STS World PVP - Hoth - Accounts threatened by GM

[Achyllis]

Another example of the amateur PvP staff at "work"?

[williambr]

You can't camp main medical droid, they have to respawn there over and over again. We got blasted for doing this on ilum, in the republics main base, we camped their landing shuttle(from their ship) and the med droid(the only option they had was to log off and quit till we where gone)

 

If thats not the case, than its bs, but if you trapped lowbies in an endless cycle of reviving at the same med droid in thier main base over and over again, than yeah, thats a crap move.

 

Don't get me wrong, Bioware needs to give a choice of med droid location, but till that happens its a no no.

 

And since Aurek base is their starport, I can imagine that the lowbies where trapped in a kill recycle with the only option to

a. revive at med center(where they are killed)

b. clone in place(at med center where 30 people are constantly stealth detecting so they just get killed again)

c. fleet pass(haha, it won't go off before your interupted till death)

d. shuttle pass(same thing, cant get it off when your getting destroyed at meddroid)

e. Log off(dude, no one should be forced into death cycle with no chance until they log out)

f. This is something I didn't know about but they can flag somehow to get out of pvp on a pvp server!!!! Not sure how, but their names turn blue), but I'm not sure if they can do this when their in a med droid kill cycle

Edited May 26, 2012 by williambr

[kiroshei]

Hey. Lets get real here. Bioware redeveloped the Hoth base due to large amounts of world pvp that was happening in them. I would dare say mostly on The Fatman. We had 40vs40 guild fights for months in that base. So they redesigned it and boosted some guards. If they really wanted to keep the imperials out all they had to do was make the turrets 1 shot you and the guards immediately respawn.

 

NOW HERE IS THE KICKER! I want you to all think about this real hard. The shuttle to Hoth for the republic and empire land you in a CONTESTED PVP AREA. That whole hangar is contested. You can be next to the quest givers, unflagged, safe & as soon as you run to the shuttle hangar you are FLAGGED FOR PVP.

 

So since that contested area is there why are they so worried about ganking still happening in that area? It makes no sense at all. They should just remove it altogether and make everything one shot you. We should've been allowed to continue our fights. As the carebear GM spoke up and threatened us all the republic 50s were gathering outside for another attack. What happened was downright hypocritical of a PVP server where they designed and allowed pvp to happen.

Edited May 26, 2012 by kiroshei

[Slider-DDO]

20 level 50 repubs show up to fight and leave.

 

WOW - you have that many people to PVP with on your server

[williambr]

I'm just curious, where you camping the lowbies at the med droid?

[kiroshei]

You can't camp main medical droid, they have to respawn there over and over again. We got blasted for doing this on ilum, in the republics main base, we camped their landing shuttle(from their ship) and the med droid(the only option they had was to log off and quit till we where gone)

 

If thats not the case, than its bs, but if you trapped lowbies in an endless cycle of reviving at the same med droid in thier main base over and over again, than yeah, thats a crap move.

 

Don't get me wrong, Bioware needs to give a choice of med droid location, but till that happens its a no no.

 

And since Aurek base is their starport, I can imagine that the lowbies where trapped in a kill recycle with the only option to

a. revive at med center(where they are killed)

b. clone in place(at med center where 30 people are constantly stealth detecting so they just get killed again)

c. fleet pass(haha, it won't go off before your interupted till death)

d. shuttle pass(same thing, cant get it off when your getting destroyed at meddroid)

e. Log off(dude, no one should be forced into death cycle with no chance until they log out)

f. This is something I didn't know about but they can flag somehow to get out of pvp on a pvp server!!!! Not sure how, but their names turn blue), but I'm not sure if they can do this when their in a med droid kill cycle

 

The medcenter for Aurek base in Hoth is outside the Aurek base. Next to tons of turrets. So any low level player that got caught in the crossfire can rez at the medcenter and go do something else unharmed. We stopped noone from advancing. When pvp happens if you can't handle it you go do something else until the pvp isn't happening no more. Thats how it is. You don't send GM's in to threaten multiple players accounts.

