use.

 

You can say tech advanced. But it's backtracked. SWTOR, we have guys making regenerating cybernetics. G-Empire era, no such thing exists. SWTOR, S-Empire built the Sun Razors. G-Empire, forced to take scrap off Raxus Prime to build their fleet. And there's another thing. It's said one Star Destroyer can glass a planet in a number of hours. Same thing has been said about S-Empire capital ships in SWTOR, that it just takes one of them.

 

Plus, we all know from experience, that Storm Trooper armor towards the latter years of the G-Empire, was utterly worthless. When rocks, arrows and tiny furries can take them down, you know it's not that good.

 

Now, putting that out of the way. Concerning numbers. At the time, the S-Empire controlled half the known galaxy. G-Empire controlled nearly all of it. Neither empire controlled the Hutt Cartels or Huttspace, just made deals with them. I would say G-Empire's forces are two to three times more numerous than the S-Empires. This advantage, however, is quickly overcome by the sheer number of Force Users the S-Empire possesses. I actually don't feel Vader would make all that much difference. At first he could help win a few battles against teams lead by one or two Sith. But when it becomes known that he's stronger than the average Lord, the S=Empire will send in a small army of them to utterly overwhelm Vader.

 

Going through the SWTOR cinematics, it was quite evident that without the Jedi, Republic Forces (ie Troopers), would just get wiped out. I will give them props though. Pub Troopers in SWTOR are pretty bad***. Storm Troopers though? Fodder. The only good ones were the 501st that remained after the Clone wars.

[Wolfninjajedi]

We have plenty of information. May I also remind you of the Ground Rules:

 

Technology level is universal (unless considered archaic or advanced at the time): blaster fire, armouring, lightsabers etc. are all the same regardless of period, all that matters is size, quantity and power.

 

Yes I know the rules, was just merely stating that technology did advance. But where is this information on Vitiate's SF? Cause I can hardly find anything on them, compared to the GE's SF outside of gameplay.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[MasterMe]

I don't think anybody is taking in the fact that the Galactic Empire has an almost infinite manpool, they also have a FAR larger fleet, much bigger industry and they have better and bigger ships, as well as a more varied fleet, like the interdictor SDs that can stop you from jumping to hyperspace, they have a much more varied fighter force as well as a very specialised stormtrooper corp, which had specific armies to deal with specific types of terrain and environments, then they have far superior walkers.

 

All of this enhanced with galaxy wide Battle Meditation.

 

Also I would like to make a complaint, if the Sith Emperor is allowed his Emperor's Wrath, why isn't Palpatine allowed the original Emperor's wrath, if you will, I simply do not see the correlation between one having his and the other being denied his own.

 

The SE still has far more force users many of which are powerful Darths, not to mention the Dread Masters.

 

I disagree when it comes to the comparitive quantity and quality of the ships. I realize that the GE controls nearly the entire galaxy, and I understand that their fleet may be slightly larger then the SE fleet, but I think they're more similar then you think. I mean, the SE has been building for a thousand years. This indicates that their fleet is of impressive size and quality.

 

You obviously know a TON about the GE fleet, and you've provided us with a lot of neat statistics. But you've made it out to seem that these statistics indicate that the GE fleet is better then the SE fleet. Just because we don't know a lot of specific details about the SE fleet doens't mean that the GE fleet is better. Does that make since?

 

And also: the Sith are gonna turn the tide of the space war as well because they make excellent pilots (like Luke) and, as we all know, force users make excellent leaders because they can see into the future. Sith will be leading the ships of the SE.

 

The Sith put everything in Vitiate's favor.

 

And IF we were to add Vader he wouldn't be able to counter ALL of the Sith 'cause if Vader is added, then the SE get's Maglus and the Dark Council gets to fight. Vader cannot counter Maglus + Dark Council + Dread Masters + all the other countless Sith. With that in mind, it's best just to leave Vader out of this.

 

So yea... I still think Vitiate wins.

Edited December 15, 2012 by MasterMe

[Beniboybling]

Yes I know the rules, was just merely stating that technology did advance. But where is this information on Vitiate's SF? Cause I can hardly find anything on them, compared to the GE's SF outside of gameplay.

OK - just making sure.

 

By 'SF' I assume you mean Sith Fleet? If yes then I did a comparison of a Star Destroyer compared to a Harrower dreadnought (basically the SE equivalent) based on the information we have.

Length

Harrower: 800 metres

Star Destroyer: 1600 metres

 

Troop Capactiy

Harrower: 7300

Star Destroyer: 9700

 

Starfighter/bomber Capacity

Harrower: 127 (35 shuttles)

Star Destroyer: 72 (23 shuttles)

 

Standard Armament:

Harrower: Turbolaser cannons, Quad-laser turrets, ion cannons, proton torpedo tubes, concussion missile launchers

Star Destroyer: ion cannons, turbolaser batteries, heavy turbolaser batteries, heavy ion cannons, tractor beams.

 

And rules dictate - both being of the same class - that the strength of their hulls are equal, as are deflector shields and power of their armaments.

 

But your right - concerning numbers we can only guess, large enough to wage war on a well equipped Republic however.

Edited December 15, 2012 by Beniboybling

[Wolfninjajedi]

OK - just making sure.

 

By 'SF' I assume you mean Sith Fleet? If yes then I did a comparison of a Star Destroyer compared to a Harrower dreadnought (basically the SE equivalent) based on the information we have.

 

 

And rules dictate - both being of the same class - that the strength of their hulls are equal, as are deflector shields and power of their armaments.

 

But your right - concerning numbers we can only guess, large enough to wage war on a well equipped Republic however.

 

I mean Special Forces. Compared to what is known of the GE's SF, we hardly know anything about the SE's aside from bits and pieces and the Agent storyline. But compared to that for the GE we have

 

1. Dark Troopers(and the variants)

 

2. Shadow Trooper

 

3. Terror Trooper

 

4. Shadow Guard

 

5. Sovereign Guard

 

6. EVO Trooper

 

7. Nightwhispers

 

8. Storm Commandos

 

etc, etc

Edited December 15, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi

[Rayla_Felana]

I disagree when it comes to the comparitive quantity and quality of the ships. I realize that the GE controls nearly the entire galaxy, and I understand that their fleet may be slightly larger then the SE fleet, but I think they're more similar then you think. I mean, the SE has been building for a thousand years. This indicates that their fleet is of impressive size and quality.

 

You obviously know a TON about the GE fleet, and you've provided us with a lot of neat statistics. But you've made it out to seem that these statistics indicate that the GE fleet is better then the SE fleet. Just because we don't know a lot of specific details about the SE fleet doens't mean that the GE fleet is better. Does that make since?

 

You realise 20,000 is the biggest fleet on record? we have no indication whatsoever that the SE had anything like those kinds of numbers, congratulations they had a thousand years to make ships, in their extremely small space, with a few places to construct ships, the empire had a galaxy sized shipyard, that was churning out SDs to the point where in the space of 19 years just one organization managed to build 20,000 Imperial I class Star Destroyers before it became obsolete and then managed in the few years before Endor to build around a quarter of that number in Imperial II class SDs which were much better, then the Interdictors, then the Super Star Destroyers which they had at least thirty of, they also had the most powerful assemblage of ships ever seen, the Death Squadron, that obliterated a fleet of 40 Rebel ships, with one SSD and six IMP II classes.

 

You also forget the fact that the Empire was just the Galactic Republic with a new name, the Republic had a thousand year strong infrastructure building period after the massive devastation that was the New Sith Wars.

 

Kuat Drive Yards became a monster corporation and the Republic during the Clone Wars managed to mount a fleet of 15,000 in the space of three years.

 

The Sith Empire had neither the means or the raw resources of the galaxy to build anything near that size of a fleet, the Republic fleet had a fleet of relatively the same size in the space of three hundred years, you use the thousand years number as if that means because they had more time = bigger fleet, this as I have proven, is flatly false.

[Aurbere]

People keep saying the army of Sith wins this for Vitiate. Ummm... No they don't. The GE has a near limitless pool of resources, the Shadow Guard, The Sovreign Protector, Dark Troopers and the 501st legion. The same legion of troops that slaughtered the Jedi at the Temple. With or without Vader that is no easy feat, no matter who was in there.