 

Now if a low level player was dumb enough to rez at the medcenter and then enter the base where the pvp was again....he died... Thats his own fault. He had a choice to move on and not enter the base at that time.

Edited May 26, 2012 by kiroshei

[williambr]

The medcenter for Aurek base in Hoth is outside the Aurek base. Next to tons of turrets. So any low level player that got caught in the crossfire can rez at the medcenter and go do something else unharmed. We stopped noone from advancing. When pvp happens if you can't handle it you go do something else until the pvp isn't happening no more. Thats how it is. You don't send GM's in to threaten multiple players accounts.

 

Woah bro, calm down, i was just curious, i was one of the hundred imperials sent a warning for camping the med droid on Ilum, in the base in the pvp section. Its because of us the turrets in Ilums pvp bases one shot now. We took them down, and the ones at the actual starport, they respawn fast, but with 20 of us, we can burn them down, trap pubs at the med droid all day long.

 

I'm just curious, cause its a major design flaw in my opinion. People should have a choice of where they clone at

[kiroshei]

Woah bro, calm down, i was just curious, i was one of the hundred imperials sent a warning for camping the med droid on Ilum, in the base in the pvp section. Its because of us the turrets in Ilums pvp bases one shot now. We took them down, and the ones at the actual starport, they respawn fast, but with 20 of us, we can burn them down, trap pubs at the med droid all day long.

 

I'm just curious, cause its a major design flaw in my opinion. People should have a choice of where they clone at

 

I am calm. lol. Not sure how you assumed otherwise. Lets just admit that not only are we the first pvp guild to bring out a GM into the game as a droid. We were threatened by that GM for doing what our server allows. If we were lieing about what we were doing rest assured Bioware will respond and tell you all we were lieing. However, they can't, because the logs show all this to be truth. Which raises the pvp community's eyebrows a little bit. With the exception of the few carebears who pick pvp servers to be with their friends or something lol.

[Stovokor]

Looks like U4-T2 needs a little bit of re-training.

 

^

amateur GM. embarrassing for Bioware if their staff can't understand PvP ruleset in MMO's.

[williambr]

I am calm. lol. Not sure how you assumed otherwise. Lets just admit that not only are we the first pvp guild to bring out a GM into the game as a droid. We were threatened by that GM for doing what our server allows. If we were lieing about what we were doing rest assured Bioware will respond and tell you all we were lieing. However, they can't, because the logs show all this to be truth. Which raises the pvp community's eyebrows a little bit. With the exception of the few carebears who pick pvp servers to be with their friends or something lol.

 

It just sounded like you assumed I was calling you guys a liar, when I was just curious. I'm an avid pvp'er and i think pvp should happen on pvp servers. I think the pvp servers show that they where truly designed as pve worlds and that "pvp" was a last minute fix to accomodate a playerbase that bioware doesn't really care about.

 

You can tell by stupid mistakes like respawning at the same med droid over and over again is not really a design that would work on a pvp server. Or, like us getting threatened to be banned for camping a republic base in the ilum pvp zone(old news, i know, but it still agitates me, why have a base in a pvp zone if you can't destroy it/camp it?)

[williambr]

This is what happened after the imperials over ran the base on ilum, the whole thing lasted for about an hour, but people tried to make it sound like it was hours, or 4 hours lol. We destroyed the turrets, camped the base for about an hour and got bored(I honestly didn't know that the republic players where having to log off)

 

http://torwars.com/2012/01/20/bioware-responds-to-ilum-pvp-abuses/

[Lunchboxxer]

I call BS on this whole post!

 

As a player from EGA on a PVP server.. This thread alludes to two things that I have never seen happen in this game:-

 

Open world PVP on a PVP server

In Game interaction from a BW employee

 

If it is actually true.. C'mon did you not at least try to take the ***** down?