 

Not to mention the number of incredibly powerful ships the GE has at their command. Thousands of Star Destroyers, Carrick Cruisers, SSD's, and so on.

 

And another thing, the Dread Masters are almost completely useless here. Their fear powers are useless against Sidious' Battle Meditation and the fact that his soldiers are bound to his will. His dominating will will spur his soldiers to fight on. The only way for the SE to win is to kill Sidious. And obviously that is nearly impossible for the Sith forces.

[Rayla_Felana]

And rules dictate - both being of the same class - that the strength of their hulls are equal, as are deflector shields and power of their armaments.

 

But your right - concerning numbers we can only guess, large enough to wage war on a well equipped Republic however.

 

You fail to realise that even just the Imperial I class had more weapon placements than a Harrower class, the Imperial II class completely out-gunned it, with a massive 50 Heavy turbolasers and 50 regular turbolaser batteries, not to mention the rest, which was seen as 'excessive but effective' by the council of Moffs.

[Beniboybling]

You also forget the fact that the Empire was just the Galactic Republic with a new name, the Republic had a thousand year strong infrastructure building period after the massive devastation that was the New Sith Wars.

This point is not exactly valid I'm afraid. After the New Sith Wars the Republic decommissioned its military - so yes they had substantial infrastructure in terms of economy etc (although that likely peaked) but in terms of military their building period was 3 years - the Clone Wars.

 

This full scale war plunged the Republic into massive debt and economic turmoil - so in the end that infrastructure didn't amount to much as they were seriously threatened by a splinter organisation.

 

On the other hand the Galactic Republic of Great War had 300 years of peace to develop their military, and when the Sith turned up the outcome was the same, if not more devastating. If the Sith Empire had fought the Republic of the Clone Wars - the Republic would have lost.

People keep saying the army of Sith wins this for Vitiate. Ummm... No they don't. The GE has a near limitless pool of resources, the Shadow Guard, The Sovreign Protector, Dark Troopers and the 501st legion. The same legion of troops that slaughtered the Jedi at the Temple. With or without Vader that is no easy feat, no matter who was in there.

 

Not to mention the number of incredibly powerful ships the GE has at their command. Thousands of Star Destroyers, Carrick Cruisers, SSD's, and so on.

No one's disagreeing with you on that one. The point they are making is that numbers don't matter because 1 Sith = 100 stormtroopers (as a matter of opinion) and so the Sith overcome that disadvantage - seems a valid argument to me.

 

(as for the 501st at the Jedi Temple - another invalid argument I'm afraid. 501st > Average Jedi/Padawans however Sith & Sith Troopers > 501st.)

 

And another thing, the Dread Masters are almost completely useless here. Their fear powers are useless against Sidious' Battle Meditation and the fact that his soldiers are bound to his will. His dominating will will spur his soldiers to fight on. The only way for the SE to win is to kill Sidious. And obviously that is nearly impossible for the Sith forces.

I think people are seriously exaggerating Sidious' battle meditation here. By no means does in make you immune to the powers of the Dread Masters, who mastered the gosh darn Phobis devices! In fact, I'd go as far to say it didn't exist! (I'm playing Devil's advocate here) Fight me!

[Beniboybling]

You fail to realise that even just the Imperial I class had more weapon placements than a Harrower class, the Imperial II class completely out-gunned it, with a massive 50 Heavy turbolasers and 50 regular turbolaser batteries, not to mention the rest, which was seen as 'excessive but effective' by the council of Moffs.

You misunderstand. I meant that a SE turbolaser is equal to a GE turbolaser. Of course 50 Galactic Empire turbolasers > 5 Sith Empire turbolasers and vice versa. I'm just saying that a blast from a single GE turbolaser will do the same amount of damage as a blast from a SE turbolaser would.

[Wolfninjajedi]

You misunderstand. I meant that a SE turbolaser is equal to a GE turbolaser. Of course 50 Galactic Empire turbolasers > 5 Sith Empire turbolasers and vice versa. I'm just saying that a blast from a single GE turbolaser will do the same amount of damage as a blast from a SE turbolaser would.

 

I don't suppose that book, says what the Harrower Dreadnaughts are powered by?

Edited December 15, 2012 by Wolfninjajedi