 

lmaoo

[Bloodstealer]

Single player specialist designs first MMO but forgot to include the MMO... now we find they forgot the PV(P) in their PVP server selection.... next thing the sun and moon wont daily cycle on the planets ... oh wait they dont, really! Edited May 26, 2012 by Bloodstealer

[Aikadin]

I've done A LOT of defending towards this game, even down through the servers dying saying "it's fine blah blah". But after reading this it just reminds me of one thing, which is POAPS. Playing MMOs when people cried about being camped I would remember seeing in General chat POAPS on a regular basis. It sucked being griefed but when the tables turned it was hilarious. So yeah wow bioware I'm with the others on this one, official explanation GO!

 

POAPS!

[Leggomy]

Open PVP does not mean no rules do whatever you want. PVP servers are the worst for cheats, hacks and all out griefing. Ive even seen people in this thread bemoan the fact they cannot grief other players. Of course tho on these forums people will just blindly side with someone regardless of the facts. We have no idea except from the obviously biased source who started the article.

 

This is why they do not allow this kind of thread normally. The GM cannot come in explain what they were REALLY doing because he is bound by a privacy agreement. Personally I think you air your dirty laundry in public you give up your right to privacy. It is quite obvious something was going on besides world pvp to cause this. People do world pvp everyday and do not get a GM to come and ask them to stop what they are doing.

[SajmanPeetee]

WOW - you have that many people to PVP with on your server

 

Actually, Fatman is more like this.

 

20 Imps camp one of the bases somewhere

20 Reps show up to chase them away

50 more Imps show up

10 of us Reps stay and fight, the other 10 go cry in the corner

Edited May 26, 2012 by SajmanPeetee

[Bloodstealer]

Open PVP does not mean no rules do whatever you want. PVP servers are the worst for cheats, hacks and all out griefing. Ive even seen people in this thread bemoan the fact they cannot grief other players. Of course tho on these forums people will just blindly side with someone regardless of the facts. We have no idea except from the obviously biased source who started the article.

 

This is why they do not allow this kind of thread normally. The GM cannot come in explain what they were REALLY doing because he is bound by a privacy agreement. Personally I think you air your dirty laundry in public you give up your right to privacy. It is quite obvious something was going on besides world pvp to cause this. People do world pvp everyday and do not get a GM to come and ask them to stop what they are doing.

 

Maybe you missed that part where the OP and others have asked for Bioware to come and put us straight.... sure there are rules but without BW putting their 2pence worth into the discussion to clear up the ambiguos and somewhat clashing ruleset.. we can only assume its just a mess of their own doing and not the fault of the players trying to do what comes naturally on any PvP server I ever played on... and BTW I am not a PvP'er I roll on Pve servers but understand fully what to expect shoulf I dare to roll on one.... by its very nature you roll on it with an open mind that you are always a target!... not like it happens from the other factions perspective now does it!

[Maxkardinal]

Such massive ingection of aversion i had by reading this thread.

 

Dudes were trying to add something good in this game, something that developers have failed to deliver. The GM reaction is less obnoxious thatn some people's BS about breaking rules...

 

No matter how good the game could be, community of that kind will turn every bright idea in pile of steaming ****.

 

If you do not understand the player versus player consept, please stay inside your PvE corral.

[GrumpySwe]

Open PVP does not mean no rules do whatever you want. PVP servers are the worst for cheats, hacks and all out griefing. Ive even seen people in this thread bemoan the fact they cannot grief other players. Of course tho on these forums people will just blindly side with someone regardless of the facts. We have no idea except from the obviously biased source who started the article.

 

This is why they do not allow this kind of thread normally. The GM cannot come in explain what they were REALLY doing because he is bound by a privacy agreement. Personally I think you air your dirty laundry in public you give up your right to privacy. It is quite obvious something was going on besides world pvp to cause this. People do world pvp everyday and do not get a GM to come and ask them to stop what they are doing.

 

Pretty much this.

Also spawncamping is NOT your right just because its a pvp server, in most games spawn campers gets banned, why it should be different in MMO:s ive got no idea. Design flaws by BW does not give you free reign to act like little brats.

 

That said they should change the design so that invading a base doesn't mean your automatically spawncamping the only possible respawn.

Edited May 26, 2012 by GrumpySwe

[Leggomy]

Maybe you missed that part where the OP and others have asked for Bioware to come and put us straight.... sure there are rules but without BW putting their 2pence worth into the discussion to clear up the ambiguos and somewhat clashing ruleset.. we can only assume its just a mess of their own doing and not the fault of the players trying to do what comes naturally on any PvP server I ever played on... and BTW I am not a PvP'er I roll on Pve servers but understand fully what to expect shoulf I dare to roll on one.... by its very nature you roll on it with an open mind that you are always a target!... not like it happens from the other factions perspective now does it!

 

Maybe you missed the part where they cannot discuss actions against other players in a public place like the forums? Do you not think its odd this is the first time something like this has happened? Are you that gullible to believe anything you read on the internet as 100% factual?

[kiroshei]

Actually, Fatman is more like this.

 

20 Imps camp one of the bases somewhere

20 Reps show up to chase them away

50 more Imps show up

10 of us Reps stay and fight, the other 10 go cry in the corner

 

SO Not true!. After this debacle we went to The Black Hole where we knew the new unicorn pvp guild like to pvp pvers doing dailies. It went from 13v6 for us to 25v13 for them(which we still won but got pushed back once). Then when it finally evened out to 30+vs30+ we beat them down AGAIN and they all left immediately lol. Regardless though point being that the faction imbalance isn't as present as it was before since the faction imbalance youre speaking of was on ilum back when there were way more pvpers. We are pretty well even now in regards to open world fights if/when we are allowed to have them.

 

Maybe you missed the part where they cannot discuss actions against other players in a public place like the forums? Do you not think its odd this is the first time something like this has happened? Are you that gullible to believe anything you read on the internet as 100% factual?

 

No actions were taken and the threats were made in /say in front of other republic players. We had 12 people there to fight off the 20 repub that showed up just prior to all this. So they can discuss it. Nothing was done. Just open threats. Which is shown in the screenshot. He didnt say "stop calling players bad"...he said LEAVE the area. We were only threatened for being in the Hoth base. As soon as we left the base he stopped.

 

Oh and 14+ threads deleted so far for people being silly and not staying on topic.

Edited May 26, 2012 by kiroshei

[Ignicity]

Maybe you missed the part where they cannot discuss actions against other players in a public place like the forums? Do you not think its odd this is the first time something like this has happened? Are you that gullible to believe anything you read on the internet as 100% factual?

 

Are they permitted to discuss general PvP rules?

[Bloodstealer]

Pretty much this.

Also spawncamping is NOT your right just because its a pvp server, in most games spawn campers gets banned, why it should be different in MMO:s ive got no idea. Design flaws by BW does not give you free reign to act like little brats.

 

That said they should change the design so that invading a base doesn't mean your automatically spawncamping the only possible respawn.

 

Well as an avid PvE player (yes PvE) I say... ABSOLUTE BALLFLUFF!.... If you dont like it up ya then dont go playing with it..

I think Bioware now need to implement 2 things poste haste!

1 - When rolling a toon on any PvP server you are instantly sent to a training room where C3PO gives you a linquistic dressing down on the rules of Carebear County Crimes

2 - All PvP servers should be preeceded with "Carebears Beware!"

Edited May 26, 2012 by Bloodstealer

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[Goretzu]

Maybe you missed the part where they cannot discuss actions against other players in a public place like the forums? Do you not think its odd this is the first time something like this has happened? Are you that gullible to believe anything you read on the internet as 100% factual?

 

TBF a clear statement that PvPing in a PvP zone on a PvP server isn't a bannable offence, would go long way. As the GN seems to suggest it IS.